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Tax £'s spent well I'd say. Shame America can't follow the UK's lead (again) and just give ATACM's. It's frustrating that the countries that seem the most committed don't have the means to provide enough of the necessities. UK being the first to give MBTs for example but as an Island nation we don't need and have a large number of tanks to be able to give a helpful amount.
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Both sub and dry dock aren't thing anymore.
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Crimean aren't safe for obvious reasons, there are docs in Novorosiysk. Not sure if they could handle everything.
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Wait, what?... here's a 1.5 km line from the Ivangorod checkpoint. Were they doing circles? Because 1.5 km leads way past the Narva checkpoint and almost to the center of the city.
Our government is not confiscating cars. It was just in the discussion about what to do with them and what problems will arise.
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At least this thread isn't all doom and gloom. 👍 You'd surprised by the amount of people who are saying '' 🤡 the end of humanity is nigh!!'' on YouTube! 🤣 Really looking forward to see the headlines ''Ukraine Russia war has ended.'' ...that is, with Ukraine victorious.
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There's way more to it than that. There's a reason Biden and his administration are saying no. They're worried that Ukraine will hit targets within Russia using the ATACMS and that could feed into Russian escalation. While I'm sure the Russian nuclear stockpile is mostly junk, all it takes is one working weapon to destabilize the world.
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I already said, nuclear weapons. I know the Russian military is garbage, but all they need is one working nuclear weapon to destabilize the entire globe.
US intelligence knows more than any of us though and they're telling the Biden administration so they can determine the best course of action. They likely believe there's some credibility to the threats that Russia would retaliate if it's attacked on its own soil by American weapons. We also need to consider that Russia and America share a border so it's not like they're half a world away either.
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Because they're more capable of hitting targets and threatening more of Russian infrastructure, especially in Crimea. It's not just a little bit more range either, it's quite a bit more range:
Like I said, the US has far better intelligence than any of us are privy too and the risk/reward isn't worth for us at the moment. Biden has said it's not off the table though so it could change as more information become available. For all we know, they could have something and they're just vetting it properly before making the decision.
The US also needs to be concerned about our own supplies. While we can pump stuff out fairly quick, we do need to maintain a certain level of military readiness.
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I agree with @Joey D's sentiment here. It's clear that the US would like Ukraine to prevail. But it's also clear that Russia can do more to destabilize the world. We don't have all of the information, and playing armchair military general is probably not a great idea.
We're on the side of the Ukrainians, it's just that that's not the ONLY side we're on. We're also wanting prosperity and stability for lots of other countries, and that means being measured in Ukraine.
We're on the side of the Ukrainians, it's just that that's not the ONLY side we're on. We're also wanting prosperity and stability for lots of other countries, and that means being measured in Ukraine.
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300 vs 290km for Storm Shadow. Storm Shadow cant be used closely to frontline, so actual range is 280-290 vs 250.
Kiev in 3 days 🤡
Thing is, West arguing about escalation since 2014. Is there any escalation because Ukraine gain Himars, Storm Shadow or M777? Nope, just piles of burning T90s and few demolished warships.
Its not problem, according to US military. Its Biden choice.
RF can't obliterate 5000 Wagner mercs marching from Rostov to Moscow. Black Sea fleet running from Sevastopol because few missiles and dozen of drones.
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Well Biden is technically the head of the US military, and he gets information we don't have. I understand that this is somewhat non-falsifiable, but it should be clear that the US would like Ukraine to prevail (Biden, not Trump), and would also like not to engage Russia very directly.
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We're not privy to all the intelligence that's gathered. There's definitely some weighing on risk vs. reward when supplying munitions and the US needs to make sure they're not going to spark off what will amount to WW3.
Except the US Army has stated that it wants to make sure it can replace the ATACMS with PrSM. While the US isn't exactly short on munitions, we still need to figure out things logistically.
So no, it's not Biden's choice. Like he's not sitting in the Oval Office saying "no", but rather it's a big team of people looking at all the available information and weighing the risk vs. reward. They'll likely eventually send them and probably soon, but they need to figure things out. The one area where the US military excels at more than anything, including firepower, is logistics.
No argument from me there, but try telling the delusional Russians that.
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