Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Scaff]

Rumours are, they are excellent combat engineers and would be used for that role. Hard to imagine how non-russian speaking regiment could be successful

Excellent field engineers who have been battle tested how many times?

 

[TheCracker]

Hard to imagine how non-russian speaking regiment could be successful.

Are you familiar with Tower or Horde Defence mobile/browser games?

That's how it would work (or not).

 

[Joey D]

Even the hell hole that is Russia is probably preferable to living in the bigger hell hole that is North Korea. However, all their families are probably being held captive to ensure that they don't desert.

 

[inCloud]

That's how it would work (or not).

Never underestimate your enemy. Its hard to say how effective they are, but in theory its always combat ready and well trained army. Could be flop, considering isolation and moronic regime.

I am sure they can dig, shoot and brainwashed enough to follow orders.

 

[TheCracker]

Never underestimate your enemy. Its hard to say how effective they are, but in theory its always combat ready and well trained army. Could be flop, considering isolation and moronic regime.

I am sure they can dig, shoot and brainwashed enough to follow orders.

True, but as @Scaff pointed out at the top of the page, they likely have zero actual combat experience. Even their generals and those that train them will have little to no combat experience, other than a few border skirmishes.

Its all about throwing bodies at your enemy and hoping the sheer numbers are overwhelming enough to make an impact.

 

[Joey D]

True, but as @Scaff pointed out at the top of the page, they likely have zero actual combat experience. Even their generals and those that train them will have little to no combat experience, other than a few border skirmishes.

Its all about throwing bodies at your enemy and hoping the sheer numbers are overwhelming enough to make an impact.

In addition to a lack of combat experience, it's also suspect just how healthy and able-bodied they are. When Oh Chong-song defected in 2017 to South Korea, his body was riddled with parasites. There's also a severe lack of food in North Korea, and while the military probably gets preferential treatment over the average civilian, it's not like the nutrition is good. So no combat experience, poor health and nutrition, a lack of proper equipment, a language barrier, and probably low morale doesn't really make up a stout fighting force.

It's likely North Korea also won't be sending it's best to Russia either. They're going to be fresh recruits or soldiers who aren't vital to the protection of North Korea.

 

[McLaren]

Even the hell hole that is Russia is probably preferable to living in the bigger hell hole that is North Korea. However, all their families are probably being held captive to ensure that they don't desert.

There was a report that possibly 18 had already defected. Super small number, but unsurprising & I'm guessing it'll grow the longer they stay.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

There was a report that possibly 18 had already defected. Super small number, but unsurprising & I'm guessing it'll grow the longer they stay.

There honestly might be a lot of enthusiasm in DPRK to go to this active warzone just to defect.

 

[inCloud]

they likely have zero actual combat experience.

Combat engineering is trainable thing, speed of digging and quality of reinforcements doesn't require combat experience if theory is good enough.

Kinda the same with artillery and missiles.

Infantry combat is completely different thing, but with good enough commanders and solid discipline regiment could be effective.

After all, most of troops at front line didn't have proper training and combat experience other than how to take cover under artillery barrages. Its debatable what is better.

 

[Keef]

Combat engineering is trainable thing, speed of digging and quality of reinforcements doesn't require combat experience if theory is good enough.

As long as the Russian government maintains this opinion then I think we're in good shape.

Combat engineering principles can be taught in a controlled environment, yes. Anything can be taught in a controlled environment. I was taught how to fly jets in a controlled environment, a simulator.

But when you get out on the line and fly the real thing, you are thrown into the fire and quickly learn that operating on the job is much more complex and nuanced than working in a simulator. There are many things we can't control, and we have to learn how to deal with those and problem solve on the fly, literally and figuratively.

Combat engineers have to do that as well. War is one of the least controlled environments that man can create and it is impossible to train for everything imaginable. Combat experience is vital, and frankly the only good thing about the US being in a state of constant conflict is that our soldiers tend to be very good at what they do. Making decisions under pressure - possibly under enemy fire - is a completely different untrainable scenario.

So as long as Russia ignores basic human psychology then Ukraine and its allies are in great shape to keep dragging this out as long as possible.

 

[inCloud]

Combat engineering principles can be taught in a controlled environment, yes. Anything can be taught in a controlled environment. I was taught how to fly jets in a controlled environment, a simulator.

You just said that training ground experience is same as flying simulator. No its not. Training ground experience is same as flying training flight. That's how you got all good pilots and combat engineers.

On country level battle experience is important, that's why I pointed "if theory is good enough". I could imagine that RUAF could send some officers to check how good Koreans are and give them some lessons.

Lets not forget that Ukrainian offence in 23 was stopped by Russian combat engineers, for the most part.

That's doesn't mean N.Koreans are good. They could be good. Its doubtful.