SCC - Ferrari 348 Challenge Series - Series Complete - Results Posted!

[MannyMoenjack]

I drove with a wrong line into the corner, drove too much over kerb and my car started to bounce like crazy and I went off. At this point I was pretty angry to myself. Manny and jjaisli flew by me. mhm66 was still quite far away behind me, so I figured that I still had a chance to go for the victory. While Manny and jjaisli were battling, they had a little side-to-side contact and jjaisli went off. Then I was chasing only Manny. Eventually I did catch him and we swapped positions.

I saw you off the track on the short straight and figured that was what had happened to you Vompatti, but I don't think Jeff and I ever actually touched. Of course, I'll need to wait for the video, because it all blurs a bit in my memory...

I still didn't have my driving together and Manny was pushing behind me, forcing me to make more mistakes. But at some point he vanished from my mirror and mhm66 was the one behind me. There were only few laps left, so I started to push to keep the distance big enough. Gladly I was able to do that, so I drove to the flag 1st. Wop. Not good drive by me at all, but others had problems too and it helped me a lot

Yeah, I definately did vanish! Going into Nascar bend right on your bumper I lost track of my braking point (because someone had taken out the 50m sign) and ended up in the grass. All I can say is that it's a good thing my microphone was off... I was really angry with myself for that one and it really affected my driving for the next several laps. In the end I was happy to get 3rd, but feel lucky that Jeff was having tough day too or he surely would have gotten past me.

I was 4th with Manny in front of me. But he was way ahead of me, I would've needed to catch him 1s/lap but he didn't let me do that. So 4th in the finish-line.

I saw that at the halfway point (Lap 7) you were 10.4 seconds behind me and only slightly faster, but I was just not sharp in the Sprint race and got a penalty (at the S-turns) and a couple of slow exits from the last turn. By the last couple of laps you had closed the gap to 3.5 seconds! So I pulled myself together and had a couple of decent laps at the end to hold onto the podium spot. That was a tough race for me.

 

[hm66]

Hi guys
That was some great races(thx to jeff for organicing)
Here is the first video.

First race.part 1
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part 2
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part 3
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part 4
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Here's the first 10 min.of the wet race.
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[jjaisli]

Supercar Challenge - Ferrari Challenge Series - 348 Challenge Season

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Event No 4 : May 23rd, 2010 - 20:00 GMT - Virginia International Raceway (VIR) - RACE RECAP


I want to thank everybody who participated in the fourth round of the Ferrari 348 Challenge Series from VIR. We had some difficulties in the lobby today and unfortunately, newcomer GTP_Devie suffered the brunt of this, something for which I feel quite badly as he had to get up at 6:00 am Monday morning in Australia to make this race. Even switching to a hardwired connection didn't solve the problem. I'm guessing distance combined with an incompatibility with somebody else in the lobby is to blame. Very unfortunate. None-the-less, I want to express my appreciation for the nice clean racing and good sportsmanship. As usual, I had a lot of fun putting this event together and enjoyed the build up leading to the race weekend..


QUALIFYING: 2 laps - conditions 50% dry/wet chosen at random

I flipped a coin and heads meant it was dry qualifying for the third time this season. I was able to set a relatively clean lap but unfortunately it lacked precision and could have been quicker. (Note to self--do NOT play Dirt2 the day before without going back doing some practice laps to get back into the swing of SCC).

1) - mhm66 - enzo - 1:30.10
2) - new_soul - UKOG - 1:30.31
3) - vompatti - ILRT - 1:30.54
4) - MannyMoenJack1 - Jackrabit Racing - 1:31.06
5) - jjaisli - Forza G27 - 1:31.38
6) - kemp1010 - MX - 1:31.75
7) - SimcoeAce - Mad Dogs - 1:32.95
8) - GTP_bullie77 - Lusitania Racing - 1:34.29
9) - frawe - Frawe - 1:35.47
10) - arovre - Mandolin Club R - 1:36.76
11) - FINGERSANDTHUMBS - Creative - 1:37.08
12) - GTP_Hun - T L Team - RTD
13) - GTP_Devie - RTD

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RACE 1 (Feature Race): - 20 Laps - Dry

I started the feature race 5th on the grid but had a great launch and was able to just edge ahead of Manny (the 4th car) going into the braking zone. It looked like new_soul went a little wide going into the first corner and it forced mhm to go wide and cut off Vompatti's line up the outside. I thought I could immediately take advantage as I braked a bit early but new_soul suddenly darted back to the inside and I had to brake hard to avoid him. (We touched slightly anyway). So not only was I unable to get by this train, but it allowed Manny, taking a wide line, to pass up the outside. Things happen quickly in racing.

From there I settled back a bit and on the beginning of lap 2, I had a good run on Manny down the long straight. But it took longer to get around him than I was hoping and I left my braking just a little bit too late to avoid Vompatti, who had braked just a bit too early and I understeered into the corner and pushed him a bit wide at the apex. Still, this was not his fault and I let him retake the position on the next corner. It appears Manny also went off there but I'm not sure how.

Coming up to start lap 3, I saw new_soul had gone off and Vompatti and I were able to get around him. I also used the benefit of the draft to get around Vompatti on the front straight. I also braked a bit late here but this time was able to make it stick. Things were going quite well but on lap 4, new_soul was disconnected and shortly there after, Arvore. The barrage of PSN messages was making it difficult to concentrate and to top it off, I had Vompatti breathing down my neck. Suddenly, into the back esses, I saw mhm66 off on the grass and my first thought was that everybody was dropping out of the lobby and those still racing were deciding to quit and go back to the lobby. I had to risk a glance at the position indicator to make sure there weren't just the 3 of us left racing. But at that moment, I saw I was actually leading the race and there were 10 other cars so I decided to continue, assuming Henrik went off on his own.

At that point, I had Vompatti directly behind me and I was trying to take conservative lines around the 'Hog Pen' so I didn't throw it all away and as a result, he was able to easily draft me down the main straight and I had no chance to outbrake him. That lap, we both had some 'wobbly' lines and it allowed Manny to close up the gap behind us.

At the end of lap 7, I had a nasty bobble around the hog pen. I didn't go off the road but I lost time and it allowed Manny to get past me down the straight. All of this will be in the first 10 minute YouTube video--VERY exciting stuff! The positions stayed static but at the end of lap 8, I had yet another bobble around the hog pen and it allowed Manny (who I had been trailing by < 1 second) to pull away and put more than 2 seconds on me into turn 1. But I was putting in a strong lap at that point and managed to take about 0.75 out of his lead and he made a small mistake braking for turn 1 on lap 10 and I was able to close again to < 1 second. Coming down the back straight toward the uphill right hander, I was surprised to see Vompatti had gone off and he was gracious enough to stay to the side of the track and not make his car "wide". Manny and I were both passed him into the braking zone.

I had a good run on Manny down the the long straight but I wasn't close enough to attempt a pass. However, he went a bit long on braking and ran a bit wide and I immediately saw my chance and pounced. Sort of. On lap 11 at exactly 0:18.38 seconds into the lap, I was going into the Nascar bend when Manny and I had contact. I thought I was going into the corner wide and had left Manny enough room. In fact, I suspected, as he had the inside line, that he would be able to repass me again going into the next apex. But sometimes these things happen in racing. Our cars made contact and I was shoved off the track and into the wall. By the time I made back on track, I was about 6 seconds behind Vompatti and Henrik was only a few seconds behind me and closing in fast. I completed the agony at the end of lap 12 with yet another small mistake at Hog Pen, allowing mhm to get a run on me and pass me into turn one. So here I had gone from 1st to 4th pretty quickly. (sigh). I tried hard to stay with Henrik but trying to match his pace was just getting me in trouble so I backed off slightly and tried to consolidate what I had.

Form there until lap 17, my race was pretty boring and lonely. But I suddenly noticed that Henrik had gotten ahead of Manny and by the time the gap stabilized, Manny was only 3 seconds head of me. For the last 3 laps, I tried as hard as I could to catch up to him and by the first corner of the final lap, he was only about 0.20 ahead of me. Alas, he held up under the pressure and a last ditch dive around the hog pen yielded no results and I finished about 0.75 behind him in 4th. None-the-less, it was a GREAT few laps.

Feature Race Results:

1) - vompatti - ILRT - 1:29.45 - 25
2) - mhm66 - enzo - 1:29.34 - 21
3) - MannyMoenjack1 - Jackrabit Racing - 1.29.51 - 16
4) - jjaisli - Forza G27 - 1:29.58 - 13
5) - kemp1010 - MX - 1:30.26 - 11
6) - SimcoeAce - Mad Dogs - 1:30.49 - 10
7) - GTP_Hun - T L Team - 1:30.69 - 9
8) - GTP_bullie77 - Lusitania Racing - 1:32.94 - 8
9) - FINGERSANDTHUMBS - Creative - 1:32.73 - 7
10) - frawe - Frawe - 1:35.24 - 6
11) - arvore - Mandolin Club R - RTD - 5
12) - new_soul - UKOG - RTD - 4
13) - GTP_Delvie - Devie TeamRacing - RTD - 3

Total Race Time: 30 minutess, 22 seconds

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* This concludes the feature race video. I edited out about a lap where I was running on my own so that I could truncate the entire race down to 3 videos.

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RACE 2 (Sprint Race): 15 Laps - Wet


Arvore, new_soul and Devie were invited back into the lobby and we set off in reverse grid order for the sprint race. The start was a bit chaotic but people really behaved themselves. There was some good, hard, but fair racing on the first lap. I managed to remove myself from the fracas in the esses by getting a penalty (the result of following too close to Frawe and not watching my lines). At one point I had been up to 8th but coming across the start, finish line for the first time, I found myself in 10th, exactly where I started.

I hope to have the videos published, latest by tomorrow because they're quite nail biting and at times, a bit humorous. And I suppose it's better to let the video speak for itself rather than over-analyze it.

At the end of lap 2, I had a bit of a dice going with Bullie. I was sure he was going to fly off the track at Hog Pen and I stuck tight to the inside. But when I realized he was going to make it, I was completely on the wrong line and I had to take to the grass to avoid putting Vompatti out, who had the correct line and was overtaking me on the outside. This also allowed Kemp to come through. I'm guessing Kemp and Bullie had a bit of a coming together coming out of turn one. But the next thing I knew I was back following Vompatti and they were far behind.

Not long after, Devie was kicked from the lobby again. I knew he mentioned he had hard wired his PS3 in the meantime so I'm really quite annoyed that he was unable to stay connected.

At the start of lap 5, I found myself in 7th, about 0.5 behind Vompatti who was about 0.5 behind Biggles in 5th. I made a rather desperate lunge down the inside into turn one and Vompatti was having none of it and easily went underneath me on the exit. Braking for the sharp up-hill right hander, Vompatti was passed SimcoeAce up the inside and they had a slight coming together. Biggles looked like he had a bobble and lost some time. I tried foolishly to take advantage of this and pass in an area where I really shouldn't. We had a slight coming together and I went off the track but was lucky enough to be able to end up back on the tarmac, just behind Biggles without having lost too much time. A few corners later, Biggles got up on the curb and slid wide at corner 14A.

On lap 7, I managed to pass Arvore, which put me into 5th. (I was just lucky that I came up behind him with good momentum and was able to do it in place where I could pass. Biggles was not so lucky. I had been making a lot of driving errors up until that point and he had managed to say ~ 1 second or less behind me for 2 laps and it's dangerously close. But once he started battling Arvore, it slowed both of them down.

Unfortunately, I just didn't have the pace to keep Vompatti in my sights and at that point, the leaders were far out of reach. So this is effectively where I finished the race. I realized, after relaxing my pace during the feature race, that I lost a chance to catch Manny (effectively my closest rival in the championship standings) and I wasn't about to let it happen again. Unfortunately, by pushing too hard, I was making too many mistakes and it was compromising my pace. This was highlighted on lap 10, once again at the dreaded hog pen, where I left the road and had to take to the wet grass, threading the throttle and slowly, painfully slowly, getting back on track as I watched Arvore and Biggles close the gap behind me. Unfortunately for me, nobody in front of me made any big mistakes. But to be realistic, I was probably too far behind to capitalize on them.


Sprint Race Results:

1) - new_soul - UKOG - 1:32.09 - 13
2) - mhm66 - enzo - 1:33.01 - 10
3) - MannyMoenjack1 - Jackrabit Racing - 1:33.66 - 8
4) - vompatti - ILRT - 1:33.14 - 6
5) - jjaisli - Forza G27 - 1:33.38 - 5
6) - SimcoeAce - Mad Dogs - 1:34.53 - 4
7) - arvore - Mandolin Club R - 1:35.41 - 3
8) - kemp1010 - MX - 1:34.92 - 2
9) - GTP_Hun - T L Team - 1:34.56 - 1
10) - FINGERSANDTHUMBS - Creative - 1:35.29 - 0
11) - GTP_bullie77 - Lusitania Racing - 1:37.63 - 0
12) - frawe - Frawe - 1:39.25 - 0
13) - GTP_Delvie - Devie TeamRacing - RTD - 0

Total Race Time: 23 minutes, 30 seconds

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Final (combined) Results from Round 4:
1) - mhm66 - enzo - 31
2) - vompatti - ILRT - 27
3) - MannyMoenjack1 - Jackrabit Racing - 24
4) - jjaisli Forza - G27 - 18
5) - SimcoeAce - Mad Dogs - 14
6) - new_soul - UKOG - 13
7) - kemp1010 - MX - 13
8) - GTP_Hun - T L Team - 10
9) - arvore - Mandolin Club R - 8
10) - GTP_bullie77 - Lusitania Racing - 8
11) - FINGERSANDTHUMBS - Creative - 7
12) - frawe - Frawe - 6
13) - GTP_Devie - Devie Team Racing - 3


As expected, mhm's consistency and new_soul's bad luck, has pushed Henrik to the lead, over a very impressive 2nd place performance from Vompatti who showed good speed and consistency despite his lack of practice. A good showing also from Manny who was able to put in a very consistent performance . Likewise, kudos to Biggles and kemp with new_soul winning the sprint race in impressive fashion. All in all, an impressive performance on what's likely the most difficult track in this game, under trying circumstances. And very unfortunate luck to Devie, who had the speed in practice to impress everybody. We'll write it off as a technical failure, his Aussie pit crew likely bolting his tires on 'upside down'.


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Points Standings after 4 rounds:

1) - mhm66 - Enzo - 102
2) - new_soul - UKOG - 96
3) - MannyMoenjack1 - Jackrabit Racing - 83
4) - jjaisli - Forza G27 - 79
5) - Mhailwood - Steve Soper - 61
6) - vompatti - ILRT - 55
7) - SimcoeAce - Mad Dogs - 52
8) - GTP_bullie77 - Lusitania Racing - 36
9) - GTP_Hun - T & L Team - 29
10) - arvore - team tgv - 28
11) - frawe - Frawe - 27
12) - L449KUX - TheRacingElite - 22
13) - kemp1010 - MX - 18
14) - FINGERSANDTHUMBS - Creative - 14
15) - drivatar - team forza - 11
16) - turnupdaheat - ScudEire - 9
17) - Hairy-Dave - Time for Tea - 5
18) - GTP_Devie - Devie Team Racing - 4

After four rounds, we start to see where consistency AND speed pays off. Mhm66 is now leading the serious, due in part to some bad luck from new_soul. MHailwood's unfortunate absence means that he was unable to consolidate his position. And Manny's extra "push" (no pun intended ) means he's now overtaken me in the point standings. Well done. We have one round left in two weeks and it's everybody's LAST chance to score some points. See you at Mugello!

 

[MannyMoenjack]

On lap 11 at exactly 0:18.38 seconds into the lap, I was going into the Nascar bend when Manny and I had contact. I thought I was going into the corner wide and had left Manny enough room. In fact, I suspected, as he had the inside line, that he would be able to repass me again going into the next apex. But sometimes these things happen in racing. Our cars made contact and I was shoved off the track and into the wall.

As I mentioned in the response to Vompatti above, I never had any idea I'd made contact with you at all. To be honest, I don't even recall wondering what happened to you until I got onto the short straight and could glance down at the gap readout.

Damn, I know this kind of thing happens in online racing, but I really hate that I put you off the track. I am really sorry about that Jeff. (I both look forward to, and dread seeing the next video. )

 

[bullie77]

Thanks Jeff for the races last night!

Feature Race
I started in 8th and had a good start coming in turn 1 in 6th. I lost that to 7th by the snake, and a lap later or so, Biggles and Hun passed me, sending me to 9th position, with Arvore in 8th, 2 seconds ahead. I pushed it and in turn 1 in lap 6 or so I was on is tail, very proud of myself and starting to think where would I push it to make the pass when he simply "puff" - vanished in front of me, like been abducted by aliens!

The rest was a no story race always in 8th till the end behind Hun. I managed some times to drop de distance from 12 secs to 7s but at the end, because I had a big advantage to fingersandthumbs, and tired of seeing nothing else but free tarmac, I made a number os stupid mistakes by lack of focus. Ended 8th still, 20 something seconds behind Hun and 12 seconds or so ahead of Fingersandthumbs.

Sprint race (wet)

I practically didn't practice in the wet. I had however a good start and gained 1 position, which made me 5th by turn 1. I managed to hold on in 7th or 8th until the braking for turn 1 when I believe I was actually hit from behind by every car that followed me - people really! wet races increase braking distances. BRAKE EARLIER!

I was spun of and dropped to last place. When I came back to the track I was already 12 seconds behind Frawe and from frustration (I was this close of quitting) the next 4 or 5 laps where rich in amazingly stupid mistakes in my driving. Only when Hendrick overlapped me by mid race (!) I managed to put it all together and started driving better. I was behind Frank 25 seconds!

I eventualy did get him and passed him by lap 12 or 13, but was to lat to go after FINGERSANDTHUMBS, which was about 7 seconds ahead.

Nevertheless, coming in end of round 4 and managed to be in 8th position with 36 points (mid-table) is a satisfatory result to me. However I'll likely loose some spots and finish probably behind 12th position since this was my last event in this series - I'll be in holiday by the time of the Mugello event.

See you all back on track on the F355 Challenge Series with my Martini-Racing F355 Challenge!

 

[jjaisli]

As I mentioned in the response to Vompatti above, I never had any idea I'd made contact with you at all. To be honest, I don't even recall wondering what happened to you until I got onto the short straight and could glance down at the gap readout.

Damn, I know this kind of thing happens in online racing, but I really hate that I put you off the track. I am really sorry about that Jeff. (I both look forward to, and dread seeing the next video. )

No worries Manny. I've driven with you enough to know that you're a clean racer and that's not your style. I have to admit, immediately following the contact, I was a bit miffed but within a few seconds, I realized it was likely:

A) From my perspective it looked like I came into the corner, ahead of you by a nose and tried to take a wide line to give you room. But perhaps from your perspective perhaps you saw it differently.
B) There was a bit of lag involved and perhaps you thought you were ahead and didn't see me.

I've now posted the video VIR Dry 2 and you can see it between 5:30 and 6:00 minutes. It looks a little damning but remember, this is how "I" saw the incident. From your perspective, you probably saw it differently. I've long since said, the previous to last patch did a lot to improve collision detection but there are times when two cars make contact and only one car is aware of it. I'm sure if you had seen it the same way, you would have waited. And at any rate, this is often part of real racing. When two cars are fighting for the same piece of real estate, entering a corner at high speed, often one loses. So we'll just call it a 'racing incident' and move on. It happens. No problem 👍

Sprint race (wet)

I practically didn't practice in the wet. I had however a good start and gained 1 position, which made me 5th by turn 1. I managed to hold on in 7th or 8th until the braking for turn 1 when I believe I was actually hit from behind by every car that followed me - people really! wet races increase braking distances. BRAKE EARLIER!

See you all back on track on the F355 Challenge Series with my Martini-Racing F355 Challenge!

Sergio, I don't want to make this sound like a criticism, but I've now posted the Wet 1 video and you should watch it. It's more comical than anything. I don't think anybody really hit you from braking too late (well, maybe initially), but the problem is, once you were off-line, you just seemed to be on the "wrong line" everywhere and seemed to be knocked around like a pinball. But if you follow the video, I think in most cases, people were just...caught out, for lack of a better term with the position of your car. Watch it now and see if it doesn't put the situation into better perspective.

Either way, I'm sorry you won't make it for the finale. But you can start practicing Monza in the 355 and get a head start.

 

[new_soul]

My sunday begun on 7'00 then i worked until 18'30 had a bear and waited for the event 23'00. in the sprint race i was multiple times of the track, more to the end, and in the races after the event i was fighting for last positions, had som crashes it was almoust 3'00.. was very tired and got worse.


It seams that i was having conection problems, i was kicked out of Henriks and Arvore lobby..

 

[arvore]

Things were going quite well but on lap 4, new_soul was disconnected and shortly there after, Arvore.

Feature Race
I started in 8th and had a good start coming in turn 1 in 6th. I lost that to 7th by the snake, and a lap later or so, Biggles and Hun passed me, sending me to 9th position, with Arvore in 8th, 2 seconds ahead. I pushed it and in turn 1 in lap 6 or so I was on is tail, very proud of myself and starting to think where would I push it to make the pass when he simply "puff" - vanished in front of me, like been abducted by aliens!

I had a red lap at the qualify(went off at the rollercoaster section-which it's usual on me-and started at the back.After the usual confusion of the initial laps I found myself between Kemp(at the front) and Bullie(close behind) and thought to myself that it was going to be an interesting race between players of the same "championship" but as Bullie well describes it...puff I was abducted by the annoying connection issues...

Well went to grab some dinner-there is always a positive side to everything in life-and waited for the Wet race in which my main concern was to avoid mistakes and off track incursions...I've tried to stay out of the way of the faster drivers who were caughting up with me-Manny then Lassi and later on Jeff and Biggles-and managed to do a slow but safe race,only went off-at the rollercoaster,where else -once in the last lap when I tryed to force my pace to catch Biggles but lucky for me the gap to Kemp was big enought to return to the tarmac in the same position

 

[vompatti]

Ok, here is the setup that I used in Virginia. I was planning on posting it before the race, but I simply didn't have time to do it. When I was watching videos from mhm66 and jjaisli, it seemed that you guys were able to drive over kerbs much more than I was. For my setup they were a little death traps. Or then I simply didn't attack them correctly. But I would be very interested to hear your setups

Setup: Front / Rear
Springs: Soft / Soft
Dampers: Soft / Soft
Roll Bars: Hard / Hard
Ride Height: -0.030 / +0.030
Camber: -4.00 / -3.20
Toe: +0.20 / -0.02


Edit: Hmm, not sure if the rear/front are correctly on camber values. Anyway, max - in front and rear.

 

[jjaisli]

I just finished uploading the 3rd video from the Feature race and added it to my recap post. Wet 2 is being processed and wet 3 will have to wait until tonight as I didn't have time to upload it before leaving for work.

You were right Vompatti, our setup differed in one important area. Here's mine:

Setup: Front / Rear
Springs: Soft / Soft
Dampeners: Soft / Soft
Roll Bars: Hard / Hard
Ride Height: +0.005 / + 0.030
Camber: -4.00 / -3.00
Toe: -0.07 / 0.0

The lowered front ride height made you quick on the straight with better aero (that's why I kept making those desperate lunges on you because I couldn't get close enough) but the increased front (1) shortened my braking distance slightly and more importantly (2) made it much easier (although still dangerous) to attack the curbs. In this way, it was obvious I was gaining on you and Manny through snake, although of course it was dependent on taking a good line through 5/5A. It wasn't the 'quickest' setup but I felt more confident like this.

All things considered, I still made too many mistakes. That final turn 17 (Hog Pen) is a complete bear.

My sunday begun on 7'00 then i worked until 18'30 had a bear and waited for the event 23'00....

Bear =

Beer =

Of course, we don't really know what you do for fun in Latvia...

 

[MannyMoenjack]

No worries Manny. I've driven with you enough to know that you're a clean racer and that's not your style. I have to admit, immediately following the contact, I was a bit miffed but within a few seconds, I realized it was likely:

A) From my perspective it looked like I came into the corner, ahead of you by a nose and tried to take a wide line to give you room. But perhaps from your perspective perhaps you saw it differently.
B) There was a bit of lag involved and perhaps you thought you were ahead and didn't see me.

I've now posted the video VIR Dry 2 and you can see it between 5:30 and 6:00 minutes. It looks a little damning but remember, this is how "I" saw the incident. From your perspective, you probably saw it differently. I've long since said, the previous to last patch did a lot to improve collision detection but there are times when two cars make contact and only one car is aware of it. I'm sure if you had seen it the same way, you would have waited. And at any rate, this is often part of real racing. When two cars are fighting for the same piece of real estate, entering a corner at high speed, often one loses. So we'll just call it a 'racing incident' and move on. It happens. No problem 👍

Yeah, that looks pretty bad.
All I can say is that I don't ever remember feeling any contact and that I was as far inside as I could go and still make it around the corner. It doesn't seem possible, seeing it from your perspective, that I could have been unaware of the bump, but I never felt it. All I knew when I looked behind me on the straight is that Vompatti had gotten past you.

I would have no problem whatsoever giving you the 3rd place points for the first race. And again sorry for the contact.

 

[jjaisli]

I would have no problem whatsoever giving you the 3rd place points for the first race. And again sorry for the contact.

No, no! You're a good guy Manny and I appreciate the gesture. But I don't want to head down this road. You drove a great race and deserve your points. And it would be unfair to suggest becasue of that one incident, that I would have managed to stay ahead of you for the rest of the race. Maybe it would be different if it happened on the last corner of the last lap. But the next thing you know we're going to have tribunals on every racing incident and it's going to get out of hand.

It's too bad that Vompatti didn't have a video camera becasue I think it would have been interesting to see it from his perspective. One, simply because from his angle, he probably had a better view of which car was where, but also because it might have looked different again from what we both saw. It's one of those things that we just have to accept that dealing with lag and a lack of peripheral perspective, will often give two people a different view of the same incident. And while it's much better than it was it's still not perfect.

 

[vompatti]

The lowered front ride height made you quick on the straight with better aero (that's why I kept making those desperate lunges on you because I couldn't get close enough) but the increased front (1) shortened my braking distance slightly and more importantly (2) made it much easier (although still dangerous) to attack the curbs. In this way, it was obvious I was gaining on you and Manny through snake, although of course it was dependent on taking a good line through 5/5A. It wasn't the 'quickest' setup but I felt more confident like this.

Ah, that explains a lot. Last week I did try with a bit higher front end, but it still wasn't good over the kerbs and the overall speed was lower. Now I see that I should have tried to lift it even more. After that I was concentrating on toe's, because I had a hard time getting the car to behave the way I wanted. I still think that my setup was quite quick one, but the problem was that it didn't allow to cut over kerbs. Yeah, it might work in hotlapping, but on a narrow sections of this track, it just isn't possible (at least for me) to nail every corner of every lap for 20 laps. And when it did go over kerbs, I lost a lot of time. Another lesson of setup making for me

All things considered, I still made too many mistakes. That final turn 17 (Hog Pen) is a complete bear.

You should focus more on driving and less on worrying who is still on the server and who isn't! There's nothing you can do to it when the race is already on it's way and it's not your fault if someone drops.

One, simply because from his angle, he probably had a better view of which car was where, but also because it might have looked different again from what we both saw. It's one of those things that we just have to accept that dealing with lag and a lack of peripheral perspective, will often give two people a different view of the same incident. And while it's much better than it was it's still not perfect.

Unfortunately from my point of view there wasn't much to see, because I was a bit too much behind (about 1,5s). I didn't see the track itself or the apex, I only saw that you two had a side-to-side contact and you ended into the grass. I couldn't tell at all from my view if one of you drove a weird line or not, to me it seemed like a normal racing incident when both were on the limit and even a little touch was too much. But I must say, that the contact did seem bigger on the video than the way I remember it.

It is interesting how sometimes the other driver doesn't feel a contact at all. Watching jjaisli's videos I can say from the wet race, that when I overtook Biggles I didn't feel or notice any kind of contact at any moment. In fact I felt really good after the overtake, because I felt it was a good clean overtake without contact and I still left room for Biggles and didn't force him into the grass. But in jjaisli's video it clearly shows that we had some paint trading.

It's too bad that Vompatti didn't have a video camera becasue I think it would have been interesting to see it from his perspective.

Heh, funny that you did mention this, it's a work in a progress. I already have a videocamera on loan, I just need to figure out how to point it so that my head doesn't block the view and I can still drive, and I have to find out how I can get those tapes into computer (as cheap as possible, of course ).

 

[arvore]

Heh, funny that you did mention this, it's a work in a progress. I already have a videocamera on loan, I just need to figure out how to point it so that my head doesn't block the view and I can still drive, and I have to find out how I can get those tapes into computer (as cheap as possible, of course ).

Thats Jeff's dream coming true a Orwellian version of a race with 16 players on the lobby all with their cameras rolling.

On a more serious note this would be something that Eutechenix should easily solve with the online save replay feature...let's just hope New Racer(or whatever people call it) includes that

 

[bullie77]

Sergio, I don't want to make this sound like a criticism, but I've now posted the Wet 1 video and you should watch it. It's more comical than anything. I don't think anybody really hit you from braking too late (well, maybe initially), but the problem is, once you were off-line, you just seemed to be on the "wrong line" everywhere and seemed to be knocked around like a pinball. But if you follow the video, I think in most cases, people were just...caught out, for lack of a better term with the position of your car. Watch it now and see if it doesn't put the situation into better perspective.

Either way, I'm sorry you won't make it for the finale. But you can start practicing Monza in the 355 and get a head start.

After seeing the video it's different than I believe because I've felt several hits in the back before starting to spin - thus I was convinced that there were several cars hitting me at that time. Now I realize it was only 1. What happened next (and you can see the beginning of it in your video while you pass me and me front comes in to your left side) is that in one of those "hits" it got my inner right back corner, so I spin and get hitted by everyone then.

 

[jjaisli]

I still think that my setup was quite quick one, but the problem was that it didn't allow to cut over kerbs. Yeah, it might work in hotlapping, but on a narrow sections of this track, it just isn't possible (at least for me) to nail every corner of every lap for 20 laps.

That pretty much sums it up, yes. You were killing me on the straight. But then again, my setup didn't exactly allow for 'quick' turn-in but when I tried to adjust the toe, I found the car too unstable and I wasn't as precise as I would have liked. So it was a bit of a compromise.

You should focus more on driving and less on worrying who is still on the server and who isn't! There's nothing you can do to it when the race is already on it's way and it's not your fault if someone drops.

Hmmm. You're right. It's not easy trying to be: Max Mosley, Bernie Eccelstone, Charlie Whiting, Ross Brawn & Michael Schumacher, all at the same time. It's kind of funny, two events back, when the race ended, my wife gave a sigh of relief when I was finally upstairs. But then I went to write my review, edit the video and tabulate points. It actually takes longer to put the stupid review together than it does driving during the event. When my wife pointed this out, I asked if she wouldn't mind to help tabulate the points together in Excel to help save some time. She was just staring at me, completely flat, unblinking, without expression, so I kind of laughed and said, "Ahh, no. OK, I understand."

Heh, funny that you did mention this, it's a work in a progress. I already have a videocamera on loan, I just need to figure out how to point it so that my head doesn't block the view and I can still drive, and I have to find out how I can get those tapes into computer (as cheap as possible, of course ).

I wish I had an HDMI-in DVR recorder as the quality would be much better. But they're shunned due to pressure from the studios due to piracy concerns so they're priced up in the stratosphere. So I do the next best thing:

Thats Jeff's dream coming true a Orwellian version of a race with 16 players on the lobby all with their cameras rolling.

On a more serious note this would be something that Eutechenix should easily solve with the online save replay feature...let's just hope New Racer(or whatever people call it) includes that

Well, yes it's true. I pushed VERY hard to have Eutechnyx see the benefit and beauty of being able to at least 'save' on-line race replays and review them off-line after the race. Sometimes you can simply see track and angles from a perspective that's missing from inside the car and it would make re-watching the race a very enjoyable experience. FWIW, I think they did want to include this feature and I want to believe it was at least 'on-the-table' but...well...I won't say anymore. Let's just leave it at, System 3 REALLY missed the boat on this.

 

[MannyMoenjack]

Jeff's setup and mine were really quite similar, although I didn't raise my ride height very much. I had no trouble with curbs as long as I kept the car steady while going over them.

Springs : Soft / Soft
Dampers : Hard / Hard
Roll Bars : Hard / Hard
Ride Height : -0.28 / +0.030
Camber : -4.00 / -3.16
Toe : -6.00 / +0.02

jjaisli : Of course, we don't really know what you do for fun in Latvia...

OMG my sides hurt! That was great!

 

[Biggles]

My one complaint was the start of the wet race - at T1, while I was trying very hard to stay well back from the drivers in front, both Manny & Jeff push through on the inside (Jeff - very cheeky past Mario!) followed by Hendrik. Looking at the video there was a bit of an opening there, but it inevitably resulted in contact. I really think that at T1 in a race everyone should stick to their positions unless there's a very big opening & wait for the field to spread out a little. It always seems to be a problem in the second race because

a) it's in the wet, &
b) it puts the faster drivers in the back & they tend to underestimate how slow the drivers in front are!

Anyway, I enjoyed portions of each race where I was dueling with one or another driver, but I made way too many mistakes, particularly in the dry race. The one stupid mistake I made in the wet race was putting a wheel on the grass at the end of the straight which let Jeff get past me.

 

[Hun200kmh]

... (Jeff - very cheeky past Mario!) ....

Not at all, Jeff had to find a way around me and two wheels on the grass was better than what seconds later happened to vompatti, he didn't find any gap so he crashed.

I really shouldn't be there yesterday anyway. Before quali started the last time I had put my hands on my wheel was maybe 2 weeks ago. Originally I planned to get home a litle early just to "warm up" a litle doing a few laps, but - again - when I got home it was already 5 minutes past the scheduled hour.

Dry race was no problem because I messed up my quali lap and started at the back of the grid. In the wet race I should've pulled to the side at the start but didn't do it immediately so after 2 seconds I had already cars on both sides. I decided to go easy and let everyone go but vompattii suffered from it.

All in all I did what was possible for me, managing sort-of-decent laptimes in both races, but with many mistakes and a few very bad laps in the mix. Had a nice time chasing Biggles for a few laps in the dry race, and a nice time for a few laps chasing Kemp in the wet race.

 

[vompatti]

I wish I had an HDMI-in DVR recorder as the quality would be much better. But they're shunned due to pressure from the studios due to piracy concerns so they're priced up in the stratosphere. So I do the next best thing:

Wow, that looks nice! I didn't even consider positioning the camera over my head, as I'm so close to the screen but it could work if I tilt the screen a lot. So thanks for that tip. Unluckily I don't have any real stand for the camera, but we'll see what I can come up with.

Of course as you did mention, best solution would be HDMI-in recorder, but the price... Component could work too, at least Hauppage HD PVR can be found around 200&#8364;. Other possibility would be to use a lower quality recording, but I really don't want to play with compos(h)ite quality. One possibility that I'm looking now, would be a device that would convert component signal to composite/s-video with a component bypass, so that I could play with HD-quality and record with composite/s-video. If there would be fairly cheap device like this, it could be a cost friendly solution because composite/s-video recorders can be found under 20&#8364;.

 

[jjaisli]

My one complaint was the start of the wet race - at T1, while I was trying very hard to stay well back from the drivers in front, both Manny & Jeff push through on the inside (Jeff - very cheeky past Mario!) followed by Hendrik. Looking at the video there was a bit of an opening there, but it inevitably resulted in contact. I really think that at T1 in a race everyone should stick to their positions unless there's a very big opening & wait for the field to spread out a little. It always seems to be a problem in the second race because

a) it's in the wet, &
b) it puts the faster drivers in the back & they tend to underestimate how slow the drivers in front are!

Anyway, I enjoyed portions of each race where I was dueling with one or another driver, but I made way too many mistakes, particularly in the dry race. The one stupid mistake I made in the wet race was putting a wheel on the grass at the end of the straight which let Jeff get past me.

REALLY now Biggles. Isn't this taking things a BIT overboard? There's three truly ironic twists to this.

1. As I mentioned, I WAS playing Dirt 2 on Saturday. Enough said. But I will point out that 2 wheels were still on the tarmac so this is well within the OLR guidelines which govern whether or not this would be both a fair and legal pass. From my perspective, it was. If as a result of this action, it caused some ruckus behind, well, than I'm sorry and I wasn't aware.

2. Although I wasn't going 200 kmh at the time, I find it a bit delicious to pull this pass on Hun200kmh for what should be obvious reasons. Even if it wasn't actually planned.

3. I mean, are you REALLY serious? Biggles, I appreciate the call for restraint and in general terms I agree with it. But in this case, the "lady" doth protest too much, methinks. Manny took in the inside line into the first corner by getting a better launch and out braking me. Otherwise I would have taken the inside myself. I see you and he made contact and while you were 'slightly' ahead, you were essentially fighting over the SAME piece of tarmac. If you didn't want him to overtake there you should have taken a tighter line into the corner--simple as that. Honestly, I have no issue with it and I've watched it several times. Kidding aside, my own pass on Mario was not really intentional but I had a lot of momentum and if I had attempted to hold station, (a) I don't know if I could have avoided hitting him and (b) either way it would have been 3 wide into the next corner and likely would have led to a bigger mess. Perhaps Mario has a different take and by that pass I caused him to take avoiding action. But from my perspective, I believe it was OK.

Look, there's always going to be a certain level of aggression during the sprint race because it's a reverse grid. And it's in the wet. So you're naturally going to have the faster guys, at the back, all fired up and ready to pounce. And I kind of like the idea of having the top finishers in the feature race start at the back as it's a way for them to really show their mettle. And yes, they do have to show SOME restraint. They can't just push people out of the way to get around them. They have to do it in a clean way. I also reduced the points for the Sprint to help tone down the aggression. But that doesn't mean they have to sit back idly either.

I don't disagree with what you're saying in general terms. But I see nothing specific from this incident to really warrant criticism.

 

[new_soul]

Bear =

Beer =

Of course, we don't really know what you do for fun in Latvia...

i had the suspicion i spelled it wrong was to lazy to duble check


my setup

race ONE Thank god disconected, set up was a lot to get used to..

Dampers S/S
Springs S/S
Height -25 +30
Camber -4 / -3.10
Toe +25 +25

****


Race 2

Dampers H/S
Springs S/S
Height -30 +30
Camber -4 -3,2
Toe +25 +25

 

[blown540ci]

first of all thank you jj for organising the event last night .
i was in two minds as to race in this event or not as i know i am not so good on this track,and didnt want to screw it up for anyone else . i just dont have the feel for this track at all.
not much happens at the back of the feild so not alot to report at all .
i look forward to the final race of the series , its a shame you cant make it bullie as we are very similair in pace , and at the back so it spices things up a bit.
thanks again

 

[Biggles]

REALLY now Biggles. Isn't this taking things a BIT overboard?

No. I'm not saying it was an extreme situation - in the context of a one-on-one situation I wouldn't have any problem with it. It's strictly in the context of the first corner - I was slowing down to avoid contact with the cars in front & then felt muscled by the following three cars taking advantage of the slow pace to gain places. This is distinct from plowing into the car ahead by accident, which can certainly happen & may have been the situation in this case. It's become clear that over the course of a longer race, the faster drivers are able to progress to the front of the pack without having to push that hard at the beginning of the race, so I think it's better to back off for the first few corners.

 

[jjaisli]

Peter, my view on this is relatively straight forward. (A) avoid contact and (B) where they apply to this title, follow the OLR rules. We all know there is a bit of lag with this game, worse under some conditions, better in others. And as we saw from my incident with Manny, sometimes when contact does happen, the results are inconsistent amongst the players. If we could really fit 12 guys in my basement where we could re-run this race in a LAN environment, I think the racing would take on a slightly different form where it would be possible to drive much closer together and cleanly. And our driving styles would reflect that in turn. Certainly you remember how different Ferrari Challenge was when we linked our PS3s.

However, since we're dealing with an online environment where lag IS present and when so many cars are close together, we have to back off in certain situations where we otherwise wouldn't or perhaps shouldn't. It's a race. Accepting we follow guidelines A & B, the goal is to get to the finish line first. And if you were simply unlucky enough that your car was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or by choice, you backed off when others did not, you can't necessary blame those who took advantage of the situation and pushed through. I've started a race plenty of times where I got caught out off line, behind another car and drivers from behind where sailing past me left and right. It's frustrating. But that's part of the game. The contact between you and Manny was what I would refer to as a racing incident and in my opinion the blame lies 50/50.

Go to YouTube and plug in 'Race Start' and see what you come up with. Yes, you can come up with plenty examples of spectacular crashes and that's not what I want either. But that's why the term 'urging caution' means just that rather than simply 'backing off'. Otherwise, where do we draw the line? Should we have no passing until the 2nd corner. Or the 3rd? Or what about the 2nd lap. Who's to determine where it's fair to pass and where it isn't? I'm not trying to mock you. These are serious questions. Starts in large lobbies are by nature, chaotic. Manny saw a gap. He went for it. Same with me. If one of us had shoved you out of the way to make that gap or pushed you wide, that would be a different story.

I made a 'dumb' passing attempt on you going 'down' the hill after Vompatti got around you. But that was more to do with misjudging where your car was as it looked like you had a slight off. And I pushed Vompatti wide on lap two of the feature race and gave the spot back. Within the tight confines of a large group, such give and take is not that easy. But that's why if somebody can work their way through traffic cleanly, they have my respect. And I don't want to discourage it.

Once I got behind Frawe, I was stuck. Whether because he was simply out of sorts, or by design, he was vigorously defending the inside line of 3 corners in a row and I just couldn't get around him. In that case, because of where he put his car and where I put my car, I had no choice but to hold station. Had I seen a chance to get around him cleanly, you better believe I would have gone for it. And if you're closing from behind at a higher speed, sometimes that's easier to do.

Of course, now that I make a big case of encouraging this sort of thing, we'll probably have a HUGE pile up at the start of the next race. And you're free to say, "I told you so" if it happens.

 

[MannyMoenjack]

Peter, my view on this is relatively straight forward. (A) avoid contact and (B) where they apply to this title, follow the OLR rules. We all know there is a bit of lag with this game, worse under some conditions, better in others. And as we saw from my incident with Manny, sometimes when contact does happen, the results are inconsistent amongst the players. If we could really fit 12 guys in my basement where we could re-run this race in a LAN environment, I think the racing would take on a slightly different form where it would be possible to drive much closer together and cleanly. And our driving styles would reflect that in turn. Certainly you remember how different Ferrari Challenge was when we linked our PS3s.

You're in New Jersey right? OK, I'll be at your place on the 6th. That way when I punt you into the weeds next time, you can just reach over and smack me upside my head.

I'm sure we had this same basic discussion a dozen times in the Shift League. I tried clarifying the rules, changing the rules scolding people etc., and found out after a lot of angst, that you really can't legislate this kind of thing in online races. The variables here are the individual racers' judgement and signal lag. Urging caution and trusting that people will try to do the right thing is really all that can be done without fundamentally changing the nature of the competition.

 

[LeftyWright69]

WEEEEeeeeeee........ The new telephone book is here, the new telephone book is here. OOOPS I meant my new copy of SCC is here WEEEEeeee.......

 

[hm66]

Hi guys
Here's my rewiev(a little late)
Got fastest qual. so I started in front.The start was ok but I had new_soul all over me for the first 2 laps.I was able to stay in front and then he kinda dissapered and I was suddently in front alone with about 5 sec. to 2th place.On the next 2 laps I was pulling away but then disasterI went of at the hill and ended in the barrier,and had to reverse to get out.It took forever and when I was allmost back on track I lost the back end and spun again.Back in the race in 5th I started to push and fortunally I held it on the track,and was able to catch the front runners( I can see that they also had some trouble keeping ther car on track)in the end I allmost had vompatti,but he held it togetter and got a win with about 1.5 sec.congratulations.

Wet race.
Started 12th and lost the position in the first corner.Got past a couple of cars in the next corner.I had peter right after me but at the hill jeff got a penalty and I went trough him and at the next corner I went betwine 2 cars that was going wide in different directions.After lap 1 I was in 6th and after lap 3 I was behind manny in 3th.followed him fore a lap or so and when he made a little mistake at the snake I overtook him going uphill.Then I was 2th with new_soul already 11 sec. in front,and no matter what I did I couldn't get closer and he didn't make any mistakes that I could benefit from.
So 2 2th places.:

 

[jjaisli]

Thanks Henrik! BTW, do you have any video of the Wet start? I'd be curious to see it.

I've just posted the final video on my race recap so it's now complete.

 

[vompatti]

Henrik, I don't know if you noticed, but seems that Part 3 and 4 are basically the same on your videos and it seems that the end of the race is missing.