Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Dotini
Video makes clear why Putin demands energy payment in rubles, and why doing so is financially disadvantageous for Europe and the US.
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Would be good if he starts the embargo -- basically all of Europe is in favor of gas and oil embargo except Germany, Netherlands and Hungary. Our government can't overcome ifself to do it -- good old German Angst kicking in.
But i doubt that Putin would cut off gas transit -- it would hit him as hard economically as Europe. Let's wait and see...

And for your enjoyment here is another Lukaschenka meme:
 
The problem with Putin doing the nuclear (sorry) option with gas is that once that happens he has no leverage over any of Europe over anything. If they can come up with a way to reasonably ration their way through the spring with outside assistance, what other stick can Putin shake at them? And how will he replace the nearly-half-their-economy level of income that energy exports gives Russia if they turn it off and it doesn't sufficiently punish the EU immediately?



I assume he's going to go through with it anyway, but I've no reason to believe any of Europe is going to blink.
 
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Tornado
The problem with Putin doing the nuclear (sorry) option with gas is that once that happens he has no leverage over any of Europe over anything. If they can come up with a way to reasonably ration their way through the spring with outside assistance, what other stick can Putin shake at them? And how will he replace the nearly-half-their-economy level of income that energy exports gives Russia if they turn it off and it doesn't sufficiently punish the EU immediately?
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Well, he can go the literal nuclear option but he'd have no way to back out without looking immensely foolish.
 
Tornado
...how will he replace the nearly-half-their-economy level of income that energy exports gives Russia if they turn it off...?
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The situation now is, he has already lost the income, since the payments in Euros and and dollars are frozen upon arrival by sanctions and are unusable to him. At the moment, he is giving away billions in gas to Europe for free. It makes no sense not to turn off the gas flow.
 
One difficult thing to deal with in modern warfare is cyberattacks. They're not well understood by the public, they're not readily visible, and operations are generally kept secret. All we hear in the news is that Russia or whoever is launching cyberattacks against us but we never hear about our responses. From a media reporting standpoint, it seems as though we're just absorbing these attacks with no retaliation.



I'm sure that's not what is happening, I'm sure our experts are doing what it necessary and appropriate, but I honestly do feel like the US's cyber forces need to improve their public relations. Honestly, just feed us the propaganda to make us feel like we're winning lol. I'll eat it up.

Either that, or respond to cyberattacks physically by eliminating Russia's ability to carry them out, and by that I mean attack their network and power infrastructure. If they don't have computers, or they don't have power to run them, they can't commit cyberattacks. Many Americans are tired of hearing about how we're being attacked but not hearing about how we're responding.

In other news, European countries are still refusing to pay Russia in Rubles. Europe can't allow Russia to bolster their currency and economy by trying to bring Rubles back into Russia. But I suppose if negotiations are on the table, a fair trade would be to offer payment in Rubles pending transfer of leased airplanes back to their home countries... No, that's too risky in my opinion. It's plausible that those planes have been ill-maintained and effectively sabotaged by this point. Russia can keep them, and we'll keep their worthless money.
 
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Keef
One difficult thing to deal with in modern warfare is cyberattacks. They're not well understood by the public, they're not readily visible, and operations are generally kept secret. All we hear in the news is that Russia or whoever is launching cyberattacks against us but we never hear about our responses. From a media reporting standpoint, it seems as though we're just absorbing these attacks with no retaliation.



I'm sure that's not what is happening, I'm sure our experts are doing what it necessary and appropriate, but I honestly do feel like the US's cyber forces need to improve their public relations. Honestly, just feed us the propaganda to make us feel like we're winning lol. I'll eat it up.

Either that, or respond to cyberattacks physically by eliminating Russia's ability to carry them out, and by that I mean attack their network and power infrastructure. If they don't have computers, or they don't have power to run them, they can't commit cyberattacks. Many Americans are tired of hearing about how we're being attacked but not hearing about how we're responding.
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Russia has already been "knocking" on our security networks to see if they can get an attack in. The time to prepare for a future attack was yesterday.
 
With technology and a professional force can help small countries defend themselves against bigger ones.

I seen so many comments from Russians laughing at the Javelin, Nlaws and the Tb2 bayraktar drone.

Whats with the stupid cage thing on top of Russian tanks?
 
SestoScudo
Whats with the stupid cage thing on top of Russian tanks?
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It's called slat armor, and its been around quite a while, proving useful against mortars, low caliber Turkish drone-fired anti-tank guided missiles and older RPGs from the 70's and 80's. It's totally useless against Javelins which have a double or "tandem" warhead.
 
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Dotini
It's called slat armor, and its been around quite a while, proving useful against mortars, low caliber Turkish drone-fired anti-tank guided missiles and older RPGs from the 70's and 80'. It's totally useless against Javelins which have a double or "tandem" warhead.
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All it takes is to target the engine or ammo compartment to immobilise the tank.
 
That form of armour has been around since WW2.

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It's primarily for HE (high explosive) shells, HEAT (high explosive, anti-tank) shells and ATGMs which rely on chemical energy instead of kinetic energy for penetration. The idea is for the shell to explode away from the surface of the main armour, instead of exploding against it.

It makes sense why they would need something like that for top-down attacks from say, an apartment building. It does look funny though. :lol:
 
Tornado
So does this mean that the one from earlier in the week was a Ukrainian attack, or was it just an accident that inspired them?
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Doubtful. More like current attack is revenge for destroying Ukrainian fuel depots and munition depot detonation is an accident.
 
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inCloud
Doubtful. More like current attack is revenge for destroying Ukrainian fuel depots and munition depot detonation is an accident.
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Ukrainians risking two Mi-24 helicopters for a special operation and penetrate 30-40 km or even more in to Russia for a fuel base?
Or a Russian false-flag special operation to hinder peace talks that are held right now?

I can't find the street they are flying alongside.
 
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unit-one
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For discrediting our AA forces? I can't see any reason behind it. If Putin dont want to negotiate, he could just start another round of denazification bull**** talking.

Russian false flag operations typically consist of bombing shack in the middle of nowhere or UAZ from Soviet Union era, not setting oil depots on fire.
 
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inCloud
For discrediting our AA forces? I can't see any reason behind it. If Putin dont want to negotiate, he could just start another round of denazification bull**** talking.

Russian false flag operations typically consist of bombing shack in the middle of nowhere or UAZ from Soviet Union era, not setting oil depots on fire.
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Yeah... I don't know, I'm confused by this event. Ukrainian news in the morning just said that there was a fire in Belgorod fuel depo. It's almost evening now and I haven't seen any confirmation from the UA side that it was them.

In the mean time, Russian forces are leaving the outskirts of Kyiv (flag icons).
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unit-one
Ukrainians risking two Mi-24 helicopters for a special operation and penetrate 30-40 km or even more in to Russia for a fuel base?
Or a Russian false-flag special operation to hinder peace talks that are held right now?

I can't find the street they are flying alongside.
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No fuel - no tanks. Seems like a good target. I doubt it’s much more risky to cross the border into Russia than to attack Russian forces inside Ukraine. With a helicopter you can stay close to terrain and avoid radar detection pretty well.
 
eran0004
No fuel - no tanks. Seems like a good target. I doubt it’s much more risky to cross the border into Russia than to attack Russian forces inside Ukraine. With a helicopter you can stay close to terrain and avoid radar detection pretty well.
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Similar to the US's opening actions in the first Gulf War.

 
Ukraine doesn't take responsibility for heli attack. But Arestovich making wink wink.

Meanwhile, there are talks about oncologist(thyroid) constantly traveling with Putin.
 
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Keef
Would you mind posting the text? I don't know a subscription to Telegraph lol.

Regardless, that was quick. A lot quicker than I expected. Honestly I mostly expected people to fall ill but recover, possibly with long-term side effects that would be hard to trace.
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Radiation from the destroyed Chernobyl nuclear plant in Ukraine has reportedly killed one Russian soldier after his unit camped in a toxic area known as the Red Forest.

The soldier was part of a team that captured the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, 65 miles north of Kyiv, in the first days of the war.
They then occupied the 20-mile exclusion zone around the plant, where people are banned from living, dug trenches into radioactive mud and drove their trucks along dirt roads, kicking up radioactive dust.

Now ill and exhausted, they have retreated to Belarus.

"The Russian occupiers have left the Chernobyl nuclear power plant," said Ukraine's defence ministry. "Two key reasons: losses caused by the Ukrainian army and radiation exposure."

While the disaster of the nuclear power plant explosion at Chernobyl in 1986 is well documented in the West and was the subject of an award-winning BBC drama in 2019, it is relatively unknown in Russia.

It is unlikely that the Russian soldiers, mainly conscripts from the poorer fringes of Russia, would have known about the dark history of the abandoned power plant that they had been ordered to capture.
They did not even know that they were going to war when they were told to invade Ukraine on February 24. Their officers had told them that they were still on a military exercise and they were not issued with any radiation protection suits.

After capturing the nuclear power station, the Russian soldiers were ordered to camp in the wood, known locally as the Red Forest because of the colour it turned after soaking up radiation from the nuclear explosion.

Russian commanders may not have known about the wood's reputation as a radiation hotbed, or may not have cared.

Either way, it points yet again to poor planning and poor leadership within the Russian army. Its reputation for competence and as an effective modern fighting force has been ripped apart over the past five weeks of war in Ukraine, in which thousands of conscripts have been killed.

The Kremlin has tried to suppress news of the Russian army's casualties and military blunders. Many of the injured and dead soldiers from its failed assault on Kyiv are being treated in Gomel, a border town in Belarus, where doctors and nurses have previously told The Telegraph that they have been sworn to secrecy.
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