Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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MIE1992
I'm hearing that the Ukrainians are using a Yak-52 to shoot down drones!
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Make sense - every flight is cheaper, smaller difference in speed makes cannons useful which makes its even more cheaper.

Ukrainian influencers pushing officials to peacetalks, by using some harsh words.

Meanwhile, 30% of Belgorod, RF population are left the city. Understandable, when 200+ civilians were killed as result of Ukrainian war crimes. ЗСУ daily shelling Belgorod, Grayvoron and Shebekino with MLR Vampire (Grad), blowing emergency and civilian vehicles with fpv drones. Moronic RF government silencing and threatens civilians.

War doesn't make anyone better, everything turning into ****.
 
inCloud
ЗСУ daily shelling Belgorod, Grayvoron and Shebekino with MLR Vampire (Grad), blowing emergency and civilian vehicles with fpv drones.
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17 towns and villages in Belgorodskaya obl. are quarantine zones now.

Massive blackouts in southern regions(APS malfunction) of RF and Buratia(HPS malfunction).
 
Joey D
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RUAF consists of many ethnic groups, use Russians or Rossiani if you want, Russki is reference to ethnic group that live in Ukraine, RF, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Canada and alot of other countries.

Ukrainian drone dropped frag grenade at group of teenagers in Shebekino, Belgorod obl, according to local administration. 4 injured, one dead. Another drone exploded near civilian car and two civilians burned alive.
 
inCloud
Wat? Programmers need to program coordinates into missile so it can avoid AA and hit the target. Its not as simple as general pointing something on Google maps and missile hit it. My point was that paying to the programmer to do wrong data for missile isn't beyond realm of possibility.
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You really think some nerdy dude is programing coordinates to a missile? You don't need to pay anyone, you can buy the missile, and choose between modes, between one that prioritises range, opting for a straight flight to the target, or you can choose the mode that avoids air defenses. In some cases, the missile depends on it's own sensors to detect radar emitions, and to avoid it by going "around" the radar. If you have an air defense that doesn't rely entirely on radar, and can detect via passive means (like IRST), the missile can't avoid anything, unless whoever is launching, knows where those air defenses are exactly.
Programers don't know where air defenses are, so they can only work on the missile programing on general way, and not mission specific programing.

In the end, to make the missile hit an hospital, you don't need to do anything, you don't need to bribe anyone, or kidnap their family or whatever, you just "tell" the missile "go there", and the missile goes, as the missile can't distinguish an hospital from a warehouse and there is no protocol to "not hit hospitals" in the missile. The missile will go where it is told to, as long as it is within its range.

Michael88
My take on this all is they do it exactly for money, gas and oil to be precise. Around 2014 huge gas and oil reserves were discovered in the east of Ukraine, thats when it all started.
Thing is if Ukraine got to extract that stuff they could have used existing Russian pipelines running through Ukraine to deliver the gas and oil to Europe completely undercutting Russia big time.

Since Russia is all about oil and gas and they've never bothered to develop other sectors enough to help support their country and those natural resources are their only instrument to exert political pressure on Europe they went berserk with plans to annex those areas rich in natural resources - no matter the cost.

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Its always about money. Always each and every time.
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Well, the thing with money, is that it has to be worth it. So no, it's not always about it.
If your country starts a war, where it spends 5 billion, and gets resources to gain 6 billion, it might be seen as worth it. But to start a war that costs 7 billion, to gain 6 billion from resources, makes no sense. (These values are just examples)

It makes sense that natural resources were the main focus of Putin, when the idea was to place a puppet regime in Kiev, that would be extremely profitable. The moment he failed to do so, and the war drags on and on, less value Russia gets from it and from those resources. Right now, it seems clear that Russia is at a loss, even if they ended up controling those resources. At this point, it's safe to assume that Russia, and Putin specifically, is too far into the war to end it. It's an ego thing.

Let's not forget, that Russia intends to control Moldova as well. Pretty sure they don't have no way near the same resources.

The Ghiana/Venezuela situation is a bit different. Ghiana is too weak militarily, which makes a war extremely profitable for Venezuela, given the amount of resources they win from controling Essequib vs what they lose during a conflict. This of course changes with international interference, like the US attacking Venezuela.
That's the whole point of investing in defense: to make a war extremely expensive for a potential adversary that's trying to grab your resources.
 
inCloud
RUAF consists of many ethnic groups, use Russians or Rossiani if you want, Russki is reference to ethnic group that live in Ukraine, RF, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Canada and alot of other countries.
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It's the English pronunciation of "русский." Americans have used it as a pejorative towards Russia and the Russians since the 1950s. It can also be spelled Russky.
 
dacc10
Let's not forget, that Russia intends to control Moldova as well.
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Moldova is one step away from Romania's oilfields. Not that I support the idea that that's the only reason Russia is interested in but it certainly stacks up with recreating the Soviet Union, given that Moldova was part of it.
 
dacc10
You really think some nerdy dude is programing coordinates to a missile? You don't need to pay anyone, you can buy the missile, and choose between modes, between one that prioritises range, opting for a straight flight to the target, or you can choose the mode that avoids air defenses. In some cases, the missile depends on it's own sensors to detect radar emitions, and to avoid it by going "around" the radar. If you have an air defense that doesn't rely entirely on radar, and can detect via passive means (like IRST), the missile can't avoid anything, unless whoever is launching, knows where those air defenses are exactly.
Programers don't know where air defenses are, so they can only work on the missile programing on general way, and not mission specific programing.

In the end, to make the missile hit an hospital, you don't need to do anything, you don't need to bribe anyone, or kidnap their family or whatever, you just "tell" the missile "go there", and the missile goes, as the missile can't distinguish an hospital from a warehouse and there is no protocol to "not hit hospitals" in the missile. The missile will go where it is told to, as long as it is within its range.
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Entering coordinates is very common for guided weapons. I don't have specifics for this missile, but it wouldn't be unreasonable at all. Mission specific routing is also very possible, though again I don't know exactly how the guidance of this missile works. Passive detection systems are harder to detect than radar, but a unit or weapon doesn't have to solely rely on its own sensors to fly a route. Militaries will collect intelligence on the locations of enemy forces and map where they are likely to be or not.

As far as the choice of target, the missile needs to be given a destination or a criteria to select a target on its own after reaching a point, but there is no real difference between a civilian or non civilian target as far as the missile is concerned.
 
Joey D
It's the English pronunciation of "русский." Americans have used it as a pejorative towards Russia and the Russians since the 1950s. It can also be spelled Russky.
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Not all citizens of Russian Federation are русские. Chechens or Burati aren't русские by any means.

Russians kinda ok for all russian citizens, because its how RF officials call us all in international documentation. Even if its confusing.
dacc10
You really think some nerdy dude is programing coordinates to a missile
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We even know who,info about these department of MoD was leaked some time ago
dacc10
Programers don't know where air defenses are
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They know pretty well, at least about long range ones. RUAF have satellite images + stats about most downed targets for two years
dacc10
you just "tell" the missile "go there", and the missile goes
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Once again, you just don't know **** about those missiles and how they getting mission info.
 
Dennisch
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Either the orcs' air defense and radar systems are garbage, or they launched the drones from Finland. Given the quality of the Reds, I'm going to guess they're just too stupid to notice drones flying around.
 
Joey D
Either the orcs' air defense and radar systems are garbage, or they launched the drones from Finland. Given the quality of the Reds, I'm going to guess they're just too stupid to notice drones flying around.
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1) 2000 km land border, not counting border with Belarus. Its impossible to cover with AA
2) UAV are slow and low, most radar systems aren't capable of detecting such targets. Our radar systems could cover targets at hundred meters and higher, in hundred km radius. But something that barely touching treetops? Nope.
3) ****load of those flying daily. 90% can't pass through border, but to burn down fuel depot you need only one

Obviously, at drone game Ukraine has way better odds - more targets in more directions, better capability of targeting + Western tech support.
 
Sad record here - youngest RUAF solider were killed in Ukraine, boy was born in 2006, he was 18 and few months old.
 
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