Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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This morning:
Ballistic missile launches from Crimea.
Tu-95 missile launches.
Tu-22 missile launches.
Kalibr missile launches from ships.
Kindzal missile launches...
Explosions in Kyiv and other big cities. Lots of casualties.
Damaged children's hospital "Okhmatdyt"
Several hits in the same place.
Looks like they were aiming at the "Artem" factory again.
Missile can be seen in the top left corner.
Ballistic missile launches from Crimea.
Tu-95 missile launches.
Tu-22 missile launches.
Kalibr missile launches from ships.
Kindzal missile launches...
Explosions in Kyiv and other big cities. Lots of casualties.
Damaged children's hospital "Okhmatdyt"
Several hits in the same place.
Looks like they were aiming at the "Artem" factory again.
Missile can be seen in the top left corner.
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Preventing peace talks and prolonging the war will have two consequences:
1. Further destroying Ukraine, which neither Russia nor NATO really give a crap about.
2. Further destroying Russia and Russia’s economy which is something NATO gives a huge crap about.
There is no positive for Russia which they still haven’t figured out.
inCloud
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Thing is, you thinking about it as Western citizen. Leeches that sucking blood from fighting Russia doesn't give a **** about what happens in few years. There isn't visible future for Russia after Putin is dead. And he is 70 y.o ill ****er that could die tomorrow. But, it doesn't means there isn't beneficiaries in this story. War is source of money for thousands people that "building" nonexistent apartments, infrastructure or defence lines that tomorrow would be destroyed by nonexistent Ukrainian missile. Billions of dollars were already stolen and they, obviously, don't want to stop money flow. Its not that hard to pay someone to correct missile guidelines and hit hospital instead of factory.
Also, there is Putin who is obvious sociopath and his motivation isn't clear. I don't know, maybe he just likes to bomb oncology centers full of kids.
Or it could be tragic coincidence, result of systematic Russian incompetence(like it was with dam).
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I accept that it's a convenient source of money for oligarchs but that slightly downplays the evil actions being undertaken by the Russian Federation as part of this façade; if you want to steal taxpayers' money, just tender non-existant healthcare or transport contracts to your mates' companies. You don't have to bomb civilians in a neighbouring country as part of that process to make it 'look real'.
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Russia didn't invade Ukraine for money. Russia did it for the sake of conquering more land. It's an imperialistic quest, moved by the egos of Putin and others up top. They are not thinking about financial gains, specially when you get a lot richer in peace time (with the ability to make business with any country in the world) than war time (where in this case, you suffer sanctions and lose access to quite a few important clients), bar some exceptions. The fact that Russian military equipment is losing credibility, and consequently lose export value for potential costumers, penalizes them even more.
There are other factors to take into account, like the CEP, in cases where a missile could have been pointed to place A, but hit something like 10 or 20, or even 50-100 meters away, depending on the quality of the guidance system, potential jamming, etc.
Although in this case, I doubt Russia did it accidentaly, and it's more likely on purpose to destroy as much as they can.
You do know that, targeting an hospital with a guided weapon, is quite easy, right? You just point out where you want the missile to go, and the missile goes there. No need to pay anyone to mess up with the missile.
There are other factors to take into account, like the CEP, in cases where a missile could have been pointed to place A, but hit something like 10 or 20, or even 50-100 meters away, depending on the quality of the guidance system, potential jamming, etc.
Although in this case, I doubt Russia did it accidentaly, and it's more likely on purpose to destroy as much as they can.
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The fact that apparently they shot atleast two missiles at the same target, automatically implies it's not the lack accuracy either, or one missile not working properly.
Now the only thing people can speculate, is the reasoning behind the targeting of said facility. Russians used excuses like "there was a guy wearing a military camo" to justify an attack in a nursery and a funeral I think. Russia tries as much as they can to take advantage of any grey area that might exist in the rules of war.
Now the only thing people can speculate, is the reasoning behind the targeting of said facility. Russians used excuses like "there was a guy wearing a military camo" to justify an attack in a nursery and a funeral I think. Russia tries as much as they can to take advantage of any grey area that might exist in the rules of war.
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Different sources for different people. War is beneficial for generals, first of all. In peace time they did millions, now billions.
Oligarchs were cut off from West, where their houses, kids and money were safe.
Russia invade to conquer Kiev in three days and set Putin puppet as new president. It didn't work, but long war created new beneficiaries.
Every missile should be programmed with specific route to avoid AA. Its not straight line from bomber to destination.
Its Russian missile we talking.
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There's still the human factor. It all depends on the human dude guy who puts in the coordinates and/or does the targeting. Atleast until AI becomes widespread in precision weapons, and is allowed to make decisions, which will complicate stuff even further.
If along the chain of command, some guy messes up, from the intel to something as simple as puting in the wrong coordinates, an "accidental strike" can occurr. In this case, it's highly unlikely that a mistake would end up with the missile targeting an hospital.
Technically, there are ways a precision weapon can mess up. A heat seeking weapon might mistakenly lock onto something it shouldn't, or an anti-radiation missile (anti-radar) could lock on to the wrong signal, but the Kh-101 is neither of those, so it's not applicable.
Yes, and now they keep going to annex as much land as they can. That's why some of their "peace" proposals, involve not only the land they are occupying right now, but a sizeable amount of territory that russian forces do not have under control.
Not every missile, but yes, there's that option. What I meant was that, for the missile, there's no need to change parameters to hit an hospital any differently than it would need to hit an air base or a bunker or whatever.
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And how its confronting my post about beneficiaries?
Wat? Programmers need to program coordinates into missile so it can avoid AA and hit the target. Its not as simple as general pointing something on Google maps and missile hit it. My point was that paying to the programmer to do wrong data for missile isn't beyond realm of possibility.
Every Russian X-101 missile, last time I checked we talked about it, not something else
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My take on this all is they do it exactly for money, gas and oil to be precise. Around 2014 huge gas and oil reserves were discovered in the east of Ukraine, thats when it all started.
Thing is if Ukraine got to extract that stuff they could have used existing Russian pipelines running through Ukraine to deliver the gas and oil to Europe completely undercutting Russia big time.
Since Russia is all about oil and gas and they've never bothered to develop other sectors enough to help support their country and those natural resources are their only instrument to exert political pressure on Europe they went berserk with plans to annex those areas rich in natural resources - no matter the cost.
Its always about money. Always each and every time.
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It's OK though, they're the good guys only trying to secure the rights of minorities in Donetsk, Luhanks and especially Transcarpathia, as my friendly Republican rep asserted.
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A truly shocking disregard for human life. Why are Russians so willing to bleed for this guy? How many Russians would die overthrowing the regime of V.Putin? Probably less than this war.
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There are reports that people with heavy wounds being send back to frontlines after initial stabilisation in hospital being done. Without fingers, with shrapnel in body, even without legs or eye.
Initially its money. First payment is 1.500.000+ with avg salary 30.000+. Salary for 4 years in one day + 6 salaries every month.
Imagine someone from Jackson MS ghetto and give him 200.000$ for being deployed + 24.000 monthly. My guess, you could find thousands volunteers instantly.
Atomism.
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