- 17,343
- United Kingdom
Russian Invasion of Ukraine
- Thread starter Rage Racer
- 10,148 comments
- 614,794 views
Keef
Premium
- 25,166
- Dayton, OH
- GTP_KeefRacer
- GTP Keef
We're all thinking the same thing though lol. As an American I'm pretty pissed about the whole situation and wish we could just flatten their ass. We've got enough firepower in a single carrier group to end Russia's economy overnight.
- 13,078
- United Kingdom
@Keef, You have to remember that Dennisch has spent most of this thread being extremely aggressive towards Russia and ignoring the AUP repeatedly when it comes to his views on Russia, Putin and the people.
As much as this thread is vehemently anti-Russia for all the right reasons, there is a certain level of civility being ignored there that seems to miss the point of why the West has stayed out of this war, as @MatskiMonk managed to point out with the sarcastic reply.
Wishing death upon a specific politicians and ethnic groups in general violates this.
As much as this thread is vehemently anti-Russia for all the right reasons, there is a certain level of civility being ignored there that seems to miss the point of why the West has stayed out of this war, as @MatskiMonk managed to point out with the sarcastic reply.
- 17,343
- United Kingdom
- 31,714
- Buckwheat City
- Dennisch
That was more aimed at the fact that Russia doesn't care where their missiles land as long as it kills Ukrainiana.
Keef
Premium
- 25,166
- Dayton, OH
- GTP_KeefRacer
- GTP Keef
That's the practical aspect of "moral high ground" for sure. Ultimately we're working with an insane dude and any undue escalation could blow the top off. Putin values "strength" above all else but is more likely to continue escalation rather than back down and show weakness.
This is the opinions forum after all, we talk about difficult and emotion topics and tempers have flaired for years. Most of our moderators are grown adults with plenty of experience so in a case like this, especially one where people may be directly effected by the news, they're probably able to make judgement calls on who is willingly breaking the rules and who isn't. In fact there is at least one member who couldn't get it together and couldn't even have a logical discussion on this topic. Fact is, most of the civilized world holds the same opinion on this topic and I don't think I've seen an unjustified word said in here yet.
- 11,639
- Intercourse, PA
- Carbonox
- 24,016
- It/It
- GTP_TheCracker
- 87,634
- Rule 12
- GTP_Famine
Although we've not received any reports, it's a very fine line to tread.
Fundamentally the line is: people who have decided to wage war on an actual democracy and are aiming for a bodycount of any type, which engages in torture of captured opponents and conducts ethnic cleansing, are not afforded the protection of GTPlanet's AUP (not that it matters to them, but to our members discussing it).
This is a conscious decision they have made to deprive citizens of rights, dignity, life, autonomy, and safety in a brutal campaign over the misapprehension that the land is theirs and the people on it are either brainwashed against being with them or Nazis and should submit or die (or be kidnapped and forcibly integrated into the aggressor's society).
It is... difficult to say on which side of the line many of the grunts fall. As we heard early on, the guys on the ground may not have been told where they're fighting, who, or why, but any who engage in rape, mutilation, torture, and murder of civilians and prisoners of "war" are the wrong side of it. The brass are not ignorant of any of this and are all the wrong side of it.
These are the "orcs" - so-called because of the orcs of LOTR who are a point-and-kill army of ****wits who murder indiscriminately and revel in both death and desecration of corpses. If someone refers to "orcs", this is who they're talking about.
Ordinary Russians who don't do any of this are not "orcs". They are Russians, and should not be lumped in with these people by sharing a passport. If they have not made the conscious decision, as above, to be "orcs" then they are afforded the protection of GTPlanet's AUP (with the previous parentheses applying in a similar fashion).
Being anti "orc" is not being anti-Russian.
Moving on, the opinion "maybe Ukraine should do to Russia what Russia is doing to them" is not a breach of the AUP (and also not a serious suggestion of a course of action, I expect). It would be if it were appended with an expressed desire to see that happen so that ordinary Russians also die.
To steal an equivalent from the F1 forums, I'm pretty sure I've seen people suggesting that drivers should pay one driver's "you yield or we crash" attitude back to him. That's fine, but "I hope someone does that so they crash" is not.
Fundamentally the line is: people who have decided to wage war on an actual democracy and are aiming for a bodycount of any type, which engages in torture of captured opponents and conducts ethnic cleansing, are not afforded the protection of GTPlanet's AUP (not that it matters to them, but to our members discussing it).
This is a conscious decision they have made to deprive citizens of rights, dignity, life, autonomy, and safety in a brutal campaign over the misapprehension that the land is theirs and the people on it are either brainwashed against being with them or Nazis and should submit or die (or be kidnapped and forcibly integrated into the aggressor's society).
It is... difficult to say on which side of the line many of the grunts fall. As we heard early on, the guys on the ground may not have been told where they're fighting, who, or why, but any who engage in rape, mutilation, torture, and murder of civilians and prisoners of "war" are the wrong side of it. The brass are not ignorant of any of this and are all the wrong side of it.
These are the "orcs" - so-called because of the orcs of LOTR who are a point-and-kill army of ****wits who murder indiscriminately and revel in both death and desecration of corpses. If someone refers to "orcs", this is who they're talking about.
Ordinary Russians who don't do any of this are not "orcs". They are Russians, and should not be lumped in with these people by sharing a passport. If they have not made the conscious decision, as above, to be "orcs" then they are afforded the protection of GTPlanet's AUP (with the previous parentheses applying in a similar fashion).
Being anti "orc" is not being anti-Russian.
Moving on, the opinion "maybe Ukraine should do to Russia what Russia is doing to them" is not a breach of the AUP (and also not a serious suggestion of a course of action, I expect). It would be if it were appended with an expressed desire to see that happen so that ordinary Russians also die.
To steal an equivalent from the F1 forums, I'm pretty sure I've seen people suggesting that drivers should pay one driver's "you yield or we crash" attitude back to him. That's fine, but "I hope someone does that so they crash" is not.
inCloud
(Banned)
- 3,598
- Argentina
- Kannon33r
I share my view on this:
Every Russian citizen who cross 1991 RF/Ukraine border without legal procedure is criminal. If they did it with weapon - dangerous criminal. Nothing wrong with support of law enforcement doing their job as it intended, no matter in what country they are.
Also, if you mean state use term Russian Federation or RF. Russia is territory and people that live here, not just government. When you saying Russia doing something its wrong - we don't have democratically elected officials.
Idea that someone should kill civilians only because someone with same passport doing it in another country is ****ed. You suggesting warcrimes, its disgusting, don't do it.
Every Russian citizen who cross 1991 RF/Ukraine border without legal procedure is criminal. If they did it with weapon - dangerous criminal. Nothing wrong with support of law enforcement doing their job as it intended, no matter in what country they are.
Also, if you mean state use term Russian Federation or RF. Russia is territory and people that live here, not just government. When you saying Russia doing something its wrong - we don't have democratically elected officials.
Idea that someone should kill civilians only because someone with same passport doing it in another country is ****ed. You suggesting warcrimes, its disgusting, don't do it.
- 2,989
- Columbus, Ohio
Imagine there being some emergency where they have to scramble these jets in minutes, and the pilots race out and realize "oh wait, we have to pull all these used Bridgestones off first..."
I feel like if they're really trying to obscure the plane's shape to confuse autonomous drones, a few stacks of strategically placed crates and camoflage netting around the wings would work better and be a lot faster to remove.
- 24,016
- It/It
- GTP_TheCracker
Camoflage netting has been doing the job fine since WW2. Perhaps there's a national shortage of the stuff and an excess of used tyres in Russia?
- 29,379
- Glasgow
- GTP_Mars
Keef
Premium
- 25,166
- Dayton, OH
- GTP_KeefRacer
- GTP Keef
Ruskies are known for using spare parts from genuinely dis-used airframes so any damage to one of those isn't a complete waste of a missile.
A thought of mine is that Russia has done this simply to draw attention to these unairworthy airframes and away from the actual planes. Note that the Bear in the third photo doesn't have any propellers. Their contra-rotating system is extremely expensive and complex (and old) so Russia likely doesn't have a lot of spares laying around. That is also the only plane they ever used that system on so it's not like they effectively spread the cost across their aviation industry.
Last edited:
Keef
Premium
- 25,166
- Dayton, OH
- GTP_KeefRacer
- GTP Keef
Reinforcements out of desperation for sure. That said, I'm very surprised by how small these numbers are. They only had 11 attack helicopters stationed in Belarus? The US alone has 819 Apaches, the newest one of which literally just arrived in Germany. I'd love to tell you how many we've got stationed at various bases but we keep them in hangars to keep the numbers hidden. I'd assume we have a dozen or more at Wiesbaden just to have an effective rotation and that's only one base, not the entire country of Belarus which is chock full of Russian bases.
This here is a bit of sensationalism but in the long term it's probably true.
Turkey is indeed working on the Instanbul Canal with construction of the first highway bridge over what will become locks having already begun. They've stated and it is known that this canal will not be subject to the Montreaux Convention, meaning legally the US Navy will be allowed to operate through the canal. The US Navy has said they don't currently have any plans to do this. That said, the US will be adopting the Black Sea Security Act of 2023, something which I assume most of you have never heard of. I'm kind of stunned this hasn't been all over the news, or maybe I don't watch the news enough. The implication is obvious - this bill and law changes that will follow set in stone the US's right to operate its Navy inside the Black Sea, something which has been impossible since Montreaux. Everything is lining up. This is massive news that is going to effect geopolitics and Russia's standing on the world stage for the rest of our lifetimes. That said, the US won't be operating anything in the Black Sea for probably 10+ years when the canal is finally complete.
Last edited:
Keef
Premium
- 25,166
- Dayton, OH
- GTP_KeefRacer
- GTP Keef
Germany might think they're pioneers but the rest of us think they're living in la-la land.
This is a pretty big deal. Russia is going to have to change its own aviation laws just so they don't run out of domestic transport aircraft. They'll have to allow uncertified parts and modifications, and unapproved maintenance procedures in order to keep them airworthy, at which point they won't be allowed to operate in any well-established airspace system, especially Western-aligned systems. I doubt that even China, Iran, etc would allow such planes to operate. Their airworthiness certificates would no longer be valid to ICAO.
This Airbus is dead in the water without thoise slides, no pun intended.
This is a pretty big deal. Russia is going to have to change its own aviation laws just so they don't run out of domestic transport aircraft. They'll have to allow uncertified parts and modifications, and unapproved maintenance procedures in order to keep them airworthy, at which point they won't be allowed to operate in any well-established airspace system, especially Western-aligned systems. I doubt that even China, Iran, etc would allow such planes to operate. Their airworthiness certificates would no longer be valid to ICAO.
This Airbus is dead in the water without thoise slides, no pun intended.
Last edited:
- 29,379
- Glasgow
- GTP_Mars
What would you like to eat for the anti-Imperialism lunch today, Domиno Pizza, Макдоналдс or Kaliningrad Fried Chicken?
- 2,989
- Columbus, Ohio
Absolutely no one in this photo looks like they actually want to be there.
What would you like to eat for the anti-Imperialism lunch today, Domиno Pizza, Макдоналдс or Kaliningrad Fried Chicken?
- 29,379
- Glasgow
- GTP_Mars
Especially when Kim found out that Макдоналдс is now called Tasty Period in Russia.
Similar threads
- Poll
