Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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The European Alliance of News Agencies (EANA) suspends TASS from Alliance pending exclusion decision


27.02.2022

Under the circumstances of the new media regulation enforced by the Russian government (Roskomnadzor), which is heavily restricting media freedom, the Board of EANA considers that TASS finds itself in violation of the purpose of EANA as it is laid out in the Statutes of the Alliance, not being able to provide unbiased news, which stand at the core of EANA’s mission statement.
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Its a peculiar use of the quote given that Putin initiated fighting and is not winning.
It wasn't meant to be related to anything Putin is doing but rather a response to the post that was quoted, hence why I quoted the post I was directly responding to...
 
I mean, if you continue to put together illogical statements and insist that they're logical, I'm not going to prove anything to you with logic.

Let me try it your way: You're wrong.

Did it work?

P.S. Using brackets means that the sentence still makes sense without the information contained within them.

So much misunderstanding, so little time. Is it the side with the highest kill count that wins a war? Or is it something else that determines the winner?
Grasping here aren't you.

What was in the brackets was clearly to demonstrate that to me at least, Russia started this War.
And they have dead soldiers because of it.
You want to weep for dead Russian soldier's (which i think is fine BTW its your choice)
I don't want to weep for them, again my choice, but one which you seem hell bent on challenging.
Why? Why bother? I'm not going to change mate, my wife can't change me, so not a chance in hell you can.

I accept that for Ukraine to defeat Russia that Russian soldiers will die. FACT, because they already have.

I DON'T CARE THAT RUSSIAN SOLDIERS ARE DYING I AM GLAD BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO TAKE UKRAINE.

OK, clear now?

So you keep to burying your head in the sand and writing peace signs on your camper van, it works for you, crack on.

Let me do me ok?
 
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Reports the protest in Moscow is still going on
More than 5000 arrested.

Meanwhile in vatnik TV - D.Kiselev (one of the most watched russian propagandist) telling audience about nuclear arsenal and "we don't need world without Russia".

Me after 30 seconds of watching this moron:
 
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I have to wonder how the soldiers will react once they realize that they are basically not being paid and that their paycheck is worth less than the uniform they are wearing.
Very good point.

Gamer related link.

 
More than 5000 arrested.

Meanwhile in vatnik TV - D.Kiselev (one of the most watched russian propagandist) telling audience about nuclear arsenal and "we don't need world without Russia".

Me after 30 seconds of watching this moron:

That might work in N. Korea. I would imagine most Russians are not down with such rhetoric even from the state TV.
 
It wasn't meant to be related to anything Putin is doing but rather a response to the post that was quoted, hence why I quoted the post I was directly responding to...
But you were wrong to use that quote, its old and translations over centuries have rendered it obsolete to anyone but people childishly using it as an anti War quote.
When in fact it was about grinding down your enemy so you can obliterate them but suffer less death yourself....

It's saving your soldiers at the expense of your enemies.
Sort of like what War is right?
 
Doing a quick wiki search of the 3 aforementioned Air Forces, looks like Ukraine will likely be getting more MiG-29s, though they'd be ones modified to NATO requirements. Does that mean Ukraine is gonna get a bunch of Fulcrums equipped with Sidewinders (genuine, if not somewhat generalized question)?
Not sure. I would assume it would be much easier for them to simply get Polish and Bulgarian planes and weapons (since these two countries are looking to replace those planes anyway with NATO ones). No idea on the stocks they have though. Maybe Romania, which used Mig-21 still have some weaponry compatible with the Mig-29 too.

I have to wonder how the soldiers will react once they realize that they are basically not being paid and that their paycheck is worth less than the uniform they are wearing.
They could just surrender, and sell the vehicles to other countries, or the weapons in the black market. You know, if the T-90 crew is able to sell the tank for half a million dollars, the 3 crew members get some $166k each, which is more than enough to reset your life somewhere else. "Make money, not war"
 
You are aware Art of War is still used in modern military, legal and business training, right?...
Yes, I am.
What's your point though?
Obviously in business you don't want people to go around killing competition, literally.

Sun Tzu didn't set out to write it to help corporate's climb the ladder! lol.
(that's if he even wrote it or existed)

It's original use was to help smaller armies defeat bigger armies..... but in no way was he really suggesting not to kill the enemy!!!

Come on. Is this for real?
Just give it up.

Sun Tzu's homeland (the state of Wu) was under threat from the state of Chu. Chu's army of 300,000 was lead by a greedy, aggressive, and corrupt prime minister named Nang Wa. Sun Tzu trained and led an army of only 30,000 men into a war of resistance against Chu. Sun Tzu devised efficient, effective, and lethal strategies in the war and overcame all odds. He was able to defeat the entire Chu army. He retired shortly after this victory, believing that the Wu political leadership was growing mad with power.

Sun Tzu, the ruthless Chinese warmonger, whose revolutionary "Art Of War" led to the massacre of millions.
 
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Says the guy with an insatiable blood lust...
Like your hero Sun Tzu you quoted then......

Time makes people folklore and in truth fantasy.

This is why there is a cruise ship company called 'Viking cruises'.

Now not sure if you ae aware but Vikings were possible histories most violent and barbaric of people, absolutely chilling what they got up to....
But now looked on to most as lovely bearded guys with horns on helmets (they never had horns on helmets BTW)

An example the Vikings killed so many infant girls (which they had a reputation for) they induced an imbalance in the gender ratio
which i guess was their point....... quick call it Art of War!

But yes to name a cruise company 'Viking' always makes me have a wry smile...

1000 years from now 'Nazispacetrips.com'

You get my point. Humanity is messy..... I'd stay as you are mate. What you don't know won't hurt you.
 
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I accept that for Ukraine to defeat Russia that Russian soldiers will die. FACT, because they already have.
You really don't get logic, huh? Just because Russian soldiers did die doesn't mean that it was necessary for Ukraine to win.

You seem to think I'm arguing about the death part. I'm not. Your statement was false because it is not necessary for soldier to die in order for the other side to win a war. Just because they almost always do doesn't change the logic - the requirements for winning a war have nothing to do with how many are killed.
Let me do me ok?
No. You want to celebrate the death of Russians. I will continue to point out that it's unnecessary, inhumane and ultimately a counterproductive mindset to the outcome that sensible people want from this - a world at peace.
When in fact it was about grinding down your enemy so you can obliterate them but suffer less death yourself....
You're so focused on death that you can't put it aside for a second.

The truly great general manoeuvres his opponent in to such a disadvantageous position that his opponent surrenders or retreats before the battle is even fought, the outcome being obvious and inevitable. The best battle is one that never needs to be fought at all.

Even during a battle, at any given moment you're trying to attain a position from which your advantage is so unassailable that the enemy is forced to surrender or retreat. It is never strictly necessary that more soldiers die to achieve this position, although it is often the case that many will.

Sun Tzu is old, but it's Strategy and Tactics 101. It remained famous over centuries for a reason. That doesn't mean it's all absolutely correct, but you need to be able to explain the limitations if you want to refute it. You're never going to progress to more complicated scenarios if you don't understand the basics. Replying with "but death lol" isn't a sound argument against a fundamental strategic and tactical text.
 
Doubt it would be of any use, due to the fact that a pilot can't just jump into a new plane, and automatically knows how to use it. It would take weeks, if not months, to form pilots for a completely different plane, with very different systems and performance.

For the ukrainian pilots, it's much more useful to get planes that they already know (even if in an older version), giving them the chance to join the fight much faster.

Edit: wouldn't be surprised if some of those were Polish and Bulgarian MIG-29s.
In the short term they will be getting more MiG's, but I'm sure in the long term they will want to turn away from Russian aircraft. This war will hopefully be too short lived to see the Ukrainian military convert to Western hardware, but I think after the war Ukraine will definitely be seeking US and European weapons.
Doing a quick wiki search of the 3 aforementioned Air Forces, looks like Ukraine will likely be getting more MiG-29s, though they'd be ones modified to NATO requirements. Does that mean Ukraine is gonna get a bunch of Fulcrums equipped with Sidewinders (genuine, if not somewhat generalized question)?
Traditionally NATO MiG's still use Soviet weapons (After the breakup of the USSR the manufacture of some of these weapons was split between multiple countries, so this doesn't mean that the weapons have to be supplied from Russia). NATO originally acquired MiG-29's when Germany reunified and took former East German MiG's. They were used with minimal conversion (which also made them useful for evaluating Russian military equipment) until replaced. The same is likely to happen with these.
 
You really don't get logic, huh? Just because Russian soldiers did die doesn't mean that it was necessary for Ukraine to win.

You seem to think I'm arguing about the death part. I'm not. Your statement was false because it is not necessary for soldier to die in order for the other side to win a war. Just because they almost always do doesn't change the logic - the requirements for winning a war have nothing to do with how many are killed.

No. You want to celebrate the death of Russians. I will continue to point out that it's unnecessary, inhumane and ultimately a counterproductive mindset to the outcome that sensible people want from this - a world at peace.

You're so focused on death that you can't put it aside for a second.

The truly great general manoeuvres his opponent in to such a disadvantageous position that his opponent surrenders or retreats before the battle is even fought, the outcome being obvious and inevitable. The best battle is one that never needs to be fought at all.

Even during a battle, at any given moment you're trying to attain a position from which your advantage is so unassailable that the enemy is forced to surrender or retreat. It is never strictly necessary that more soldiers die to achieve this position, although it is often the case that many will.

Sun Tzu is old, but it's Strategy and Tactics 101. It remained famous over centuries for a reason. That doesn't mean it's all absolutely correct, but you need to be able to explain the limitations if you want to refute it. You're never going to progress to more complicated scenarios if you don't understand the basics. Replying with "but death lol" isn't a sound argument against a fundamental strategic and tactical text.
No it's you who is wrong. Sun Tzu Art of War is responsible for millions of deaths.
It is used as a tatic to defeat your enemy.
Some may well surender, but many don't, and they die.

You are just wanting to be simple and treat War like my 8 year old girl, bless her.
You are trying to argue that an ojective in an actual live War isn't to kill before you get killed.

You are comming at this from the perspective that Putin didn't invade and him and Zelensky just hugged and got on with life.
In a live active War your way is off the table.

We are in live active War with Russia, so i would rahter see dead russians than dead Ukraines.
How about you?
And don't say neither as that isn't plausable.
 
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Finna say, Eurofighter, Lockheed and Boeing are probably looking at all this like:
Ukraine has shown interest for Dassault's Rafale before the war. I don't know why it's missing from your list and searches.
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Meanwhile in vatnik TV - D.Kiselev (one of the most watched russian propagandist) telling audience about nuclear arsenal and "we don't need world without Russia".
According to a russophone historian heard on TV a few days ago (which i quoted yesterday), Putin said this too before in Russia. Why are Russian officials talking to their population as they'd do at a Kamikazes briefing?
 
News from relatives in Russia is that they are mostly freaking out and thinking of what's going to happen next for ordinary people, if full on nuclear war doesn't start that is.

Russia and Ukraine are supposed to start the talks soon, but I'm not sure what these talks are going to accomplish. I'm sure Ukraine is not going to give up the land and I'm sure Russia is not just going to completely back down either. I can only see things escalating from here, given that the West is de facto entering the war on Ukraine's side. Only hope we have is that Russian oligarchs or others with power take over from Putin and that the military doesn't align with him.
 
You are trying to argue that an objective in an actual live War isn't to kill before you get killed.
The basic objective of almost any war in existence (ignoring the political motives that got the war going to begin with) is to put your enemy into a position where continuing to fight is no longer practical. While killing by itself is unfortunately a neigh-inevitable piece of the puzzle, killing as many people as possible is not at all a necessary step to achieving that goal (The fall of Imperial Germany, Invasion of Poland, Fall of France, and the American Civil War are examples that spring to mind). In fact, killing everyone in sight for the sake of it tends to be a pretty bad "tactic" to begin with, because it ends up being way too time consuming, an incredible waste of resources, and typically leads to atrocities and increased suffering for the normal people caught in the crosshairs, potentially creating some form of societal breakdown (both the Eastern Front and Pacific Theatre of WWII say hello).

As @Imari just mentioned, you are so caught up in your bloodlust that you fail to realize (or refuse to realize) that your "kill 'em all" thought process not only makes no sense from a strategic standpoint, but is pretty much Putin's strategy at a basic level, so now you're pretty much just as bad as the guy that you want people to dislike, which also makes it difficult for people to sympathize with you. A good bit of the reason why Ukraine is getting so much support around the world is because, among other factors, they've mostly maintained a strategy of general defense, and aren't taking unnecessary steps to slaughter every Russian solider they come across, and instead are trying to capture as many enemy soldiers as is practical.

I very much want Ukraine to win, and I want to see Putin punished for his actions (whatever those punishments may be), but celebrating the deaths of others, even if they "deserve" it, is a pretty hard sell for me.

Ukraine has shown interest for Dassault's Rafale before the war. I don't know why it's missing from your list and searches.
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Like I said, it was a quick search. I was more looking at what aircraft Poland, Slovakia and Bulgaria had in their current inventory. I can see them going for the Rafale (and maybe some old Typhoons) down the line, provided Ukraine walks away successful.
 
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The basic objective of almost any war in existence (ignoring the political motives that got the war going to begin with) is to put your enemy into a position where continuing to fight is no longer practical. While killing by itself is unfortunately a neigh-inevitable piece of the puzzle, killing as many people as possible is not at all a necessary step to achieving that goal (The fall of Imperial Germany, Invasion of Poland, Fall of France, and the American Civil War are examples that spring to mind). In fact, killing everyone in sight for the sake of it tends to be a pretty bad "tactic" to begin with, because it ends up being way too time consuming, an incredible waste of resources, and typically leads to atrocities and increased suffering for the normal people caught in the crosshairs, potentially creating some form of societal breakdown (both the Eastern Front and Pacific Theatre of WWII say hello).

As @Imari just mentioned, you are so caught up in your bloodlust that you fail to realize (or refuse to realize) that your "kill 'em all" thought process not only makes no sense from a strategic standpoint, but is pretty much Putin's strategy at a basic level, so now you're pretty much just as bad as the guy that you want people to dislike, which also makes it difficult for people to sympathize with you. A good bit of the reason why Ukraine is getting so much support around the world is because, among other factors, they've mostly maintained a strategy of general defense, and aren't taking unnecessary steps to slaughter every Russian solider they come across, and instead are trying to capture as many enemy soldiers as is practical.

I very much want Ukraine to win, and I want to see Putin punished for his actions (whatever those punishments may be), but celebrating the deaths of others, even if they "deserve" it, is a pretty hard sell for me.


Like I said, it was a quick search. I was more looking at what aircraft Poland, Slovakia and Bulgaria had in their current inventory. I can see them going for the Rafale (and maybe some old Typhoons) down the line, provided Ukraine walks away successful.
Lol. I never said kill them all and you know that.

Even in a War where you don't kill all of the enemy, people still die....
Which apparently me pointing out means i have blood lust.

War is messy.
I get that on a gaming form i might just be discussing this with 12 year olds. So i'll leave it there.
 
Lol. I never said kill them all and you know that.
Sure, not word for word, but...

Every story of dead Putinazi's helps me sleep better.....
Honestly, I am going to rejoice at every Russian soldiers death.

This one is fairly close though...
No one is blaming all Russian's at all, we stand as one with those brave enough to call Putin for what he is...
The rest..... can go to the worms for all i care....
All clear?
And that was just in the handful of posts I skimmed through during a search.

And just for fun, I will repost the words of your dear old grandpa...

(OK after he died my Mum told me that he confided in her once that he was torn up inside at the things he saw and young Germans who didn't know really what they were fighting for killed by him and others)

I don't even know his name, but I must say I respect the man. It's clear he did what he had to do but took no real joy in it.
 
You are trying to argue that an ojective in an actual live War isn't to kill before you get killed.
You think that's the objective?

You think Putin's objective in this is simply to kill all the Ukrainians before they or their allies kill him?
You think the Ukrainians objective is to kill all the Russians before they kill them?

Jesus Christ, you're more detached from reality than I thought. Wars are not won by killing everyone on the other side. Those are called genocides.

Wars are prosecuted with specific goals in mind, say defeating a force invading your country and forcing them out. In meeting this goal, you may find it useful to kill enemies. But you are not killing them for the sake of killing them. You are killing them because it helps in meeting your goal, and it's likely that there are many other actions that can be taken to meet this goal. It is possible that you may not need to kill in order to meet your goals, depending on what they are and the disposition of the various forces in the field.

Have you ever read or watched anything about strategy that or tactics that wasn't an action movie? Your description of war is so far from how it actually works I struggle to see how you're matching it up with what's happening on the ground in Ukraine. Yes, people usually die in wars but it isn't inevitable and it's certainly not necessary.

The moment you start thinking that it's necessary for more people to die is when war crimes start happening.
Which apparently me pointing out means i have blood lust.
No, we've all been pointing out that people die. It's unfortunate, but it's statistically very likely. You're the one that's been getting gleeful about the thought of Russians being killed. You've said it many times. That's the difference. You take joy in wartime deaths, most of the rest of us see it as an unfortunate consequence of a conflict that should be avoided as much as possible.

You still haven't learned the lesson that your grandfather learned. He was fighting Nazis, the baddest bad guys to ever be bad. Yet he still found some compassion for people in a terrible situation not entirely of their own making. The way you describe it, he feels about Nazis the way I feel about the Russians in Ukraine.

I think you wouldn't say to his face the things you've said to me here.
 
You are trying to argue that an ojective in an actual live War isn't to kill before you get killed.
You just said in this very post that killing is not an objective, it's a tactic. And you'd be right! Very rarely in history has blatantly killing people been an actual objective of any war.
 
It seems like the sanctions on Belarus so far haven't been as severe. I'm seeing news that they may be sending in their forces to help Russia.
 


This is going to have ramifications.

Could spill out into a war or a proxy war between Turkey and Russia. With Syria, Caucasus and Libya being the battlegrounds.

Ukrainian conflict could perhaps spill out of the borders.
 
So, this is a driving game forum. Most important question here is therefore, what model is that Tractor and is it available in Farming Simulator? 🤔

And can you really tow a tank without suffering from massive physics glitches?

Don't worry, I'm sure someone at Eurofighter is making plans for the future right now.

Saab is pretty keen as well, I imagine.
 
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Why are Russian officials talking to their population as they'd do at a Kamikazes briefing?
1) Putin was confident that RF army would roll to the Kiev in few hours and general population of russian speaking cities would be happy about it. Same idea was in mind of soliders and was spread through TV. Crimia style.
2) our army stuck in Ukraine, first two days there were results, but in next three initiative was lost. Somehow even Mariupol fighting.
3) Russia is pariah state, even for China.
4) Rumours about casualties spreading fast, for whatever reason regime didnt prepare for this by blocking independent media.
5) ₽ is ******.
6) Even most brainwashed russians start feeling that something isnt right.
7) Elite panicking. Business making pacifist statements.
8) He cant just go away from Ukraine, it would make him loser in the eyes of russians and kill him. Its always was zero-sum game for him(even if in reality its not).
9) As always, propaganda trying to blame evil West. As always, propaganda spreading zero-sum game mentality. Its working for people raised in USSR(median age is 40).

Obviously, our regime set a trap and put his own leg in it. After 2012 power of Putin became almost absolute and, at the same time, his info channels became thinner. In 10 years he completely detached from reality. Finally, he making suicide decision and there is no one who can stop him.

Most likely, all three countries would be free in few years. Even after 8 years of war we all brothers. Слава Україні! Жыве Беларусь! Россия будет свободной!


So, this is a driving game forum. Most important question here is therefore, what model is that Tractor and is it available in Farming Simulator?
МТЗ Белару́с, most likely. Its all over exUSSR.
 
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