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Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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Not in every instance but "peaceful solution" is absolutely used as a way of saying "I want Russia to win" by people too afraid to admit it or by ultra anti-USA, anti-NATO types that go so far around the world they meet Putin on the other side.
Russia started it. Russia as it is now will not accept a peaceful solution. Choose your words more carefully.
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Giving into Russia's demand though doesn't benefit anyone. Putin wants to recreate a Russian Empire and if you give up land, all he's going to do is invade somewhere else. The only way it ends is either Putin's regime being completely destroyed, Russia itself being destroyed, or the Russians finally wise up their leader is a genocidal dictator.
Trump would absolutely not lead to a peaceful solution either. Trump wanted the US out of NATO and without the US backing, Europe's defense is severely crippled. I'd rather not have Russia take over somewhere like Poland.
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What do you think "giving into Putin" would look like?
Bear in mind the indiscriminate (deliberate) strikes on civilian buildings, hospitals, schools, and infrastructure, the state of the cities that the Russian military has "denazified", the kidnapping of children to "reeducate" them in Russia, and the torture, mutiliation, and execution of soldiers (both Ukrainian and its own), what is it that you think Ukraine would look like after surrendering to a straight-up invasion and ethnic cleanse?
Now flip that round. What do you think Russia would look like if it stopped hurling cruise missiles and thermobarics at Ukraine's cities and bogged off back inside its own borders?
The "peaceful resolution" is where the invader gets the smeg out of where it's invading, not where it takes the land it's illegally occupied (like it did in 2014) after countless war crimes.
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Screw it just keep sending more and more guns and stuff over then. I’m sure it’ll all sort itself out eventually.
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Russia isn't going to stop and the only reason weapons are being sent to Ukraine is that they need to defend themselves. If the arms quit coming in, Russia is just going to keep going. If land is ceded to Russia, they're going to attempt to take more land. It might not be the day the treaty is signed, but they will resupply, regroup, and redeploy.
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Sorry sir, it’ll never happen again sir.
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Making me look like I said something different to what I said to further your point? Yes, absolutely it is.
Revert it to what I actually said, and if you want to make a point do so in your words, not mine.
And don't think the fact you entirely avoided answering the question your own point of view poses was missed by anyone. We all saw it.
Edit: That was an instruction. Do not ignore it again.
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I agree.
What did Kim Jong Un invade again? Remind me? Just need to be sure that we're giving Trump the necessary respect for de-escalating an active conflict not directly involving the USA.
Your location seems to be the UK. Good luck to us.
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Well he was testing nukes and stuff, throwing threats around, creating tension on the border to SK. He did pretty much stop all that after Big Don gave him a knock at the door. Not exactly the same situation, but you’ve got to wonder what a different president might’ve done about him. Maybe they’d have armed SK to the teeth and egged them on.
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Kinda sus.
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Ask Prigojin about agreements with Putler. This was already the case in 2014-2018, yet he started full scale invasion in 22.
Poland would have more firepower than any other nation in EU. Besides nukes.
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Russia will probably win this conflict regardless of the MSM based opinions in this thread, anybody thinking the US is focused on making Ukraine win makes me laugh
They give Ukraine weapons at a snails pace for a reason, they want to prolong the conflict, create the right environment for higher military budgets and sign arms sales contracts with several EU countries because "Russia wants to invade everybody". It's business as usual for the war industry, its investors and other corporations that will make millions and billions rebuilding Ukraine.
C'mon people this is high school level of obvious, what the hell are you eating for breakfast
They give Ukraine weapons at a snails pace for a reason, they want to prolong the conflict, create the right environment for higher military budgets and sign arms sales contracts with several EU countries because "Russia wants to invade everybody". It's business as usual for the war industry, its investors and other corporations that will make millions and billions rebuilding Ukraine.C'mon people this is high school level of obvious, what the hell are you eating for breakfast
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Russia is currently 19 months into a 3 day operation. "Probably" doesn't help them escape the embarrassment of how pathetic they've looked.Russia will probably win this conflict regardless of the MSM based opinions in this thread, anybody thinking the US is focused on making Ukraine win makes me laugh
C'mon people this is high school level of obvious, what the hell are you eating for breakfast
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He did? I wasn't aware House of Commons Speaker Anthony Rota was now the president of Ukraine. Try again.Zelensky bringing a Nazi to Canadian parliament maybe?
Rota, the Commons speaker, said that he alone was responsible for inviting Hunka, who lives in the area he represents, implying that neither Zelenskyy nor Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau knew about it.
I don't know how you feel entitled to say this because the US was in Afghanistan for a decade battling ill equipped insurgents, didn't solve a damn thing and you even left the country far worse than when you invaded, giving terrorists billions in military equipment that I'm willing to bet will end up in the hands of other terror groups infiltrated in Europe, good job!
And I 100% agree that Russia's performance is anything but embarrassing but you as a US citizen perhaps shouldn't criticize them lol
Blame shifting. Zelensky was there, Trudeau was there, are you telling me Zelensky didn't know who he was? pleeeeease. As for Trudeau he should've done his homework to avoid this monumental embarrassment. And btw giving Russia talking points too.
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I never said Afghanistan wasn't a disaster. Russia should know that it wasn't a good move either as they tried to go after them in 1980 and also failed. Your complete blind faith that a former USSR leader is the best world leader in history is not going to do you any favors either. Might want to sit this one out as well since you seem to think that anyone Russia is attacking is a Nazi, including Jews who live in Ukraine.
Claiming that I find Putin "the best world leader in history" with actual opposing evidence in my current and previous comments is pathetic to say the least. But that's what people who let emotions seep into their arguments do all the time.
I believe I said before that I didn't think Putin invaded Ukraine to kill the Nazis why would I think that lol anything Russia, China claims is a lie most of the time, and the same goes for the US, I used to think the US was a beacon of freedom and ideals when I was a teen, but your gov is full of it too I now realize... STILL better than China and Russia by a long mile but careful cause it's descending into madness pretty quickly and can become another Russia or China in one to two decades time.
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Lolwut? RUAF is somewhat where it began in 2022, but without 2/3 of its soliders, artillery and tanks. ЗСУ became comparable to RUAF in weaponry. I could see why locals think you braindead bot, no offense.
Looks like there wouldn't be another mobilization till "elections" in March 2024. Not sure how our dwarf wants to defend Melitopol without fresh manpower. Agitation for contract service doesn't look all that successful.
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Because any agreement that doesn't reset borders to before the invasion of Crimea (or at the very least, the start of 2022) validates Putin's agression.
If I broke into your house and stole a bunch of your stuff, would you call it square if I gave some of it back and walked away?
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