Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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They are mobile. That’s literally why air defense systems are mobile. Incoming you either move them or turn off the radar. An anti radiation missile doesn’t really know where to strike when the system is not emitting radiation. It can log some memory about where the signal was coming from but not exactly. But there is a reason air defense systems are made to be mobile for several decades now.
Even by Russian standards its horrible position. Radar operator here.
They're really lost in Moscow.
My main concern about situation with Azov commanders is that this violation of agreement could have negative effect on next exchanges.
 
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They're really lost in Moscow.

Turks have done nothing wrong. Turks cant keep Azov pows forever in Turkiye. Most will do whatever it can to go back home.

We dont even know when the war will end. Azov pows would be literally in Turkey forever by this rate.

As if the Russians will honour any kind of agreement. Any agreement signed with Russia ends up as toilet paper to them.
 
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Big Turkish middle finger to the Kremlin gnome.
After WoscoM was turned into submarine, it was obvious that Turkey wouldn't give a flying **** about midget desires. Our fleet could do two things - launch missiles at residential areas and pretend to be reef.
 
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"Russia denounces the soldiers’ return, accusing Kyiv and Ankara of violating a prisoner exchange deal under which the men were to remain in Turkey until the end of the war."

Sure, until the end of the war, but as we all know according to Russia themselves there isn't a war - just a special operation - so I don't see a problem here. Wonder what's the war they're talking about.
 
As long as they didn't give the goat****er a guarantee that Turkey can join the EU, it's good. If they did, spineless politics.
 
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What could possibly go wrong..

As has been mentioned, they're mobile and can be moved on short notice. But that's not the point.

The point was to purposely clump them together. That Russian genius has admitted that this is an easy target for various Russian weapons. But it's an easy target with extreme consequences. I don't see any soldiers in that photo so it wouldn't surprise me if they aren't even manned. It's bait.
 
As long as they didn't give the goat****er a guarantee that Turkey can join the EU, it's good. If they did, spineless politics.
The guarantee is that Sweden will support “efforts to reinvigorate the EU accession process” for Türkiye. Basically to help get the ball rolling. But in the end it’s up to Türkiye to decide whether EU membership is something they are interested in and if they are willing to make the necessary reforms.

I imagine it’s a bit of a headache for the Swedish PM though, because he is dependent on support from SD in the parliament and they are probably not too happy about this, since they don’t like EU, they don’t like NATO and they don’t like Türkiye.
 
Even by Russian standards its horrible position. Radar operator here.

My main concern about situation with Azov commanders is that this violation of agreement could have negative effect on next exchanges.
Is that AA position in NATO territory? If so, I don't think it matters how sloppy it is.
 
Is that AA position in NATO territory? If so, I don't think it matters how sloppy it is.
We can't estimate how strong is Chinese army. Cases like this could become reason for Chinese overconfidence and next global conflict.
 
They are mobile. That’s literally why air defense systems are mobile. Incoming you either move them or turn off the radar. An anti radiation missile doesn’t really know where to strike when the system is not emitting radiation. It can log some memory about where the signal was coming from but not exactly. But there is a reason air defense systems are made to be mobile for several decades now.
Patriot is mobile, but it's not moving out of the way of ARM's. I can't find numbers with a quick search but I'm sure Patriot relocation time is going to be minutes at best. Rather it would probably shoot down ARM carriers out of their range or possibly shoot down the ARM (or have surrounding SHORAD shoot it down). If there was advanced warning of an attack the site could move to an unexpected location though, as long as it had a couple of hours notice.
 
Is that AA position in NATO territory? If so, I don't think it matters how sloppy it is.
Yeah i was confused by the entire conversation. Russia social media puppets can show off pictures of SAM sites in the middle of gay pride parades (or whatever Ted Cruz wants to whine about) with map coordinates laid out on the ground with rocks and giant Target logos surrounding every truck. They can talk about how foolish NATO is because of it all they want, too.




They're still pointedly in Poland, so there's a lot of heavy lifting already done when it comes to "the realities of modern combat" as it pertains to their defensive positioning.
 
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Yeah i was confused by the entire conversation. Russia social media puppets can show off pictures of SAM sites in the middle of gay pride parades (or whatever Ted Cruz wants to whine about) with map coordinates laid out on the ground with rocks and giant Target logos surrounding every truck. They can talk about how foolish NATO is because of it all they want, too.




They're still pointedly in Poland, so there's a lot of heavy lifting already done when it comes to "the realities of modern combat" as it pertains to their defensive positioning.
Idea behind the modern military is that looks effective as ****. Everywhere and everytime. If complex that cost billions of dollars is tightly grouped 20km of enemy border, its ****show. Its reasoning behind Putler aggression. He saw Americans running out of Afghanistan dropping afghans in process. And became overconfident.
 
Idea behind the modern military is that looks effective as ****. Everywhere and everytime. If complex that cost billions of dollars is tightly grouped 20km of enemy border, its ****show. Its reasoning behind Putler aggression. He saw Americans running out of Afghanistan dropping afghans in process. And became overconfident.

Russia got away with Chechnya, Syria, Ukraine in 2014 and Georgia.

Russia thought this time they could get away with aggression and everybody for decades constantly appease them.

Then again this is geopolitics.
 
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I don't think one picture of mobile weapons platforms grouped together tells the whole story of NATO readiness.

It's propaganda and Putin was gonna invade no matter how those SAMs were positioned.

In war the first casualty is truth.
 
Idea behind the modern military is that looks effective as ****. Everywhere and everytime. If complex that cost billions of dollars is tightly grouped 20km of enemy border, its ****show. Its reasoning behind Putler aggression. He saw Americans running out of Afghanistan dropping afghans in process. And became overconfident.
I suspect that it was the effectively zero consequences for this and this that led Putin to become overconfident - it's not that he's confident he could win a war with NATO, its that NATO wouldn't bother helping Ukraine.
 
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Russia got away with Chechnya, Syria and Georgia.
Chechnya is part of Russia according to every country in the world at the moment. Kinda the same thing with Syria. Abhazia-Georgyia war was initiated loong before RF as country was born. It was bloody mess. You can't compare those conflicts to Ukranian war that started only because of Russian ultra rights with RF support invasion.

Similarity between those conflicts is cruelty of Russian soliders and officers. Those who should be punished for what they done.
I don't think one picture of mobile weapons platforms grouped together tells the whole story of NATO readiness.
Sure. Let's hope its local example of incompetence and US forces in Asia are more professional. I am not scared about Putler invading Poland or Estonia, but invasion in Taiwan is ****ing scary.
 
I think I'd be more surprised by the headline: "Putin Protestor Found Alive Under Mysterious Circumstances"
 
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