SCC - Ferrari 348 Challenge Series - Series Complete - Results Posted!

[sarrinen69]

To all those concerned about leaderboard placings, don't be. Remember consistency is the key and the set-up balance between wet and dry conditions.

 

[MannyMoenjack]

To all those concerned about leaderboard placings, don't be. Remember consistency is the key and the set-up balance between wet and dry conditions.

Yes you're right of course. Having the fastest lap doesn't matter if you can't keep it on the track, especially at Mt. Tremblant.

On the other hand, in the couple of Challenge races run so far it's been a useful tool for me to guage whether I'm using a competitive setup and am driving the track correctly. Without it I'd have probably assumed incorrectly, that my 1:26 lap at Homestead and 1:49 lap at Redwood Park were competitive times when they really weren't. So, I guess like most tools the leaderboards are helpful as long as you don't overemphasize their importance... Which now that I think about, it is basically what you just said.

 

[jjaisli]

Following your instruction I was able to chop off almost a full second from my best time and break well into the 1:40's.

👍 Congrats Manny! It's a good feeling, isn't it. Ironically though, I originally had similar braking points to New_Soul at turns 8 & 10 and was able to shave some time by braking earlier! (slower in, faster out) Go figure. But I think this difference comes mainly in how we have our cars set up.

To all those concerned about leaderboard placings, don't be. Remember consistency is the key and the set-up balance between wet and dry conditions.

Yes, you're right. But at the same time, it's a bit frustrating, even being consistent if you know the guy chasing you down (or worse, pulling away in front of you) is doing it at 1~2 seconds a lap. The idea is to be able to find a comfortable rhythm that's quick but just on the clean side of cautious. I think I'm just about there. Although I wish I was just a bit faster. (I suppose everybody can make that claim).

EDIT: At any rate, I think I'm done trying to improve my leaderboard time. Even if I can squeak a few more tenths out of it, they would be 'risky' laps and it's something I'll be trying to avoid during the event. I think I'm at the point where I can put in consistent low to mid 1:41 laps and I'll have to be satisfied with it.

 

[new_soul]

I originally had similar braking points to New_Soul at turns 8 & 10 and was able to shave some time by braking earlier! (slower in, faster out)go figure

yes you're right about turn 10 braking at 100 dose not alow to turn in safe with160 km/h

it must be betvene the shadow on the grass and the100m

turn 8 also, but i cant make my self to brake at 100 not even at 90, losing often time there..

 

[MannyMoenjack]

yes you're right about turn 10 braking at 100 dose not alow to turn in safe with160 km/h

it must be betvene the shadow on the grass and the100m

turn 8 also, but i cant make my self to brake at 100 not even at 90, losing often time there..

Turn 8 is a very difficult turn for me to figure out too. I try to always brake at about the 90m mark. I brake hard at first then lighten up on the brakes gradually, downshift to 3rd and start feeding in power, trying to hold a line as close to the first set of curbing on the right as possible. That part always seems OK.

However, by slowing down and staying to the right-side of the track I find that I'm below the best power-band of 3rd gear, so I downshift again to 2nd gear while accelerating into the turn. I'm only in 2nd gear for maybe 2 seconds before shifting again to 3rd, but if I do it smoothly it seems like the right way to take that corner. Does anyone else drop down into 2nd gear here?

 

[hm66]

Turn 8 is a very difficult turn for me to figure out too. I try to always brake at about the 90m mark. I brake hard at first then lighten up on the brakes gradually, downshift to 3rd and start feeding in power, trying to hold a line as close to the first set of curbing on the right as possible. That part always seems OK.

However, by slowing down and staying to the right-side of the track I find that I'm below the best power-band of 3rd gear, so I downshift again to 2nd gear while accelerating into the turn. I'm only in 2nd gear for maybe 2 seconds before shifting again to 3rd, but if I do it smoothly it seems like the right way to take that corner. Does anyone else drop down into 2nd gear here?

HI
I'm also in 2nd at turn 8 not 10,but i break before the 100 m mark,downshift to 3th imedeately,and into 2th around the 50 to 40 m mark.that is because I need to be off the break before I start to turn in.When I do it right I can start accelerating 1/3 in to the corner,effectually making the straight longer.

 

[MannyMoenjack]

HI
I'm also in 2nd at turn 10,but i break before the 100 m mark,downshift to 3th imedeately,and into 2th around the 50 to 40 m mark.that is because I need to be off the break before I start to turn in.When I do it right I can start accelerating 1/3 in to the corner,effectually making the straight longer.

Yes, that makes sense. ( I assume you meant Turn 8 not Turn 10) I certainly can't argue with your results! Unless you happen to be trading paint with new_soul, you always pull away on that straight.

 

[jjaisli]

HI
I'm also in 2nd at turn 10,but i break before the 100 m mark,downshift to 3th imedeately,and into 2th around the 50 to 40 m mark.that is because I need to be off the break before I start to turn in.When I do it right I can start accelerating 1/3 in to the corner,effectually making the straight longer.

This is exactly what I started to do (Friday night) as well.

 

[bullie77]

Hi guys!

Just to let you know that I had a change on my plans and I will make it to this Saturday's round after all! So count me in (and reserve the last place to me if you will, please!).

 

[vompatti]

So let me see if I understand this...

Well.. Yeah!

But for the wet the less extreme camber and toe settings seem to pay off briging more stability and less oversteering...💡

But I think this was kind of what I was going after for. Thanks for the tips 👍


About the race day. So I heard that Sunday is mothers day (don't look at me like I didn't remember!). On Saturday we are going to visit my wifes grandparents. We should be back in time so that I can make it to the race, but I'm not absolutely sure. But if there is room and I'm allowed in even if I'm late, I would like to join even if it would mean missing qualify or the first race. It would be nice to take part.

 

[new_soul]

wet time 1'43.2

i did say i will not try wet races, when i cant stay on the track for 20 laps in the dry..

yesterday we dad many 7lap and 9 lap races, with MHM, Kux, and Fingers and others, they were very consistant, at one point i was of the track and had lost about 6 sec to MHM, i was caching him all race long 7, 8 laps, did times in the 1'39 and 1'39.0 and at the end behinde MHM was abel fo cach drag on the backsrraight and on the other lap was abel to stay in touch trough the S turns and had som drag going out of the last turn to go 1'39.01

I imagine that one off track moment can be cached up in a 20 laper , but if that mistake made twice the chances of caching up fade away...


Is that set-up in manny's profile spreading already, i use now 0.1 les camber, works better in the dry, may be good im the wet to, will finde out in the evening..

 

[jjaisli]

Bienvenue à Mont Tremblant...

And welcome to the 3rd round of the "1994" Ferrari 348 Challenge Season from Le Circuit Mont Tremblant, Quebec, Canada.

This event will start at 20:00 GMT on Saturday, May 8th. Remember, GMT does NOT take summer time into account so please double check your local time!

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QUALIFYING: 2 laps - conditions 50% dry/wet chosen at random. * see below for details.
RACE 1 (Feature Race): - 20 Laps - Dry
RACE 2 (Sprint Race): 15 Laps - Wet

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This information is already posted on the first page but I'm also reposting it here for the convenience of any newcomers. If you're not familiar with the rules for this event, please read carefully! Please also remember that GTPlanet's OLR Rules apply. Please click here to read them in their entirety. Some of the rules listed do not apply specifically to this game. But most of them should be simple common sense.

I will first open a PSN Text Chat room under my PSN ID: jjaisli approximately 5~10 minutes before the event starts and will first send invites to those on my buddy list who are on-line and have expressed an interest in joining this series. You must first join the text chat to take part in the race. If anybody new would like to join, provided there's space in the lobby (16 players or less), you're more than welcome. Just send me a PSN message and I'll send you an invite in return. However, considering the points will carry over from one event to the next, I would like to encourage those who want to join this series to try and show up for every race. Once everybody is securely in the text chat room, I will open a private lobby in Supercar Challenge and then send invites to those already in the text chat window.


LOBBY CONDITIONS
TC: Off
ABS: Off
SC: Off
RL: Off
Transmission: Automatic (which will allow you to choose manual, semi or full auto)
Collisons: Off after penalty except during qualifying (see below for details)
Penalties: unlimited
Setup Restrictions: NONE! You're free to set up the car as you wish.
Grid Order: * see below


QUALIFYING
We will have a two lap qualifying session before the feature race in order to determine grid order. For the first lap, please start off immediately to avoid a penalty but then drive moderately until you build a gap of a least 4~5 seconds to the car in front of you. However, I ask that the first person on the grid, set off at a 'quick' pace to avoid stragglers on his flying lap, who are still trying to build a gap. The second time time across the start/finish line will be your one and only qualifying lap. Collisions will be off during qualifying. If for some reason you have an accident or fall off the track, PLEASE continue your lap and do not go back to the lobby. The following Sprint Race will be run in reverse finishing order from the feature race! Qualifying could be run in either wet or dry conditions and will be chosen at Random before the event starts. Keep it on the track and try to avoid RED laps, which will relegate you to the back of the grid.


POINTS
Points will be awarded as follows:
Feature Race
1st place: 25 points
2nd place: 20 points
3rd place: 16 points
4th place: 13 points
5th place: 11 points
6th place: 10 points
7th place: 9 points
8th place: 8 points
9th place: 7 points
10th place: 6 points
11th place: 5 points
12th place: 4 points
13th place: 3 points
14th place: 2 points
15th place: 1 point
With an additional 1 point going to the fastest lap holder.

Sprint Race
1st place: 12 points
2nd place: 10 points
3rd place: 8 points
4th place: 6 points
5th place: 5 points
6th place: 4 points
7th place: 3 points
8th place: 2 points
9th place: 1 points
With an additional 1 point going to the fastest lap holder. Watch your red lines.

As a final word of warning, larger lobbies almost always suffer some kind of connection problem, the most common being 2 or more players not being able to successfully connect together in the lobby. However, there is a work-around. I encourage EVERYBODY to read through this thread and take appropriate steps. Even if you believe your connection is fast/secure/quick/trouble free, etc, you may unwittingly be preventing somebody else from joining.

See you soon... 👍


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[MannyMoenjack]

Is that set-up in manny's profile spreading already, i use now 0.1 les camber, works better in the dry, may be good im the wet to, will finde out in the evening..

I thought so too! I adjusted the front and rear back just a tiny bit to get better wet performance. It's a really great setup. Thanks! 👍



Edit: I also changed my livery for the Mont Tremblant race. Look! I got sponsors!

 

[l449kux]

I thought so too! I adjusted the front and rear back just a tiny bit to get better wet performance. It's a really great setup. Thanks! 👍



Edit: I also changed my livery for the Mont Tremblant race. Look! I got sponsors!

how did you manage to get those sponsor logos? it looks good 👍 im also sporting a new livery, will post the pics up soon

 

[arvore]

Beautiful work Manny:tup:👍👍

 

[vompatti]

Edit: I also changed my livery for the Mont Tremblant race. Look! I got sponsors!

Nice! I might have to copy some sponsors from you if you don't mind. I was just the other day thinking about car-related sponsors that would be easy to implement and then you show up with Koni and BBS 👍

 

[jjaisli]

Great job Manny! Very impressive. It takes a lot of work putting some of those logos together.

 

[MannyMoenjack]

Great job Manny! Very impressive. It takes a lot of work putting some of those logos together.

Thanks guys. I actually kind of enjoy messing around with this editor. The only problem is occasionally the game freezes and I lose anything I haven't saved.

Of course the real problem other than the time involved in making the logos is that, the Shell logo for instance, has 14 layers. It doesn't take too many logos to eat up all 51 layers.

 

[bullie77]

wet time 1'43.2..

There's no faster and easier way to be severely depressed and willing to throw yourself from a bridge other than racing some of you guys in SCC! HOW THE HELL DO YOU MANAGE TO MAKE 1:39.01 in the dry and 1:43.20 in the WET?!

I'm struggling hard to be consistent in 1:44 laps on DRY!

 

[new_soul]

There's no faster and easier way to be severely depressed and willing to throw yourself from a bridge other than racing some of you guys in SCC! HOW THE HELL DO YOU MANAGE TO MAKE 1:39.01 in the dry and 1:43.20 in the WET?!

I'm struggling hard to be consistent in 1:44 laps on DRY!

Its all down to practice.. lately i do up to 100 laps a day if i have the time, time trail and online with Kux MHM and Fingers ,Manny.. and others...


Kux, Manny and Fingers are in the 1'40's they all do very much running in Montrblant with the 348 with a little more practice they'll go in to the 1'39's they already scraching it..

I think Kux is doing even more laps than i, judging from the time he is in the game..

Its a grate feeling to know every tiny bit of the track, every braking point, apex and the fastest line trough every corner of the track.

 

[l449kux]

yeah new soul im putting in over 150 laps a day on this circut, my fast laps have come down considerably but im now working on the more important matter of making my laps consistant. i find that doing such fast laps lead to big offs when i get it only slighlty wrong. its a matter of finding a line between both fast and consistant.

heres my new livery....

 

[Hun200kmh]

... lately i do up to 100 laps a day ....

yeah new soul im putting in over 150 laps a day on this circut ...

I need to get myself a mandolin or learn to cook oatmeal raisin cookies properly ...


PS - Nice liveries, btw! 👍

 

[arvore]

I need to get myself a mandolin or learn to cook oatmeal raisin cookies properly ...


PS - Nice liveries, btw! 👍

I feel exactly the same...





should we start a band?????

 

[jjaisli]

I need to get myself a mandolin or learn to cook oatmeal raisin cookies properly ...


PS - Nice liveries, btw! 👍

Oh come on now! Biggles may be hedging his bets by tricking people into driving more cautiously (read slower). But at least he isn't...you know...running away or anything...

Anyway, I agree. Some very nice looking liveries out there.

 

[vompatti]

I returned to Mont Tremblant today after my trip to Challenge Series and I have to say that I'm actually a bit irritated of the tuning system. It rewards the most freakiest setups without any contrast to real word. And I have to say that to me, it takes away part of the joy from the driving. It's not nice when the fastest setup is the one that wobbles around like crazy, suspension travel ends all the time and your tires point towards the moon. But no worries, just keep it on the track and it's the fastest setup!

 

[jjaisli]

I returned to Mont Tremblant today after my trip to Challenge Series and I have to say that I'm actually a bit irritated of the tuning system. It rewards the most freakiest setups without any contrast to real word. And I have to say that to me, it takes away part of the joy from the driving. It's not nice when the fastest setup is the one that wobbles around like crazy, suspension travel ends all the time and your tires point towards the moon. But no worries, just keep it on the track and it's the fastest setup!

Unfortunately, there's a lot of truth to this statement. And it's for this reason, among others, that I really had to think about allowing setup changes for this series. And if the pros really outweighed the cons. If this game only took tire wear into account, most of us would be going through tires after just a few laps and we'd be forced into more realistic compromises.

 

[new_soul]

I returned to Mont Tremblant today after my trip to Challenge Series and I have to say that I'm actually a bit irritated of the tuning system. It rewards the most freakiest setups without any contrast to real word. And I have to say that to me, it takes away part of the joy from the driving. It's not nice when the fastest setup is the one that wobbles around like crazy, suspension travel ends all the time and your tires point towards the moon. But no worries, just keep it on the track and it's the fastest setup!

Yes... it is not so acurate as gt5p ore som other sim games, the setup's in SCC are very basic and limited, its not a science to figure ir out like GT.

Like any other car, or game, you have to get familiar whit it, different other needs a different setup.

The setup's in SCC are a little extreme, but they are just mumbers to me, everything works, you can feel soft and hard suspensions, height effect on the traction and the camber balance adjustments so the motivation to finde the set up is there, unles you want to copy a setup from another game ore real world, because there are different physics and accuracy levels.

 

[vompatti]

I couldn't help myself and I went on to do another livery...

 

[arvore]

Can't You guys just drive well...You have to do those beautiful liveries also

Great job Lassi:tup:👍👍



BTW nice enjoyable racing tonight guys:tup:

This game is rising up from the ashes,like Fenix, lot's of new faces(and fast ones)..err,voices

And the return of some Veterans too:tup:

 

[l449kux]

thats a brilliant livery vompatti!! i love it! looking forward to seeing this one in the race 👍👍👍