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Well I would, and not that I'm bragging about my skills but, I think I'm the right choich for group's "front-man"!
(1'43''30 - in dry...)
SCC - Ferrari 348 Challenge Series - Series Complete - Results Posted!
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Well I would, and not that I'm bragging about my skills but, I think I'm the right choich for group's "front-man"!
(1'43''30 - in dry...)
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Just for the record, I tired to research some 'real world' laptimes for this track. The closest, meaning most relevent, I could find was a 2004 Ferrari 360 Challenge (probably a few ticks faster than the 348 Challenge) at 1:41.340. The biggest difference seems to be that in real life, cars don't take the long triple apex right hander anywhere near as fast as we do in the game. (I can't imagine why 
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By comparison, a bone stock Porsche 993 and Toyo RA1 tires managed a 2:00.173.
)By comparison, a bone stock Porsche 993 and Toyo RA1 tires managed a 2:00.173.
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Just for the record, I tired to research some 'real world' laptimes for this track. The closest, meaning most relevent, I could find was a 2004 Ferrari 360 Challenge (probably a few ticks faster than the 348 Challenge) at 1:41.340. The biggest difference seems to be that in real life, cars don't take the long triple apex right hander anywhere near as fast as we do in the game. (I can't imagine why
By comparison, a bone stock Porsche 993 and Toyo RA1 tires managed a 2:00.173.
Yes, the difference is the 1* factor. In the real world you only have one ass ter risk... your own.
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Hey, watch it sonny!
This is Grandma last weekend when you guys were sat in front of your Playstations ...
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Hey, watch it sonny!
This is Grandma last weekend when you guys were sat in front of your Playstations ...
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That's great! Photography is a lovely hobby. So who was driving the boat?
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Hey, watch it sonny!
This is Grandma last weekend when you guys were sat in front of your Playstations ...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=73064&stc=1&d=1273154590
Yeah, I hate when those big kites get away from you. Good thing you were at the beach, it hurts more when you come down on land.
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Manny, just noticed your signature and a funny thing happened. I thought "hey, he isn't finnish, why does he have that saying as his sig?!?"
Then I read it more carefully and I understood. Because my first read was:
"To finish First, first you must be Finnish"
vompatti, if you ever use this please don't forget I created it ... by mistake!
Then I read it more carefully and I understood. Because my first read was:
"To finish First, first you must be Finnish"
vompatti, if you ever use this please don't forget I created it ... by mistake!
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Manny, just noticed your signature and a funny thing happened. I thought "hey, he isn't finnish, why does he have that saying as his sig?!?"
Then I read it more carefully and I understood. Because my first read was:
"To finish First, first you must be Finnish"
vompatti, if you ever use this please don't forget I created it ... by mistake!
Haha, actually I read it the same way first time. But as I am Finnish, I just laughed a little inside and didn't dare to mention it on the forum
But you know, in the past there really was much used phrase in the rally world that was "If you want to win, take a Finn."
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Manny, just noticed your signature and a funny thing happened. I thought "hey, he isn't finnish, why does he have that saying as his sig?!?"
Then I read it more carefully and I understood. Because my first read was:
"To finish First, first you must be Finnish"
vompatti, if you ever use this please don't forget I created it ... by mistake!
Really laughing out loud at that one. Maybe it's because I capitalized to add emphasis... God, I wonder how many people read that and thought, " Hmm, I thought he was a Yank...?"
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Indeed ... being a veryveryveryvery old man, I started to love rallies when the finns arrived. But still witnessed the dominance of the french drivers in their Alpine-Renaults (Jean Pierre Nicolas, Bernard Darniche, Jean Luc Therier, Jean Claude Andruet) and their battle with the italian squad in the Fiat 124 spyder, and later the mighty Lancia Stratos. (Sandro Munari and Rafaelle Pinto are the names that come to mind). But then, from maybe 1975 onwards and throughout the 80's and most of the 90's ... rallying was a finnish affair, with the notable exceptions of Stig Blomqvist, jean Ragnotti and Michelle Mouton, Walter Rohrl, Attilio Bettega, Didier Auriol, Massimo Biasion and a few more.
Anyway, the 70's and the 80's were the golden era of rallying, I'll always miss what it was all about back then.
PS - I was myself a devoted Markku Alen fan
Anyway, the 70's and the 80's were the golden era of rallying, I'll always miss what it was all about back then.
PS - I was myself a devoted Markku Alen fan
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Just for the record, I tired to research some 'real world' laptimes for this track. The closest, meaning most relevent, I could find was a 2004 Ferrari 360 Challenge (probably a few ticks faster than the 348 Challenge) at 1:41.340. The biggest difference seems to be that in real life, cars don't take the long triple apex right hander anywhere near as fast as we do in the game. (I can't imagine why
By comparison, a bone stock Porsche 993 and Toyo RA1 tires managed a 2:00.173.
One of the aspects I look into in order to check how realistic a sim is (although of debateable objectivity) is precisely the comparison between real life lap times and in-game lap times on the same track.
To me, the small difference you found emphatizes (again) how good of a sim this game really is if you compare for instance the lap times of SSV8:NC to real ones, where I believe the difference is as big as 10sec + a lap.
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Anyway, the 70's and the 80's were the golden era of rallying, I'll always miss what it was all about back then.
PS - I was myself a devoted Markku Alen fan
Not seeing them, but as a rally fan I've of course tried to learn something from that era, and it really is a shame how rally looks today compared to those times. But at least the situation can't go to much worse!
Ah, Markku "Max Attack" Alen
Where are the big persons of today's rallying!
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Anyway, the 70's and the 80's were the golden era of rallying, I'll always miss what it was all about back then.
PS - I was myself a devoted Markku Alen fan
OMG You got me that nostalgic feeling ,remembering the old
"Rally de Portugal" and my excursions to Fafe to watch the big jump
at LameirinhaYou guys are killing me with nostalgia:
These are driving skills
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I think it's pretty close. So far as I know, the 348 Challenge, 355 Challenge and 360 Challenge had relatively comparable lap times, with each car in succession being perhaps 1-2 seconds/lap quicker. And if one would do a 'quick' lap in SCC with the the 348 Challenge at Mont Tremblant, without using such extreme camber and toe settings, and without risking life and limb on the first right hander, a 1:44~1:45 lap is probably plenty quick. And right in line with what it should be.
There's only one left. And he has his eyes on Le Mans these days.
Anyway, let's try and keep this thread somewhat on topic. Before we're told to do so.
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Having not ever followed Rally car racing, I'm amazed watching that video that the people are so close to the track. Is that still common now, or have they moved people back or put up barriers?
(Sorry for going a bit off-topic here Jeff)
(Sorry for going a bit off-topic here Jeff)
I understand the sentiment of taking part and not necessarily winning but in all honesty how much 'fun' is it really knowing you're going to be blown away by a core group of people who have taken this game to extremes whereby they have so much time on each track and every conceivable set up tried and tested?
It's just not realistic for those of us with busier lives to compete with that. Unfortunately you just cannot ever stop this happening with online gaming, there are always groups of people who will play certain games obsessively and therefore you can never compete with that, you have to find another way for a more level playing field which is why i think Biggles suggestion is quite a good one, maybe we could have an event for those of us who only get on the game once a week or such like.
One of the major differences with real life racing (apart from the obvious) is that regardless of technical advantages, every competitor gets exactly the same time at the track. No one hammers round a track endlessly looking for every last nuance then turns up at the grand prix and is automatically 4 or 5 seconds faster than the competition lol..
We need an event for those of us who like the game, who are good at it, but not obsessed
It's just not realistic for those of us with busier lives to compete with that. Unfortunately you just cannot ever stop this happening with online gaming, there are always groups of people who will play certain games obsessively and therefore you can never compete with that, you have to find another way for a more level playing field which is why i think Biggles suggestion is quite a good one, maybe we could have an event for those of us who only get on the game once a week or such like.
One of the major differences with real life racing (apart from the obvious) is that regardless of technical advantages, every competitor gets exactly the same time at the track. No one hammers round a track endlessly looking for every last nuance then turns up at the grand prix and is automatically 4 or 5 seconds faster than the competition lol..
We need an event for those of us who like the game, who are good at it, but not obsessed
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I understand the sentiment of taking part and not necessarily winning but in all honesty how much 'fun' is it really knowing you're going to be blown away by a core group of people who have taken this game to extremes whereby they have so much time on each track and every conceivable set up tried and tested?
It's just not realistic for those of us with busier lives to compete with that. Unfortunately you just cannot ever stop this happening with online gaming, there are always groups of people who will play certain games obsessively and therefore you can never compete with that, you have to find another way for a more level playing field which is why i think Biggles suggestion is quite a good one, maybe we could have an event for those of us who only get on the game once a week or such like.
One of the major differences with real life racing (apart from the obvious) is that regardless of technical advantages, every competitor gets exactly the same time at the track. No one hammers round a track endlessly looking for every last nuance then turns up at the grand prix and is automatically 4 or 5 seconds faster than the competition lol..
We need an event for those of us who like the game, who are good at it, but not obsessed
I understand your point. But in all honesty, I feel that although practice is alway positive, there wouldn't be much of a difference by putting 50 or 100 laps. I believe that your limitations, whatever they are set in, would be achieved before.
Taking my example, and I am one of the slowest guys around, picking any track/car combo for the first time (ever or after a long absence) I'm usually 6-7 secs. slower than the World Record set for that specific combo. After 30-40 laps practicing I'm down to 3, 4 or 5 secs behind and that's about it. I've reached my limits. No way I'd dropped another second or so. Only a few tenths if lucky.
As an example, I just started Mont Tremblant practice Monday, and my first lap was 1:46:xxx. Today is 1:43:30 but I do highly doubt I go lower than 1:42:90 (if that much!). My driving skills aren't good enough and that is something beyond the practice. The trick would be consistency and hope that these "flying lunatics" would end up on the gravel every other lap to get close to them.
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If the lobbies allowed for more realistic racing (bigger races, car damage, tyre wear, pits, etc) and larger online grids, I would love the concept of two classes racing simultaneously. In this example, SCC1 cars would be free to tune and SCC2 cars would be stock, with default liveries.
However, I agree with Bullie. I have a 1.42 record in the leaderboard and don't even remember when I did it. I can get to again it after a few races, have no doubt about it. After that, I may eventually improve a few tenths with a few hours more, but:
a) I get bored easily with hotlapping;
b) I'm not THAT competitive by nature.
So, Paul, join the fun, you won't regret it!
However, I agree with Bullie. I have a 1.42 record in the leaderboard and don't even remember when I did it. I can get to again it after a few races, have no doubt about it. After that, I may eventually improve a few tenths with a few hours more, but:
a) I get bored easily with hotlapping;
b) I'm not THAT competitive by nature.
So, Paul, join the fun, you won't regret it!
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Paulzx, there are only 4 or 5 real aliens here and there are 14 drivers in this championship, so if you are a good driver I think your going to have real nice races with racing at your level, even with the aliens, cause they re not machines (not sure of that!) and they do mistakes too! And for the fact that a little group of guys will battle for all the podiums, I will say it's like in real life. In F1, WRC, WTCC, MotoGP, etc.. there are drivers always in front, and the others fighting to be the 1st of the "others"!
Good points but it's not the whole story...
I know that the more laps i get on a track the faster i go, i also know that if i really put time in and tweak setups i can go a lot quicker - but there's no way i'm going to do that for every car/track combo.
I don't believe those who set the world records have superior driving skills, they have superior thumbstick skills maybe, but it's not the same as real driving is it? In the end what they do have is a superior knowledge of how to make the car go quickest on that particular track, including kerb cutting tricks or changes in the racing line, it all adds up to them going faster than you. There is a limit to how many ways you can take a corner in the game, it comes down to more than that but either way the biggest factor i believe is time on the game.
When you're racing online in an organised event, everyone wants to feel at least a little bit competitive or else interest will go out of the window, in my opinion at least.
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Be careful of making these blanket statements. The guys in this competition don't do those things you mentioned. In the races I've been in these guys have beaten me largely because they're better drivers. Some use a controller and some use a wheel. It makes no difference to me. They're good guys without exception, and they are sporting enough to share what they know.
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Paul, we've already discussed this matter privately and for me it's settled. You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it. But for the sake of levity, I think you're making some claims here which are bit disingenuous and unfairly blanketing some of the people here in a negative way.
The whole point of organizing this series was to emulate an actual Ferrari Challenge season and to make the races as close to the real thing as the game allows. But in doing so, the tracks and car are posted long in advance. So it's matter of learning one single car and 5 different tracks. Each of which you have two weeks to practice and find a good setup. Some guys can do that in 30 minutes. For some it takes longer. If some people feel the need to practice for hours on end, well, I'm still in shock but there's nothing I can do to stop it. I for one can tell you, if I would sit down and run 300 laps of this track over the next 3 days, I may be able to improve my time some more, at least on the leaderboard. And I might be better prepared. But when it comes to the actual event, it will likely mean nothing.
And I want to state for the record that this event is governed by GTPlanet's OLR rules. My eyes can't be everywhere but I do video tape every race. And I've raced with most of these guys many times and they're a VERY fair bunch of racers. There is NO corner cutting going on in these events and I wouldn't stand for it if there was. Some of these guys are just very, VERY fast. And I can also tell you, at least several of them race real cars or motorcycles at an amature level and that counts for something. They know that's fair and what isn't.
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Well Paulzx that might even be true but this is a videogame based forum and a specific SCC players thread so the theme is really about driving skills in the Game ,just like it happened in GT5 TT where the driving skills in the game weren't primarily related with the real driving skills that ultimately defined the choice for the Real stuff-but they began there.
And I feel the most of us,at least are here for the fun,and passion for the game,more than for bragging rights or ego Fulfilment.
That said we all like to win but for most of us it is not the main concern in life...👍
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I do have on topic stuff too! No need to reply on this so that the off topic will end, but I simply must comment on this
Without the doubt Loeb is definitely one of the greatest drivers (maybe the greatest), but there is some things that aren't so shiny in his armor. He's had always the best car, his team mate is always working for him even though being fairly competitive himself (junior drivers too, last year Poland 
) and there hasn't been more than couple competitive teams. I myself have more respect towards Tommi's 4 in a row, as he didn't have a competitive team mate helping him and there were 4 competitive teams with very competitive drivers. Just my 2 cents.For this "equal" field of racing. It's just not realistically going to happen on a game and I think this shouldn't be taken that serious either. I see this event more of a race to get everyone on to grid at the same time to have fun. With that little extra tickle in your tummy compared to normal online racing, because it's organized event. (on the other hand, who am I to say, I haven't been on the grid yet
)But if we would want to have a equal field, then simply put up a series with default setup and in every race there is different car and track that would be kept secret until the server is up. It's that simple. But I don't know if that mass crash of first corners is fun.
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I do think it's a bit unfortunate that some people feel the need to run hundreds of practice laps. But that's their decision. It is definitely true that everyone having an opportunity to practice, at least to some extent, means that there is far less crashing & bashing - which is a good thing. It's become pretty clear over the last few weeks what the relative performance of the participating drivers is. That performance IS effected somewhat by the amount of practice time, but the overall results tend to be pretty consistent (ignoring the occasional technical glitches that result in racers being kicked out of the lobby). There is no "cheating" taking place.
I would give it a try Paulzx - you won't find it nearly as bad as you're imagining ...
not true, every circut has track days and testing days virtually every other day, which allows drivers to practice before a race to get the car setup. im heavily involved in motorsport, and i have been an ARDS (association of racing drivers school) motorsports instructor for just over six years and i have proffesional drivers returning to the same circuts every chance they can to practice and gain more knowledge to gain an advantage. its just that in real life your amount of track time is limited by the size of your wallet
just as the other guys say, dont be put off because you dont have the time others do to practice, it the taking part and the enjoyment of racing with a clean and fair bunch of guys who at the end of the day share the same interests.
i can say that you will love every minute of it 👍
speaking of testing days, im off to one tomorrow at oulton park cheshire to help a guy who is racing in the porsche boxster cup, and then on saturday i will be there as he competes in his race. so i will be rushing home to make this race at mount tremblant.
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Yesterday I joined for some online racing and it seems that there still is problems with my setup. It felt quite terrible and I decided to change all values to default but drop the front a bit and lift the rear. It still felt weird and in the after race replay it clearly did show that my car had a lot of camber. Rest of the evening I drove with default setup. Frankly, I'm not quite sure what to do with saturdays race, maybe I'll need to take default livery to get a default setup. One solution could be deleting updates and save files, but I've unlocked all the tracks and cars, so it would be shame to lose all of them. I'll have to think what to do.
I noticed another issue too, I get disconnected from the host often. I think this has something to do with my wlan. It disconnects every thing in this flat for about 1-2 times/hour. It's a really quick disconnection and it hasn't cause problems in any other PS3 game before this. I have to try with a cable and see if that solves the problem. If not, there is no point for me to take part.
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