.. Afganistan 🤣... Wasn't the outcome of this anything than.. super-bad..
History could repeat itself here..
Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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History could repeat itself here..
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NATO rejects Ukraine no-fly zone, unhappy Zelenskiy says this means more bombing
NATO on Friday rejected Ukrainian calls to help it protect its skies from Russian missiles and warplanes, wary of being dragged into Moscow's war on its neighbour, but Europe promised more sanctions to punish Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Look, I get where Zelenskyy is coming from, but he had to know that enforcing a no-fly zone would almost certainly mean Russia launching a tactical nuke at his country right? It would also almost certainly spark WW3 since the first NATO plane shot down would mean the entire alliance is called into action.
Although with Russia targeting another nuclear power station, NATO might have to get involved since it could very well spell an ecology disaster for Europe.
As much as it pains me to agree with Lindsey Graham, he's absolutely right in saying someone needs to take Putin out. I mean I get why him saying it so publically was bad, but I still don't think he's wrong.
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Who would back Russia if WWIII started?
I think Putin could go nuclear anyway. He might get frustrated with the lack of progress, and escalate things.
I think Putin could go nuclear anyway. He might get frustrated with the lack of progress, and escalate things.
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China and North Korea could be convinced to align with Putin
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Antiair zone should be last thing they do, there is some room for economic sanctions. Kill count isnt that much, covid in Russia, for example, killing more(700-800 per day).
Obviously, after stopping every contact they should start to use military.
China is last country that would take part in war with other big countries. Right now its have most benefits from situation, in its interests to support status quo.
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I have to say that I do feel for the majority of the Russian people who have nothing to do with this invasion yet are suffering the consequences of being under the rule of a war-bent leader. The west’s war of cancel culture happening upon Russian is not going to sway the mind of a tyrant set on war. Cancelling the minutia of daily life might go some way to enraging the Russian peoples against their government for the restrictions imposed but ultimately it’s the innocent that suffer the fall out of the corporate black list that’s taking place now.
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Perhaps. I can’t judge from any experience. I just know that while the Ukrainian people are suffering from the fallout of war, the Russian people are suffering the repercussions of their war machine whether they agree with it or not.
It’s always the civilians that suffer on either side of a conflict. It’s them that I feel sympathy for the most.
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Only thing you, as democratic states citizens, should do is dont be racist. Don't treat russian speaking or RF citizens as monsters. First of all, Kharkiv, Mariupol and half of Ukraine are russian speaking or bilingual. Least of all they deserve this. Second, always keep in mind that in RF ~50% dont want this war.
As for economic sanctions - as much as you can, as fast as you can to stop it.
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I live in a conservative country with nothing related to the Ukraine/ Russia situation going on. I’m an impartial observer that wants the best for humanity.
There’s nothing democratic about my place as an immigrant in a country in which I don’t have the right to vote.
I want all government leaders to get on MDMA and have a huge orgy so they forget about war.
Edit: in regards to racism - many of the western Russians and Ukrainians are the same race as I. I’ve never in my life found grounds for racism. Xenophobia, however, I do admit to being competent of. Still, when I comes to Northern Europe I don’t think there’s too much of a culture difference to make it noteworthy.
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Ukraine wouldn't be defeated without using tactical nukes. They, basically, won this war day one.
Putin cant stop. He lost war, cornered and dangerous. Thing will depend on two things - protest and elites. When costs of being Putins friends outperform benefits he will fall.
Two possible scenarios:
1) use of nukes, unpredictable reaction of world. Full isolation possibly or intervention. Small chance of nuclear war.
2) overturn.
Any way world will be very different afterwards.
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Sadly, the possibility of tactical usage of Nuclear in Ukraine seems now to be the consensus among analysts here in France, should Russian casualties become unsustainable. According to a former KGB spy (who knew Putin back then) living in France, and who still has contacts in Russia, some official there think that should Putin decides to nuke something, it would be in the west of Ukraine with a "small" (10x Hiroshima) tactical bomb. The idea being to stun the world without triggering automatic response since US, France and UK has a last resort policy of firing with nuclear (even if under attack with conventional weapons on its own soil, France policy is to not respond with nuclear).
I wonder how China could came favorably in the equation before it happens.
And be ready to move to next level of chaos delivery to the world.
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I'm not seeing why China would bother with this theoretical alliance. Already it seems like China has pointedly not given Putin the full-throated defense he was expecting and it's not even been two weeks; despite alleged advanced knowledge of what he was going to do and alleged advisement towards Putin for when he should do it. What do they get out of it, long term? Locking themselves in with a regime that's deeply unpopular internationally, whose leadership probably has a limited remaining shelf life and whose economy is a small fraction of their own anyway? Exclusive access to natural resources whose popularity are rapidly falling out of favor?
Yeah, China wants its own influence to be felt on the world stage and the CCP loves to do some saber rattling of its own, but China wants growth. China doesn't get growth by becoming the exclusive trading partner with Russia if it leads to basically any blowback against them from any other country; and to be honest all of the stuff Xi has done since Russia invaded has looked like the country going through the motions of what you'd expect to be said (America is to blame blah blah blah) but not actually swooping in to rescue Russia. It seems more like he's giving Putin enough rope to hang himself rather than actually having any real interest in bailing him out; and if anything Putin acting so arrogantly and transparently about what he wanted has only hurts China's seeming goals to accomplish similar things.
Yeah, China wants its own influence to be felt on the world stage and the CCP loves to do some saber rattling of its own, but China wants growth. China doesn't get growth by becoming the exclusive trading partner with Russia if it leads to basically any blowback against them from any other country; and to be honest all of the stuff Xi has done since Russia invaded has looked like the country going through the motions of what you'd expect to be said (America is to blame blah blah blah) but not actually swooping in to rescue Russia. It seems more like he's giving Putin enough rope to hang himself rather than actually having any real interest in bailing him out; and if anything Putin acting so arrogantly and transparently about what he wanted has only hurts China's seeming goals to accomplish similar things.
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Former National Security Advisor John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term
"I thought he put his foot over it, but at least he didn't withdraw then," said Bolton, who wrote in his memoir about Trump's consideration of withdrawing from NATO in 2018. "In a second Trump term, I think he may well have withdrawn from NATO. And I think Putin was waiting for that."
Bolton's latest comments come just days after he told Newsmax that Trump "barely knew where Ukraine was," pushing back on a host who said the former president had been "tough on Russia."
"It was hard to have discussions on geostrategic issues when the president's main interest was getting... Rudy Giuliani in to see [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky so they could go find Hillary Clinton's computer server. "
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Rest in peace An225 😢
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Foreign minister accuses Russian soldiers of rape in Ukrainian cities
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said on Friday that Russian soldiers had committed rape in Ukrainian cities.
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My grandpa's cousin was living in Ukraine for a number of years prior to this invasion and has fled to Poland:
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Whenever Putin insists on "de-nazification" of Ukraine in his speeches, I can't help but wonder if there's been a mistranslation somewhere. Maybe he meant to say "re-nazification" instead, what with him sending those Wagner fellas in Ukraine and all.
In any case, I'm appalled by my country's reluctance to call Russia out. But it's not that surprising, since ANC always enjoyed a cosy relationship with the Soviets and Russia for decades.
In any case, I'm appalled by my country's reluctance to call Russia out. But it's not that surprising, since ANC always enjoyed a cosy relationship with the Soviets and Russia for decades.
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Apparently, Russian troops ignored the temporary cease-fire, which was agreed to happen today along the evacuation corridor set up for civilians to get out of Mariupol.
Because of this, of course, the evacuation had to be canceled and civilians continue to be trapped, in a place without food, water and electricity.
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Because of this, of course, the evacuation had to be canceled and civilians continue to be trapped, in a place without food, water and electricity.
Zelenskyy, Biden speak following Putin’s escalation of tensions; Visa and Mastercard suspend operations in Russia
Putin’s latest rhetorical escalation of tensions came after an effort to evacuate civilians from Mariupol was suspended when Ukraine said Russian forces violated a temporary cease-fire.
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MS products working, but not buyable. Same with Nintendo, Steam, Activision. Afaik, GT7 was refunded for russians.
Translation from KGB-language ? Just revert meaning and it be fine. Actually, he such a liar, I dont get how anybody still believe him. Russian internet is full of records when he saying something official and then few years doing completely opposite. Like changing of Constitution, balloting for another year, capturing Crimea, changing pension age and other bull****.
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