Save "Tookie"?

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Should Arnold Grant Stanley Williams Clemency?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 45.2%

  • No

    Votes: 23 54.8%
  • Total voters
    42
VIPFREAK
But come on the guy has had like 4 or something... so far. :dopey:
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Yeah, that's a bit excessive... but who are we to determine a fixed number of appeals?

Joey
Hence why I said beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Very rarely will there be case that is beyond a shadow of a doubt -- and even then they could still be wrong.

I just don't see the justification for eliminating or limiting the number of appeals based solely on cases that are deemed to be "proven beyond a shadow of a doubt".

The tax money can't be that important.
 
MrktMkr1986
Yeah, that's a bit excessive... but who are we to determine a fixed number of appeals?
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Well... at least in this case it seems if they haven't found a reason to stop execution it's a bit like grasping at stones... That is the reason why swartzinmyass said no anyway.

I'd say in general it should be one trial and one appeal but that's my black and white side talking which won't work if were looking at cases individually.
 
He's all but cooked . His last appeal is to the Supreme court . Baring a stay of execution by them he needs to make his final conversations .
 
"Is Williams’ redemption complete and sincere, or is it just a hollow promise?” Schwarzenegger wrote less than 12 hours before the execution. “Without an apology and atonement for these senseless and brutal killings, there can be no redemption.”

I have to agree with Arnie. Williams has never fessed up to the murders. I'm convinced he's guilty, and the fact that he's never taken responsibility for them closes the case.
 
BlazinXtreme
I work my ass off for my money and I hate seeing it "pissed" away by the government.
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Believe me, I share your sentiments.

Vipfreak
Well... at least in this case it seems if they haven't found a reason to stop execution it's a bit like grasping at stones... That is the reason why swartzinmyass said no anyway.
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:lol:

I'd say in general it should be one trial and one appeal but that's my black and white side talking which won't work if were looking at cases individually.
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True.

Mike
He's all but cooked . His last appeal is to the Supreme court . Baring a stay of execution by them he needs to make his final conversations .
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I don't believe that this will bring closure to the families this man has hurt -- or provide a reasonable deterrent for future murders...like this one practically in my backyard.
 
Haven't read the thread... and I'm not really sure. There are valid arguments to be made both ways; for example:

Pro death penalty:
-Cheaper (especially if it's not dragged out the way this case has been)
-Frees up space in prisons
-Lex Talionis (an eye for an eye)

Anti death penalty:
-Two wrongs != one right (i.e. as flawed creatures ourselves we don't have the right to determine whether another entity should live or die)
-Some chance (not necessarily in this case; i don't know enough about the details to make a statement on this instance) of executing innocent people

So I'm torn. Regardless, I'm EXTREMELY tempted to call the local radio stations and request that they play Queen's 'Another One Bites The Dust' at 12:05am pacific time (in 34 minutes)... :lol:
 
Geeky1
So I'm torn. Regardless, I'm EXTREMELY tempted to call the local radio stations and request that they play Queen's 'Another One Bites The Dust' at 12:05am pacific time (in 34 minutes)... :lol:
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Some how that's not cool, especially after you're comment.
 
I guess CNN was asleep at the wheel.

I know I wanted to see it. I know many others who did too. Fox News got all the ratings, I guess.
 
Well I guess it wasn't actually FOX it was local channel 2 news but it's the same channel they play Family guy on which is FOX. :dunce: At any rate it was the only station covering it.
 
Arnold's reasoning for not granting clemency was that Tookie never admitted himself guilty or apologized for anything that was accused against him.
 
No... but the report of before (what's going on outside) and after (what it was like inside for the select people). :scared: I would never watch the actual event.

s0nny80y
Arnold's reasoning for not granting clemency was that Tookie never admitted himself guilty or apologized for anything that was accused against him.
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I might be getting this mixed up but I think he didn't say HIM but the murders that his gang did?
 
I don't think that's peace prize material to be honest, plus he killed people, that's pretty unpeacful if you ask me.
 
He should be getting his orientation from hells helpers right about now . If not from satan himself .
 
The guards stated, and yes, even the black ones so don't even try to play the race card here, he always acted like a thug. He never changed his behavior while in jail, they claimed. But, they said he sure knew how to draw publicity to himself to try to get him off of death row. It didn't work.

Face it. He was a piece of crap. From start to finish. Good riddance.
 
VIPFREAK
Because he did work while in prison to make kid aware of why being in a gang is bad and keeping them from joining. :dopey:
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And he thought he'd get one? :lol:

Cops do that alot and you don't see them asking for Noble Peace prizes...D*mn, imagine if we had met this guy in person.
 
It is my understanding that the four people Tookie is credited with killing were killed while he was teaching new "bangers" how to do a robbery and not leave any witnesses to identify you later.

IMHO, teaching people to kill, especially to cover up another crime, is pretty heinous.
I didn't know Tookie, or anything about his post incarceration work.
He may have been a decent human at his death.
If that is the case he can meet his maker in peace.
Otherwise, I hope he brought sunscreen, SPF 1000.

As I said earlier; the death penalty may not prevent others from commiting the same crime.
However, recidivism (look it up) becomes much less of a problem.
 
Gil
IMHO, teaching people to kill, especially to cover up another crime, is pretty heinous.
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How is killing someone to protect yourself (NOT to be confused with defend one's self) different, or worse, than killing someone simply because they've become an economic inconvenience? At least you can rationalize the first one.
 
Plague.Ghost
How is killing someone to protect yourself (NOT to be confused with defend one's self) different, or worse, than killing someone simply because they've become an economic inconvenience? At least you can rationalize the first one.
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Umm... he did a crime... he's in our jail that we the tax payer pays for, they get probably better health care and have unbelieveable amount of rights. If there sentence was death then the second one is rationalize very easily. :dopey:
 

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