Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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Yeah - I think Russia would stop targeting civilian infrastructure very quickly if every time they did that the Ukrainians answered with blowing up twice as much critical infra structure like oil depots, bridges or military infra structure beyond the border deep in Russian territory. And for that you need long range ballistic missiles.
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Before the war, public info suggests the US had about 4,000 Tomahawks and only 500 ALCM cruise missiles. Undoubtedly the current conflict has already ramped up production of more of them.
I personally think that if the US were thrust into a war with Russia it would be extremely quick and easy to use basic cruise missiles from international waters or American airspace in Alaska to eliminate basically off of Russia's military assets in the east of the country. Russia would very quickly find themselves in a two-front war, losing everything that they have in reserve within 1500 miles of Alaska's western shore and the tip of the Aleutian islands. All of Sakhalin and Kamchatka are covered by that which to be fair are desolate but they do have plenty of military assets there, including bombers and Mig-31s. Most of their long-range interception capabilities would be gone within days.
Obviously Ukraine could put these to great use as well but I think if the US were to use them they wouldn't actually use them on the frontlines.
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For the most part it's a northern front.
If you wanted to hit Moscow with a missile launched from a complex in Montana, it'd go almost straight up over Canada and to the west of Hudson Bay before crossing the northern half of Greenland and coming down between Svalbard and Norway:
Similarly if you wanted to fire on DC from somewhere in Sibera, the path would be even more northern -- over both Novaya Zemlya and Svalbard, and practically scream due south on final approach:
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The reason I brought up conventional cruise missiles is because using any kind of ballistic missile - even though Russia using them right now against Ukraine - is just the sort of provocation that would heighten Russia's nuclear threat. They aren't good at anything militarily so I'm not confident they could immediately identify ballistic launches, identify its trajectory and target, and identify it as conventional. They're also going to take any missile launches from the Arctic as an extreme provocation which will continue to cause us problems into the future as they get more aggressive up there. Plus, our ALCM and Tomahawk missiles only have a range of about 1500 miles, not long enough to be fired from international waters or airspace over the arctic and hit anything important that you can't already hit from Europe. Further, nothern Russia relatively undefended compared to the eastern coast near Alaska where they harrass our territory all the time. Overall I think the Arctic ballistic "front" is the sort of doomsday scenario we've been making movies about for decades and it should probably not be made into reality.
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I would not worry about the nuclear threat, nobody is going to use nuclear weapons as its immediate suicide, they do a million times the damage to the USER than all cruise missiles of their enemies ever could. And everybody is aware of that, especially the Oligarchs running the country, they don't want nuclear war as this would interfere with their fancy yacht tours around the world and endanger their kids studying abroad.
Therefore I wish NATO and US would take the gloves off for real and deal with Russia the way they deal with Ukraine.
Every time Russia launches a missile against Ukrainian infra structure NATO drops two on infra structure in Moscow. That would make Russia cease that nonsense VERY quickly.
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