Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Rage Racer]

And in the mean time your country men are trying to take over the country. What do you think is worse for the state of Ukraine? Or does Putin need to broadcast a new bulletin for you to understand what YOUR president is doing with YOUR army in a sovereign nation?

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This is starting to get annoying. Sorry, I don't hope for a constructive conversation with you anymore.

"But they might kill themselves before we get a chance to do it for them" isn't quite the statement you seem to think it is.

Understand it however you want.

I'm not sure you've adjusted your perspective glasses correctly.

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[Tornado]

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This is starting to get annoying. Sorry, I don't hope for a constructive conversation with you anymore.

I'm sure Dennisch is very sorry for making you feel bad as you defend the Russian government invading and subjugating a neighboring country with no pretext. Truly his actions are the worst things that have been laid bare in this thread.

 

[Joey D]

These Russians are cowards and war criminals:

Street fighting begins in Kyiv; people urged to seek shelter

Russian troops are storming toward Ukraine’s capital, and street fighting is breaking out. The soldiers advanced Saturday as city officials urged residents to take shelter.

apnews.com

Amid reports of hundreds of casualties — including shelling that sliced through a Kyiv apartment building and pummeled bridges and schools

Imagine targeting civilian residences and schools. I worry that this is going to turn into a genocide because that is something Putin is very capable of doing.

 

[McLaren]

It seems like Putin wants to use everyone else to fight his battle. First Belarus, then stories of Syria sending 200 troops, Chechnya sending in some, and now asking Kazakhstan?

 

[Famine]

Understand it however you want.

They're your words, and nobody made you post them (well... nobody here at any rate). It's certainly a statement, but not quite the one you appear to think it is.

These Russians are cowards and war criminals

As we speak, the "comedian" president of Ukraine is in combats, in public, and addressing his people, while the far more presidential super-president Vladimir "Smart" Putin is squirrelled away in a nuclear bunker pushing out pre-recorded statements and sending kids to die.

 

[Dennisch]

Sorry, I don't hope for a constructive conversation with you anymore.

With you trying to justify Putin's actions in every way possible with your "yes but they do this" mentality is hasn't been constructive at all.

You're smarter than this. You know about false flags, propaganda and the level of corruptness in Moscow. And still you have this stance. Russia doesn't need Putin and his friends pushing Russia away from the West, and what now also seems to be happening, from the East. Isolation gives you North Korea.

 

[Baka_Marimo]

Edit: My bad, didn't realize it had been posted already.

 

[sirjim73]

Lavrov says he is prepared to talk if Ukraine stops fighting.

This means two things:
1. The war is not going as well as Russia had hoped.
2. Lavrov is too dumb to realise that Russia is the aggressor and that all they need to do to stop the fighting is to call off the invasion.

Actually, I'm not sure about that at all.
I think it's more of a propaganda thing. Again. Every statement made is calculated.

Russia is about to enter Kyiv and the world is about to see the bodies of women and children and shelling of hospitals, schools etc.

Putin et al are going to say "this is your fault - we offered to talk but you refused and forced your people to fight for the neo nazis". Its all ******** of course, but fits with the narrative that they are following.

One of the reasons why i never understand why some people say stuff like
"Leave politics out of sport"
When I'm critical of Qatar events etc....

Its intertwined and sport is used and abuse for pollical willy waving.

Just look at how many Russian athlete's are drugged up to the eyeballs to make Russia seem superhuman.
Bunch of cheating scum.

"Leave politics out of sport" 🤔
Points to China's use of winter olympics as a big CCP willy waver...

Repressed Russian tankies in shambles.

The only Russian wanker left now is Putin!

I'm not sure Helmut sending helmets is going to have much of an impact on this war frankly.

Good speech from Boris tonight 👍

I like the use of language to make direct speech to Russians and Ukranians here.
I'm neither biggest fan nor biggest critic of Boris, but would mention that on Thursday Boris was the only one seemingly willing to talk about a SWIFT ban for Russia while Biden and others were poo pooing the idea.

It would be somewhat bizarre if Boris' extremely fragile position as PM ended up being rescued by Putin.

 

[Rage Racer]

Keep calm, guys. While Russian media obliviously lying, all other media also could spread fakes. I am not biggest fan of RR posts here, but I beg you not start witch hunt. His position is clear - he isn't fan of war in any form.

Its tough time - our government betrayed us and our neighbors. Some blaming mad king, some trying to find reasons behind it.

Thank you.
We may disagree in something, and everyone's on strong emotions, but we must not lose humanity and respect to each other. Eventually, this will end.

These Russians are cowards and war criminals:

Street fighting begins in Kyiv; people urged to seek shelter

Russian troops are storming toward Ukraine’s capital, and street fighting is breaking out. The soldiers advanced Saturday as city officials urged residents to take shelter.

apnews.com

Imagine targeting civilian residences and schools. I worry that this is going to turn into a genocide because that is something Putin is very capable of doing.

I don't see a single school on those photos. There's an apartment building, photographed few times, (that's reportedly been hit by a Russian cruise missile falling after being shot down by the Ukrainian AA force), a small 2-floor house with remains of a fighter (Ukrainian Su-27), and a couple of photos from Donbass, with results of Ukrainian army's work.

If there was a confirmed hit on a school, I'd already see the photos on various TG channels I observe.

Say, were you also worried like this when Ukrainian army and air force shelled and bombed the civilians of Donbass in 2014, did you also compare it to genocide?

 

[Famine]

Crikey, it must be going badly. The whataboutisms are back...

It would be somewhat bizarre if Boris' extremely fragile position as PM ended up being rescued by Putin.

To be fair, the Conservatives get a lot of money from Russian sources, and they probably don't want it to dry up.

 

[McLaren]

KYIV, 25 February - The deaths of three children reported in the conflict in Ukraine shows that any war is a war against children, with fears that more innocent young lives will be lost if the fighting does not stop immediately, Save the Children said on Friday.

Two teachers were also reported killed when a missile struck a school in Gorlovka in eastern Ukraine as Russia military operations escalated, with explosions reported across major cities.

Ukraine: At least three children killed as conflict escalates

Ukraine: At least three children killed as conflict escalates

www.savethechildren.net

There is a before & after photo of what is said to be a school on Twitter as well. However, I will not post it as the after shows a small, covered body noted as a casualty of the building being attacked.

 

[SestoScudo]

Turkey has personally asked Ukraine not to mention TB2 or any kind of their arms being used not to antagonise Russia which is pretty stupid as Russia already knows.

I dont like this appeasement bs from Turkey. Erdogan always speaks tough but always stays quiet when it comes to Putin. Doesnt mean Turkey will go to war.

Kazakhstan ruled out joining Russia I hope other Turkic countries dont join in.

 

[McLaren]

Ukraine special agency reporting another Il-76 has been shot down.

 

[Keef]

Kazakhstan ruled out joining Russia I hope other Turkic countries dont join in.

The pacific situation notwithstanding, I really do think that today's global economics and information sharing are so intertwined that the likelihood of an actual world war breaking out is extremely low. There's just too much to lose, and a country like Kazakhstan has literally no hope of defending itself or making any useful offensive effort. The difference in power between nations these days is just tremendous. I think China will find itself completely isolated on the Taiwan front as well, but obviously they're sitting near the top of the heap globally.

 

[McLaren]

Marco has been on something today.


Weirdly enough, it was predicted even earlier today by someone else the Ukrainians are letting Russians get close to attack their following supply lines. Other reports claiming Russian troops are in need of food.

 

[SestoScudo]

The pacific situation notwithstanding, I really do think that today's global economics and information sharing are so intertwined that the likelihood of an actual world war breaking out is extremely low. There's just too much to lose, and a country like Kazakhstan has literally no hope of defending itself or making any useful offensive effort. The difference in power between nations these days is just tremendous.

Turkic countries are still under Russian influence only Turkic country which Turkey was able to get close with is Azerbaijan.

Russia still holds sway in the region.

 

[SestoScudo]

Marco has been on something today.


Weirdly enough, it was predicted even earlier today by someone else the Ukrainians are letting Russians get close to attack their following supply lines. Other reports claiming Russian troops are in need of food.

Urban warfare is tough.

 

[Nielsen]

I'm saying that if you want that shot across the bow to be fired, Europe should do it. Otherwise you are just perpetuating the same reliance on the USA that's led Europe to this position in the first place.

This is not about what I want. Do you really think my personal interests motivate the strategic measures I suggest?

I’m also not sure why you think United States performing a nuclear drill is a matter of Europe relying on them. United States is the greatest superpower in the West, and therefore the first country to give another superpower like Russia second thoughts about further aggression. That’s how deterrence works effectively and how the balance of power remains intact when challenged.

 

[McLaren]

Urban warfare is tough.

Indeed though I've read the food shortages for Russian troops date back to them staging at the border.

 

[Joey D]

I don't see a single school on those photos. There's an apartment building, photographed few times, (that's reportedly been hit by a Russian cruise missile falling after being shot down by the Ukrainian AA force), a small 2-floor house with remains of a fighter (Ukrainian Su-27), and a couple of photos from Donbass, with results of Ukrainian army's work.

It's a photo reel. The AP News is probably one of, if not the, most reliable sources to get information from.

If there was a confirmed hit on a school, I'd already see the photos on various TG channels I observe.

I doubt that, especially with how much Russia is censoring certain things and doing everything in its power to control the narrative. If the AP is reporting it, it's sound information.

Say, were you also worried like this when Ukrainian army and air force shelled and bombed the civilians of Donbass in 2014, did you also compare it to genocide?

Yes? That's a weird thing to ask and it was all over the Western media about how both sides were more or less doing whatever they wanted. I know you wanted to pull some sort of "gotcha" situation here, but that's not going to work.

Also, no it wasn't genocide. War crimes? Yes, absolutely. Human rights violations? Yes, of course. But genocide? Nope, because there wasn't a motive to eliminate an entire ethnic group or country since Donbas was never a country and/or nation (and still isn't despite what Putin claims). I know Putin has repeatedly made the claim that there was genocide occurring however there's no evidence of that. If they truly believed there was genocide and actually had evidence to back it up, they could've easily gone to the UN about it and something would've been done. But nope, Putin and his feckless government are just saying it without providing any proof...it's really little wonder why Putin and Trump had a weird, overtly sexual, bromance. They really are two peas from the same pod.

By contrast, Putin certainly has his sights set on snuffing out Ukrainians. There's evidence of it in Crimea, particularly among the Crimean Tatars, and there will almost certainly be evidence of it in the rest of Ukraine.

 

[McLaren]

Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Danilov: We are stopping the horde as much as we can, the situation in Kyiv is under the control of the military forces of Ukraine and the citizens of Kyiv

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Ukraine conflict: Refugees rush to borders to flee Russia's war

BBC correspondents talk to Ukrainians heading to the five countries on their western border.

www.bbc.com

 

[SestoScudo]

Seriously man nobody would accept such terms at all.

 

[Northstar]

Currently watching a live stream with audio from Independence Square and the gunfire seems to be getting pretty close.

 

[McLaren]

 

[Darla Starch]

Spoiler: Because many translated naughty words

I love the cheery defiance on display.

 

[Keef]

 

[eran0004]

Say, were you also worried like this when Ukrainian army and air force shelled and bombed the civilians of Donbass in 2014, did you also compare it to genocide?

How does it feel to live in a country where you’re denied access to free media and denied the right to protest and demonstrate and denied the right to free and fair elections?

Putin is afraid of the truth, there’s no other explanation for it. Don’t trust the Kremlin propaganda.

 

[McLaren]

There were also some reports from non-Ukraine sources (might've been US) that believe a 2nd Il-76 was indeed brought down.

 

[GingerBredMan]

This situation is heartbreaking, it seems dire but I hope somehow Ukraine pulls through this.

Seeing the President, the former president, the Klitschko brothers (had no idea one of them was Kiev's Mayor), and so many citizens say f-it we're defending our country has to be the most inspiring thing I've seen in modern history.