Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Scaff]

And I still don't buy it that Russia is a bigger menace to Europe, he did threaten a few EU countries in the context of the ongoing conflict and that's all, they're all supplying their enemy after all.

Utterly untrue, you are either spectacularly ignorant or naive.

The ongoing conflict started in January, at best you could argue for 2014 and the annexation of Crimea.

Russia invaded Georgia in 1991
Russia Invaded Georgia in 2008
Russia invaded Chechnia in 1994
Russia invaded Chechnia in 1999
Russia invaded Moldovia in 1992
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022

That's without listing the numerous Russian-controlled countries, conflicts Russia has involved itself in to further its influence (such as Syria), or the fact that Russia threatening both former USSR members and other countries it believes are historical 'Russian' well predates 2014 (particularly Sweden and Finland).

 

[inCloud]

Russia invaded Georgia in 1991
Russia Invaded Georgia in 2008
Russia invaded Moldovia in 1992

Peacemakers, in Georgia we even have peacemaker mandate from UN. Situation with Georgia and Moldova is little bit tricky because conflicts here started before those two countries became independent. Hard to say why Georgia and Moldova could be independent and Abhazia/Transdnistra can't.


It doesn't mean that Russia not creating puppet states.

Russia invaded Chechnia in 1994
Russia invaded Chechnia in 1999

You can't invade your own country. AFAIK, none countries recognize Ichkeria. Our army did horrible things to our own citizens.

 

[Carbonox]

To quote this again. Maybe I can't read or some of you can't. I posted data on the percentages of Russians on the disputed regions, nothing about spoken language statistics!
This does not address my argument in anyway, therefore it's a strawman.

Wonder how it turned out when a certain someone decided that Sudetenland, inhabited by all those Germans, existing outside of the German border was some cruel injustice that needed correction.

About the mass shooting of soldiers in Russia, a source claims that it happened after a Russian commander told some Muslim soldiers that this is a holy war and that Allah is a coward/weakling.

Wonder if Iran got the memo yet that this is what goes on in their beloved ally's armed forces.

 

[inCloud]

About the mass shooting of soldiers in Russia, a source claims that it happened after a Russian commander told some Muslim soldiers that this is a holy war and that Allah is a coward/weakling.

Also this source reporting 29 dead.

 

[unit-one]

Su-34 crashed in front of a building in Yeysk, Russia.

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108 Ukrainian female defenders are back from captivity, 37 of them are from Azovstal factory siege.

 

[Famine]

Su-34 crashed in front of a building in Yeysk, Russia.

Ouch. Under 2.5 miles from the end of the airport/airbase runway, and three-quarters of a mile from the sea.

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[inCloud]

Administrations of Moscow and Moscowskaya oblast reporting that mobilization in those regions over.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Su-34 crashed in front of a building in Yeysk, Russia.

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108 Ukrainian female defenders are back from captivity, 37 of them are from Azovstal factory siege.
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How many jets has Russia lost to accidents and/or friendly fire at this point? This is at least the second SU-34 lost to other than enemy fire...that's like $100m worth of oopsies.

 

[Exorcet]

How many jets has Russia lost to accidents and/or friendly fire at this point? This is at least the second SU-34 lost to other than enemy fire...that's like $100m worth of oopsies.

$100 million is probably closer to the cost of one plane rather than two. As far as loss rates, after I saw the video of a Su-25 crash in a formation takeoff I've wondered about how much training pilots are actually getting. Even before the war Russian flight hours were pretty low, I don't imagine they've improved in a war situation where you need replacement pilots. Russia might just be throwing planes and pilots in the air hoping that statistics leads to some reaching their targets.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

$100 million is probably closer to the cost of one plane rather than two. As far as loss rates, after I saw the video of a Su-25 crash in a formation takeoff I've wondered about how much training pilots are actually getting. Even before the war Russian flight hours were pretty low, I don't imagine they've improved in a war situation where you need replacement pilots. Russia might just be throwing planes and pilots in the air hoping that statistics leads to some reaching their targets.

I saw the Su-25 video. Any clue what went wrong? The plane appeared to roll over and the engine cut, but the pilot didn't appear to even attempt to correct it. Perhaps the hydraulics were lost?

 

[Exorcet]

I saw the Su-25 video. Any clue what went wrong? The plane appeared to roll over and the engine cut, but the pilot didn't appear to even attempt to correct it. Perhaps the hydraulics were lost?

The Su-25 isn't a very powerful plane and if you're flying close to another plane you need to account for the tip vortices produced by the wings. I'd guess the trailing plane ended up pulling too much angle of attack because of the low speed and possibly got caught in the wake of the leading plane, making the angle of attack issue worse and leading to a stall. So either the pilot was pulling too hard in the turn, was not cautious enough of the wake of lead plane, or both. At that speed and altitude, there would be no way to recover, the only thing the pilot could have done was eject when the plane was upright.

DCS has a highly detailed Su-25 flight model, you can actually recreate what happened in that simulator pretty easily.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Looks like another equipment malfunction.

 

[Brett]

All this criticism and no poopies!

 

[inCloud]

Su-34 crashed in front of a building in Yeysk, Russia.

13 dead. Malfunctions in our equipment are more dangerous to our civil population than our missile strikes to Ukrainian civil population.

 

[NotThePrez]

Isn't the Fullback a 2-seater aircraft? Any word on the co-pilot, or was there even one to begin with?

 

[eran0004]

Isn't the Fullback a 2-seater aircraft? Any word on the co-pilot, or was there even one to begin with?

I heard that both of them survived.

 

[inCloud]

none countries recognize Ichkeria

Upd. Today Ukrainian Rada recognized Ichkeria as temporary occupied by RF.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Upd. Today Ukrainian Rada recognized Ichkeria as temporary occupied by RF.

RF could not handle a third Chechen war while also fighting Ukraine. Maybe Georgia could join in as well.

 

[inCloud]

RF could not handle a third Chechen war while also fighting Ukraine. Maybe Georgia could join in as well.

Why would Chechnya participate in another war in first place? Why would Georgia participate in war?

 

[inCloud]

#BREAKING: the commander of the Russian forces in Ukraine Gen. Surovikin announces that Russia will organize "evacuations" of civilians from occupied city of Kherson in southern Ukraine.

Surovikin: further actions in relation to Kherson will depend on the emerging military-tactical situation, it is not easy, difficult decisions cannot be ruled out.

 

[Liquid]

The forced evictions, relocations and outright theft of people from Kherson has been going on for a few weeks now.

 

[Famine]

They should totally hold binding, independent referenda in those places, overseen by the UN, once all the "**** off Russia" voters have been removed. That'd be fair.

 

[Tornado]

Elon could mediate it.

 

[unit-one]

Occupants dismantled the Holodomor and political repressions monument in Mariupol while waging Holodomor 2.0 and political repressions.

"Not forgetting the tragedies of the past so that they will never happen again"
"To the victims of Holodomor and political repressions"

 

[Liquid]

Scum. Absolute ****ing scum.

 

[inCloud]

Martial law in temporary occupied territories.

 

[Dennisch]

Igor the Gurkin claims to be at the frontline with this picture, but it was geolocated to the Rostov region, 140km from the front.

 

[eran0004]

Igor the Gurkin claims to be at the frontline with this picture, but it was geolocated to the Rostov region, 140km from the front.

All is quiet 140 km from the western front.

 

[inCloud]

Igor the Gurkin claims to be at the frontline with this picture, but it was geolocated to the Rostov region, 140km from the front.

He didn't claim that he is near frontline, only that he became part of RUAF.

 

[unit-one]

"We didn't get those drones from Iran!"
"Don't look at those drones!"

Not sus at all.