Russian Invasion of Ukraine

  • Thread starter Rage Racer
  • 10,159 comments
  • 616,363 views
How does Russia get back into the global economy with Putin remaining in charge? It's an honest question, and I don't see how it happens. Russia is not going to back down here, it would make them look entirely too weak, and they really wanted to project strength here. I still believe they will have Ukraine, and an ongoing mess, and claim that it all went according to plan.

But in the long term, Putin obviously has no intention of stepping down, so how does Russia get into global trade and commerce again? I don't see it. This is where it looks like Russia is headed:

6iqdlya6n9161.png
 
Danoff
How does Russia get back into the global economy with Putin remaining in charge? It's an honest question, and I don't see how it happens. Russia is not going to back down here, it would make them look entirely too weak, and they really wanted to project strength here. I still believe they will have Ukraine, and an ongoing mess, and claim that it all went according to plan.

But in the long term, Putin obviously has no intention of stepping down, so how does Russia get into global trade and commerce again? I don't see it. This is where it looks like Russia is headed:

6iqdlya6n9161.png
Click to expand...
I expect a peace agreement is in the works between Ukraine and Russia, one that is acceptable to both sides. If so, the war is over, the troops go home, and Putin retires from office. The man is obviously unwell, and his time left on Earth is short.
 
Blitz24
India is hedging their stance because they could not afford to completely cut off Russia. They are probably not going to utilize this extensively as this will hurt their ties with Western countries.
Click to expand...
Russia still supplies India with its military hardware.
 
Danoff
How does Russia get back into the global economy with Putin remaining in charge?
Click to expand...
It doesn't. Even if some sort of ceasefire is constructed, the damage to the Russian economy is already done and it's clear that Europe is going to work hard to get off its energy dependence on Russia. The best thing Russians can do now is to have one of their own Euromaidan moments where the population rises up to overthrow their corrupt government. With the right people in charge and with way less corruption, Russia could become an economic powerhouse.

Even if Putin is overthrown or assassinated, I can't see the West reducing sanctions anytime soon. Or if they do reduce the sanctions, several will still be in place designed to keep Russia in check.
 
Danoff
I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeriously doubt it.
Click to expand...
Ya the only way Putin "retires" is if he dies due to illness/old age or has a heart attack due to two bullets in the back of his head. He has to be at least somewhat paranoid that he's going to get canceled by someone in his inner circle or one of the oligarchs that are losing a fortune.
 
Ok, so I know I'm getting way ahead of myself here. But is this Putin's legacy? To have taken Russia exactly nowhere during his entire tenure? Sure, lots of progress was made for a bit, and then... it's all thrown in the garbage. They still have nukes though, which they did before Putin. The dude is going to be known for accomplishing nothing?
 
Putin is getting everything he's wanted. I'm not sure what news you guys are following, but you probably better put down the propaganda.

He's taken the port cities and has taken the entire Southern half of Ukraine. As far as these sanctions go, the Russian people aren't Western. They're used to misery and suffering. What's the old saying nothing brings the Russian people together like misery?

Putin is grabbing resources, land, oil, and will
get independence for the two Eastern Ukrainian states.

Meanwhile the Western Nations keep applying their sanctions that will only hurt themselves.

It's all talk while Ukraine people suffer.
 
Last edited:
At the moment all the western countries seem to be doing is applying sanctions. Anyway who gives a damn none of them will be here in 200 years time or so. I don't see the point of trying to get a point across to the people on here.

It's like me telling someone

''Mate, if you keep putting your hand out at that dog it'll keep biting you'' But they ignore my advice and continue to do so.

If you can't hear you'll feel. What comes around goes around. Think of how much oxygen humanity has wasted since time began.
 
Mark folsom
Putin is getting everything he's wanted. I'm not sure what news you guys are following, but you probably better put down the propaganda.

He's taken the port cities and has taken the entire Southern half of Ukraine. As far as these sanctions go, the Russian people aren't Western. They're used to misery and suffering. What's the old saying nothing brings the Russian people together like misery?

Putin is grabbing resources, land, oil, and will
get independence for the two Eastern Ukrainian states.

Meanwhile the Western Nations keep applying their sanctions that will only hurt themselves.

It's all talk while you crane suffers.
Click to expand...
You should put down the propaganda and probably stop using your speech-to-text feature as well. Putin has not gotten remotely close to what he wants and is now faced with the prospect of guerilla warfare in Kyiv. Sure, he captured a few cities but he massively miscalculated the fact that most Ukrainians REALLY DON'T want to be a part of Novyy Russia.
 
Last edited:
Mark folsom
Putin is grabbing resources, land, oil, and will
Click to expand...
Yea, because Russia was doing so amazingly with its land and oil, but needed just a tiny bit more to make it an unstoppable powerhouse!

Give me a break. They're having to flatten Ukraine and creating a resistance both within Ukraine and within Russia. Ukraine's economic output, no matter what, is demolished for a long time. Meanwhile Russia's currency is tanking, and their trade is being absolutely gutted. Their economic outlooks is... not something to be envied.

Edit:

To everyone, think carefully about this. How profitable is Ukraine going to be for the foreseeable future? Best economic case scenario here is that somehow Russia fails to take over and they spend years and gobs of resources rebuilding infrastructure. Worst case economic scenario is that Russia takes over and it is a resistance hell hole for years to come. But I'm sure somehow it's going to make Russia a fortune! Somehow.
 
Last edited:
HarrisHawk
If I was a moderator this thread would be deleted by now. I'd also ban everyone.

But that's me. Damn I wish I was a moderator.
Click to expand...
Yeah, that's never going to happen if you think people should be banned for discussing current events in a current events forum.

I mean, there's some considerable irony in the fact that you're pontificating about banning rational discussion while making the least useful posts in the thread.

Go find another site.
 
Blitz24
India is hedging their stance because they could not afford to completely cut off Russia. They are probably not going to utilize this extensively as this will hurt their ties with Western countries.
Click to expand...
Fortunately, for the past several years India has been moving closer and closer to the West at a rapid pace. Economically they might suffer from this but militarily I think they'll be just fine. They might have various arms deals with Russia but they're aligned with the West and would fight with Western strategy and tactics. It would actually be fun to watch Russian weapons be used by a competent force lol.

 
Last edited:
Mark folsom
Yeah nothing to worry about. Putin's military is third grade.
Click to expand...
I understand the experienced troops and commanders were assigned to the southern axis, with the thrust on Kiev being something of a feint for the younger conscripts.
 
Mark folsom
Yeah nothing to worry about
Click to expand...
The only people that have said anything like "noting to worry about" were those that fell for Putin's lie that he wouldn't invade.

Not sure what you pushing back against... I'm thinking it might no be long before this damnation of western opinion turns into laying the blame for everything at Biden's feet though.
 
Mark folsom
Yeah nothing to worry about. Putin's military is third grade.
Click to expand...
What's that map supposed to tell us? And I thought you were against "Western propaganda"? The New York Times is undoubtedly a Western news source.

But yes, the Russian military is really terrible considering Russia claims its a military superpower. And really, you can have the biggest military in the world but if your logistics are poor, that military is going to be useless. Not being able to feed soldiers and fuel/repair vehicles shows just how terrible the Russian strategy is. The fact that they are resulting in engaging civilians and civilian structures instead of engaging actual military targets shows just how desperate and feckless the force really is. And the fact that the Ukrainian military is holding its own, despite being vastly outnumbered and outgunned shows just what proper training and supply lines can do.

Armchair generals think firepower wins wars, actual generals know its logistics.
 
How many of these do you think we need to ship to Poland before Russia starts negotiating in good faith?

524f41b9-55e8-4d24-a2e5-1008429eef13
 

Similar threads

JMoney
Just War Theory
2 3 4
Replies
100
Views
6K
JMoney
JMoney
ROAD_DOGG33J
British Hacker to be Extradited to the U.S.
Replies
3
Views
556
Kylehnat
Kylehnat
MatskiMonk
  • Poll
Your Top 5 'James Bond' Films (+ No Time to Die/Votes Changeable)
2
Replies
52
Views
5K
Clark
Clark
ledhed
Transcript of Bushes speech
Replies
6
Views
759
milefile
milefile
xXKingJoshXx
GTPlanet's "The Blacklist" Appreciation Thread
2 3
Replies
79
Views
14K
JR98
JR98

Latest Posts

Back