Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Ah, the honor system.
I admit there are certain disadvantages but if the RF distributed the "bonus" through their paychecks and deducted operating costs the mobiks would end up owing them tons of money instead. Heyyy... there's an idea.
 
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I can't help but feel like Turkey is going to emerge from this conflict as the major winner. Already they seem to be dictating what happens in the black sea. Could Turkey replace Russia as the major player of Eastern Europe and Western Asia? With one foot in each, they have vastly more strategic territory (their country connects strong economic zones, unlike Russia's), good standing with just about everyone, and from the outside looking in, an apparently more diversified economy.
 
I can't help but feel like Turkey is going to emerge from this conflict as the major winner. Already they seem to be dictating what happens in the black sea. Could Turkey replace Russia as the major player of Eastern Europe and Western Asia? With one foot in each, they have vastly more strategic territory (their country connects strong economic zones, unlike Russia's), good standing with just about everyone, and from the outside looking in, an apparently more diversified economy.
They could also replace Russia as the problematic Eastern Europe dictatorship, which is not necessarily a good development.
 
I can't help but feel like Turkey is going to emerge from this conflict as the major winner. Already they seem to be dictating what happens in the black sea. Could Turkey replace Russia as the major player of Eastern Europe and Western Asia? With one foot in each, they have vastly more strategic territory (their country connects strong economic zones, unlike Russia's), good standing with just about everyone, and from the outside looking in, an apparently more diversified economy.
I seriously doubt it. I reckon Turkey is too much of a 'split personality' country to be a serious regional or global power, even though I don't think that is a bad thing at all. Being so varied means they are unlikely to be dominated by any single political, religious or autocratic doctrine for too long, and that's a good thing.

So when it comes to having any designs on being a dominant regional player, as is so often the case, Turkey may well find itself foiled.
 
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Could Turkey replace Russia as the major player of Eastern Europe
Poland+Ukraine will be replacement for RF here. I could even see some Union between central and eastern European countries in foreseeable future. Clearly, current EU doesn't play well enough for these countries.

Turkey will be bigger player in its region after RF fall.
 
I seriously doubt it. I reckon Turkey is too much of a 'split personality' country to be a serious regional or global power, even though I don't think that is a bad thing at all. Being so varied means they are unlikely to be dominated by any single political, religious or autocratic doctrine for too long, and that's a good thing.

So when it comes to having any designs on being a dominant regional player, as is so often the case, Turkey may well find itself foiled.
That may apply if you look at Turkey only in the period since it's been called Turkey. However, you only have to go back 104 years to the Ottoman empire to see that it could return to being a dominant player if circumstances dictated that. Dominant players often only emerge fully when there is a vacuum. And we haven't yet got to the point of a vacuum in respect of Russia yet (although the longer this war goes on in Ukraine, there seems to be a greater chance of a vacuum emerging).
 
Russia has always been Turkey's arch nemesis.

Russians came so close to Istanbul also took the Turks homeland of Central Asia in big chunks.

Now today Turks and Russians compete in the Balkans, Caucasus, Central Asia, North Africa and the Middle East.

They rarely cooperate unless its trade and tourism.

But the Bolsheviks did help the Turkish independance movement with guns and some funds because both had the same enemies the British and French. Bolsheviks helped out because they believed Ataturk would have turned Turkey into a communist or socalist state but that was not the case.
 
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I could even see some Union between central and eastern European countries in foreseeable future.
Currently, the V4 (Visegrad Four) of Slovakia, Poland, Czechia and Hungary is a loose cultural affiliation. If there was any change, this seems to be a likely base.
 
Russia has always been Turkey's arch nemesis.
And we could say this about almost any two countries in Europe. And nowadays they are in big Union with one currency and almost nonexistent borders.

Both countries should forget its imperialistic past and become something more about people happiness.

Currently, the V4 (Visegrad Four) of Slovakia, Poland, Czechia and Hungary is a loose cultural affiliation. If there was any change, this seems to be a likely base.
Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova and Baltic States could also participate. Maybe some Balkan countries.
 
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And we could say this about almost any two countries in Europe. And nowadays they are in big Union with one currency and almost nonexistent borders.

Both countries should forget its imperialistic past and become something more about people happiness.


Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova and Baltic States could also participate. Maybe some Balkan countries.
They could call it the Union of Several Slavic Republics and exclude Russia. That would really annoy Putin 🤔👍
 
And we could say this about almost any two countries in Europe. And nowadays they are in big Union with one currency and almost nonexistent borders.

Both countries should forget its imperialistic past and become something more about people happiness.


Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova and Baltic States could also participate. Maybe some Balkan countries.
The Turks and the Russians are too stubborn to put aside their imperial past.

Average citizen can get a long with each other. I never heard of Turks or Russians having any kind of hate for each other apart from ultra nationalists from both sides.

Both countries are pretty diverse and like a mosaic of cultures.
 
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At what point do Western nation escalate the situation to stamp it out for good? Apparently they've calculated that weathering this storm is the safer method and it probably is given how desperate and unpredictable Putin is. But like...this is war. This is going to cause massive harm to Germany in particular, and now Germany is going to ruin their economy further by introducing natural gas price caps which always backfire in unexpected ways.

When will it be time to solve the problem of Russia's leadership by force? It's not like NATO doesn't have the capability, and it's not like Russia isn't obviously attacking NATO via unconventional means right now.
 
When will it be time to solve the problem of Russia's leadership by force?
2014. But the second best time is likely today.

I know Russia has nuclear weapons, but the US doesn't spend nearly a trillion dollars a year on nothing. We can likely intercept any weapon that's fired with a high degree of accuracy.
 
I've seen anecdotal evidence that, in addition to the circa 1950s AKMs, some Russian soldiers and a bunch of Ukranians have been spotted with PPSH-41s, which date to WW2. This interests me considerably as a Tokarev enthusiast (I own 2x CZ52s).
 
I've seen anecdotal evidence that, in addition to the circa 1950s AKMs, some Russian soldiers and a bunch of Ukranians have been spotted with PPSH-41s, which date to WW2. This interests me considerably as a Tokarev enthusiast (I own 2x CZ52s).
There's been documented cases of PM1910s showing up in the conflict too. Russia is really going through its entire historical catalogue at this point
 
There's been documented cases of PM1910s showing up in the conflict too. Russia is really going through its entire historical catalogue at this point
Yep, saw a video of Ukrainian forces finding one the Russians had abandoned a few days ago.

That said Ukrainian forces did use captured ones in the early parts of the war as well

 
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some Russian soldiers and a bunch of Ukranians have been spotted with PPSH-41s
Army reserves have some wild things(even considering surplus sales of this). Biggest problem should be ammo - unlike Mosin rifles its firing dated ammunition. AFAIK, both sides has problems with lack of PDW class weaponry for pilots and armor crews. AK74U isn't most produced AK variant, as well as APS(which shooting crap ammo). Smartest thing will be to take all AK74U from police and give them something like Vitiaz.

As for Maxim - I don't think there was any chances that it would be used. On the other hand, MG is MG. Better have one, than not have one.
 
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2014. But the second best time is likely today.

I know Russia has nuclear weapons, but the US doesn't spend nearly a trillion dollars a year on nothing. We can likely intercept any weapon that's fired with a high degree of accuracy.
99% accuracy still means we could lose the entirety of NYC or DC. Despite the impressive streak of THAAD tests I wouldn't count on our missile intercept systems being 99% effective. THAAD potentially has the benefit of a low test count. AEGIS is older and has gone through more tests and has failed more than once. I also believe most tests were against individual missiles instead of mass launches, but I'm not super familiar with the testing history.
 
2014. But the second best time is likely today.

I know Russia has nuclear weapons, but the US doesn't spend nearly a trillion dollars a year on nothing. We can likely intercept any weapon that's fired with a high degree of accuracy.
It's quite likely that not every Russian nuke would be aimed at the USA. I doubt Europe would fare too well.
 
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