Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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It's pretty much similar to how World War 2 developed. The dictator relied on its Speed as it's enemies needed to sort stuff out, but the Power of the dictators enemies eventually catch up.So, the EU and its friends are finally waking up and getting in motion.
Putin was correct in assuming that NATO and EU were put to sleep by decades of peace, becoming fragmented, bureaucratic and divided. Where he made the mistake is to assume the West couldn't overcome those differences. We sure took our sweet time to respond, but the EU and NATO are massive and once they get moving it's a massive mammoth that makes very, very big waves. The politicians are slow to move, but support among the general population is massive, as could be seen from all the protests today, but also support for measures that would economically hurt us, or the willingness to house millions of Ukranian refugees.
If anything we should thank Putin for uniting us and waking us up. This is surely not the outcome that he wanted/expected. Poked the wrong bear there buddy.You actually got ****ing Germany and Sweden to crawl back on policies of not supplying weapons (that they had in place for many decades) in around 72 hours and Switzerland will most likely join the EU in blocking funds for Russian oligarchs.
I'll admit: I didn't see those coming either, but damn....
Oh, and also don't underestimate the role of Turkey, Erdogan building a lot of credit here and Turkish-made drones are wreaking havoc in Ukranian hands.
I just hope they caught up at the right time so this doesn't just drag and excalate.
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Apparently Ukraine's President - the "comedian", as our friendly native would point out - is not only the winner of Ukraine's version of Dancing With the Stars, but also dubs the voice of Paddington Bear for the Ukraine regional versions.
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Why in Gods name are you using that old quote.Only if the purpose of the aggressors is genocide...
We've had Nazi's since then and I don't remember freeing the world of Hitler by not fighting.
That is some 15 year olds poster before they realize the cold reality of the world.
It also doesn't mean what you think it does.
You think in Tzu's battles no one died??
Its been badly translated over the years.
But he means to not fight if not necessary so he lost less men than his opponents.... which he killed in great numbers...
Tell me, how many Wars had no deaths?
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And, just like that, the EU became not just an economical and political union, but also a military one:
Many EU members have been dragging their feet for years on this subject, but thanks to Vlad we can come to an agreement in a matter of a few days.
Prediction: That EU military force we've been debating about for ages is going to be a reality 'soon'.
Many EU members have been dragging their feet for years on this subject, but thanks to Vlad we can come to an agreement in a matter of a few days.
Prediction: That EU military force we've been debating about for ages is going to be a reality 'soon'.
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And, just like that, the EU became not just an economical and political union, but also a military one:
Many EU members have been dragging their feet for years on this subject, but thanks to Vlad we can come to an agreement in a matter of a few days.
Prediction: That EU military force we've been debating about for ages is going to be a reality 'soon'.
At this point it is a matter of time before one of the countries joins Ukraine.
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We will see where they invest the extra money. Maybe new tech, like hypersonic weapons, more and better AA systems, who knows. The other question is if any other NATO member will follow Germany and also increase their defense budget. Would make sense, as there are plenty of countries that are a lot worse than Germany.
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Powerful* statement from FIFA.
No more international tournaments in Russia. The Russian teams will now be known as Football Union of Russia and they're no longer allowed to fly the flag or use the Russian anthem.
FIFA is negotiating with Poland, Sweden and Czech Republic, probably to try to get them to play against the Russians for the WC qualifiers, which all 3 refuse.
*FIFA officials are probably still bent over carrying all those Rubles.
No more international tournaments in Russia. The Russian teams will now be known as Football Union of Russia and they're no longer allowed to fly the flag or use the Russian anthem.
FIFA is negotiating with Poland, Sweden and Czech Republic, probably to try to get them to play against the Russians for the WC qualifiers, which all 3 refuse.
*FIFA officials are probably still bent over carrying all those Rubles.
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Doubt it would be of any use, due to the fact that a pilot can't just jump into a new plane, and automatically knows how to use it. It would take weeks, if not months, to form pilots for a completely different plane, with very different systems and performance.
For the ukrainian pilots, it's much more useful to get planes that they already know (even if in an older version), giving them the chance to join the fight much faster.
Edit: wouldn't be surprised if some of those were Polish and Bulgarian MIG-29s.
For the ukrainian pilots, it's much more useful to get planes that they already know (even if in an older version), giving them the chance to join the fight much faster.
Edit: wouldn't be surprised if some of those were Polish and Bulgarian MIG-29s.
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Doing a quick wiki search of the 3 aforementioned Air Forces, looks like Ukraine will likely be getting more MiG-29s, though they'd be ones modified to NATO requirements. Does that mean Ukraine is gonna get a bunch of Fulcrums equipped with Sidewinders (genuine, if not somewhat generalized question)?
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No, it's you who should check facts better this time.
First, Ukrainian was in official use since the early years of Soviet Ukraine, when Ukrainian language and culture were actively promoted by Lenin, and even forcibly - all other ethnicities living in the Ukrainian SSR were subjected to forced Ukrainiazation, and this is why there's an opinion that Lenin basically recreated the Ukrainian statehood after the era of Russian Empire. During Stalin's rule, the Ukrainization program was halted, but Ukrainian language was still in official use in UkrSSR along with Russian (the state language of USSR) until the collapse of the Union.
Second, your information about Russian language in Ukraine is outdated. Russian had no official status in independent Ukraine until 2012 (when Verkhovna Rada accepted a bill giving Russian the official status in regions where it's spoken by at least 10% of the population). But it was cancelled by the post-Maidan government in 2018. I didn't say it's forbidden to speak Russian in Ukraine, but currently Ukrainian is the only official language in the country, and since 2020 school and university education must be in Ukrainian language only. Despite of about half of population being Russian speakers.
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I mean, if you continue to put together illogical statements and insist that they're logical, I'm not going to prove anything to you with logic.
Let me try it your way: You're wrong.
Did it work?
P.S. Using brackets means that the sentence still makes sense without the information contained within them.
So much misunderstanding, so little time. Is it the side with the highest kill count that wins a war? Or is it something else that determines the winner?
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Its a peculiar use of the quote given that Putin initiated fighting and is not winning.
However you are thinking in literal terms of declaring war... the art of war is about controlling your enemies. It's much more apt to describe Belarus in that context or other examples of Putin installing puppet regimes.
I dont know what the off-ramp is here, Putin was only offering talks to get Zelenskyy in a very obvious trap.
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