SCC - Ferrari 348 Challenge Series - Series Complete - Results Posted!

[new_soul]

dont wory, Mugello is a easy track, it has a nice adictive flow with smoth corners, i guess i did 20'000 laps there in FC with the F430

The key to top the leaderbords by 0.7 is to get behind sombody after the last corner,
The 1'57 is real and it might come down to 1'56 with a litle luck and slipstreeme.

 

[Alan_G]

I think topping the leaderboard with a slipstream lap kind of ruins it for me. If I was in a practice race, got a big slipstream, and then on for a really fast one, I'd probably lift off and abort the lap to avoid updating the database laptime. The main reason is for trying to make setup changes for a bit more speed; you'd constantly have to be thinking "oh what was that best lap I did with no slipstream...I think it was a 57.6...hmmm".

I won't be able to do the event, but I'm still putting in a few laps for fun. I underestimated how much of a difference toe can make. The big change for Mugello after Virginia is the toe setting, for me.

At Virginia, I was running default toe for most of the days (best was low 1'28 with that). After some toe ideas from Manny, I tried some different settings. I knew positive (slider to the right) front toe was definitely to keep. So I tried maximum negative rear toe. The result was way too much oversteer. So I put rear toe to around -10, with front around +20, and bang! Big difference. The first time trying it, got down to a high 1'27. I just remember on that lap, after turns 2, 3, 4, it struck me just how "hooked up" the car seemed to be (as Martin Brundle says!). Coming out of the roller-coaster I knew it was a good lap, and I kind of bottled-it into the final corner; way too much curb, got the line wrong (that's the problem using the pad - if yout get a bit twitchy, the steering/throttle inputs go very far from intended!).

Anyway, so the first thing I noticed in Mugello is that the Virginia setup has way too much oversteer. This is probably because the corner entries are much more gradual, whereas in Virginia you have short, sharp apexes with quick turn-in points. So I changed the rear toe to zero, and front toe to +10. Works much better now. I say 0/0 toe may be better, as the +10F toe is still a bit oversteer-prone.

 

[MannyMoenjack]

I think topping the leaderboard with a slipstream lap kind of ruins it for me. If I was in a practice race, got a big slipstream, and then on for a really fast one, I'd probably lift off and abort the lap to avoid updating the database laptime. The main reason is for trying to make setup changes for a bit more speed; you'd constantly have to be thinking "oh what was that best lap I did with no slipstream...I think it was a 57.6...hmmm".

I won't be able to do the event, but I'm still putting in a few laps for fun. I underestimated how much of a difference toe can make. The big change for Mugello after Virginia is the toe setting, for me.

At Virginia, I was running default toe for most of the days (best was low 1'28 with that). After some toe ideas from Manny, I tried some different settings. I knew positive (slider to the right) front toe was definitely to keep. So I tried maximum negative rear toe. The result was way too much oversteer. So I put rear toe to around -10, with front around +20, and bang! Big difference. The first time trying it, got down to a high 1'27. I just remember on that lap, after turns 2, 3, 4, it struck me just how "hooked up" the car seemed to be (as Martin Brundle says!). Coming out of the roller-coaster I knew it was a good lap, and I kind of bottled-it into the final corner; way too much curb, got the line wrong (that's the problem using the pad - if yout get a bit twitchy, the steering/throttle inputs go very far from intended!).

Anyway, so the first thing I noticed in Mugello is that the Virginia setup has way too much oversteer. This is probably because the corner entries are much more gradual, whereas in Virginia you have short, sharp apexes with quick turn-in points. So I changed the rear toe to zero, and front toe to +10. Works much better now. I say 0/0 toe may be better, as the +10F toe is still a bit oversteer-prone.

Absolutely! There are plenty of setups that will allow a good driver to go around a track at a good pace, but once you've got the toe settings dialed-in for a particular track the car literally works with you to get around corners. Almost all the practice I did at Virgina was geared toward setting up the car.

Unfortunately, as I'm sure you've discovered it's not just as simple as setting the correct toe for a track, because changing the toe settings effectively changes your camber settings. Toe-in (positive toe) causes the tires to ride arong their outer edges, effectively exaggerating your camber setting. Toe-out (negative toe) causes the opposite effect. So while you may have the correct camber for a given track, if you then change the toe settings you'll probably find you need to go back and adjust the camber again. It can be tricky to get the settings just right for a particular track. (And I haven't even mentioned suspension effects!) But it's a part of the game I enjoy, and tinkering with the setup makes practice a lot more interesting.

 

[Biggles]

A couple of nights ago I ran a few laps with Manny & ended up setting a new PB (I'm pretty positive there was no slipstreaming involved). However, the lap didn't feel like a particularly good one to me. Last night I ran a few laps on TT & was unable to match the time I set with Manny, even though I ran some laps that seemed very precise to me. It made me wonder, for the first time, if it's possible that the performance of the car, TT & online, may be different?

 

[bullie77]

Good news!

After all it seems that I'm making it to the Mugello race! (How addicted this says you are when you cherish the fact that you'll be leaving in holidays a day later...)

See you guys later for testing!

 

[jjaisli]

I won't be able to do the event, but I'm still putting in a few laps for fun. I underestimated how much of a difference toe can make.

Indeed, toe completely changes the handling characteristics of the car. And the toe setting, front vs rear, is a difficult concept to nail down. It doesn't necessarily make the car any faster or grip any better but it changes how you might approach certain corners and in doing so, you can simply navigate the course quicker. Most of the practice runs I've been doing for Mugello just focus on making some small setup changes and doing a few laps to gauge those changes. First I try to understand what is potentially faster. And then I go for consistency. And in some cases, like with VIR, I had to settle on a setup that was slower but more neutral.

A couple of nights ago I ran a few laps with Manny & ended up setting a new PB (I'm pretty positive there was no slipstreaming involved). However, the lap didn't feel like a particularly good one to me. Last night I ran a few laps on TT & was unable to match the time I set with Manny, even though I ran some laps that seemed very precise to me.

I figured it was just a fluke. No WAY you're that fast. Mugello actually surprises me. It's not a very complex track but even after all this time, I'm finding there are some better ways around some of the corners. But perhaps it's just me and everybody else has long since discovered the little tricks. On Tuesday(?) night I found by entering one particular corner a bit slower and downshifting to 2nd (rather than leaving it in 3rd), it gave me a much better exit and the result was I could shave almost .2 off rather consistently.

Good news!

After all it seems that I'm making it to the Mugello race! (How addicted this says you are when you cherish the fact that you'll be leaving in holidays a day later...)

See you guys later for testing!

👍 Yeah, we all know that feeling. Except for Mario of course, who's suddenly decided to act like a responsible adult. A FINE time I might add with the last race coming up.

 

[arvore]

A couple of nights ago I ran a few laps with Manny & ended up setting a new PB (I'm pretty positive there was no slipstreaming involved). However, the lap didn't feel like a particularly good one to me. Last night I ran a few laps on TT & was unable to match the time I set with Manny, even though I ran some laps that seemed very precise to me. It made me wonder, for the first time, if it's possible that the performance of the car, TT & online, may be different?

I've wondered that myself a couple of times...
But I reached a diferent answer-It is more a question of daily inspiration(I should have said night) than a glitch or bug or diferent physichs...
Most of my P.B. were achieved in TT(only there I dare to go off countless times-I'm thinking of VIR and M.T. -to get it right one time and achieve a average-good doesn't obviously aplly to my lap times ) instead of racing.
But I've seen countless times-Alan,new-soul,Henrik,etc-people achieving W.R times whithin online racing...my P.B at Mugello(would someone be gentle enought to share some tuning tips for this one ) was made also racing Manny but more in a online TT spirit(we were taking all the risks in order to improve our times rather than seing who cutted the finish line first).
Slipstream was never a real issue to me since it's very seldom that I'm chasing someone it goes more the other way around...but I'm aware that thats a techenique to do better lap times used by some players with red/yellow flags...but if it is achieved in a proper race without the cooperation of the drafted driver I think it's legit.

Good news!

After all it seems that I'm making it to the Mugello race! (How addicted this says you are when you cherish the fact that you'll be leaving in holidays a day later...)

See you guys later for testing!

Good news:tup:
I was afraid of felling lonely back there

 

[MannyMoenjack]

A couple of nights ago I ran a few laps with Manny & ended up setting a new PB (I'm pretty positive there was no slipstreaming involved). However, the lap didn't feel like a particularly good one to me. Last night I ran a few laps on TT & was unable to match the time I set with Manny, even though I ran some laps that seemed very precise to me. It made me wonder, for the first time, if it's possible that the performance of the car, TT & online, may be different?

I've wondered that myself Biggles, but the one thing I really noticed in our race was how smooth your lap was. That seems to be a key factor. The vast majority of my best laps have been done when I wasn't pushing so hard. And no you certainly didn't benefit from my draft as you were in front of me the whole lap!

Good news!

After all it seems that I'm making it to the Mugello race! (How addicted this says you are when you cherish the fact that you'll be leaving in holidays a day later...)

See you guys later for testing!

I'm glad to hear it! 👍 It would've been a shame to miss the last race.

I figured it was just a fluke. No WAY you're that fast. Mugello actually surprises me. It's not a very complex track but even after all this time, I'm finding there are some better ways around some of the corners. But perhaps it's just me and everybody else has long since discovered the little tricks. On Tuesday(?) night I found by entering one particular corner a bit slower and downshifting to 2nd (rather than leaving it in 3rd), it gave me a much better exit and the result was I could shave almost .2 off rather consistently.

I've found at least two corners that I was going through in the wrong gear, but more importantly I've found again that when you downshift is also critical. Although there are still a couple of corners where I have to do it, downshifting to aid braking loses time. It's better in many cases to delay the downshift until you start accellerating out of a turn.

I've wondered that myself a couple of times...
But I reached a diferent answer-It is more a question of daily inspiration(I should have said night) than a glitch or bug or diferent physichs...
Most of my P.B. were achieved in TT(only there I dare to go off countless times-I'm thinking of VIR and M.T. -to get it right one time and achieve a average-good doesn't obviously aplly to my lap times ) instead of racing.
But I've seen countless times-Alan,new-soul,Henrik,etc-people achieving W.R times whithin online racing...my P.B at Mugello(would someone be gentle enought to share some tuning tips for this one ) was made also racing Manny but more in a online TT spirit(we were taking all the risks in order to improve our times rather than seing who cutted the finish line first).

I'm the same way. I only once tied my personal best while I was racing online, and that was with Jeff one night at VIR. I'm usually much more conservative (read, slow ) when racing with others.

 

[new_soul]

I found that the S turns must be taken in a straiht line and cuting the cerb and leaving in 3rd, if braked not to late and hit the apex just right you will be in that 110- 120 kmh where you gain a advantage saving a upshift,(maybe exept the 1st S turn ) and the car is much faster and stabile exiting thhe corners, this works also in the last turn.

im driving now the montreal set up with RC -2.95 verry respunsive ..
will try somthing different later.

 

[Biggles]

I've wondered that myself Biggles, but the one thing I really noticed in our race was how smooth your lap was. That seems to be a key factor.

The online lap where I set the PB seemed to me, at the time, to have a number of noticeable errors - I was very surprised when it came in faster than my TT PB. Since then I have come close to matching that time with TT laps that seemed perfectly executed, but I have not beaten it, which is what makes me wonder if it's possible that the performance of the car is slightly different online & offline.

 

[MannyMoenjack]

The online lap where I set the PB seemed to me, at the time, to have a number of noticeable errors - I was very surprised when it came in faster than my TT PB. Since then I have come close to matching that time with TT laps that seemed perfectly executed, but I have not beaten it, which is what makes me wonder if it's possible that the performance of the car is slightly different online & offline.

I have to admit there have been LOTS of times that I've put together what I thought was a great lap, only to find it slower than made sense to me.

I think the difference is between what the game wants a car to do to be faster, and what experience tells me is faster in the real world. The difference between the two is not huge, but it can be pretty frustrating when you find yourself trying to scrape up another tenth of a second.

In the past I've often thought that there were subtle differences on online vs. single play, but I always thought that online play was more difficult. I've since just assumed the difference was me being tighter and more nervous in online racing.

 

[TURNER_042]

hi guys. if theres any room, id like to have a go of the last race. i will be on default setup though as i dont own this car. i just miss the great online experience you get with this game. wish i could have taken part in all other races, but my ps3 was ylod for 4 months. c u guys on track soon

 

[jjaisli]

Hi Turner--was wondering what happened to you as I noticed you hadn't been on line for a long time. You're welcome to join in of course. But keeping in mind that there's still a week to go, I would suggest you purchase this car (it's not expensive) and get to work on setup adjustments or you'll probably find yourself pretty far off the pace...

 

[TURNER_042]

yeah might just do that. sorry, thought race was tommorow haha.

 

[vompatti]

I think topping the leaderboard with a slipstream lap kind of ruins it for me...

I agree. It's also that I use the leaderboard as a tool for my own progress. If I see that driver X is in front of me and in previous races I've been in front of him, it makes me wonder that there might be something wrong in my approach of the track/setup. And also to keep an eye of the gap to the top of the leaderboards and in my case especially to mhm66, our own wheel using alien. Is the gap in line with previous races or not.

But if the top times are done with slipstream, then there isn't really any point to compare times.

 

[hm66]

I agree. It's also that I use the leaderboard as a tool for my own progress. If I see that driver X is in front of me and in previous races I've been in front of him, it makes me wonder that there might be something wrong in my approach of the track/setup. And also to keep an eye of the gap to the top of the leaderboards and in my case especially to mhm66, our own wheel using alien. Is the gap in line with previous races or not.

But if the top times are done with slipstream, then there isn't really any point to compare times.

Hi vompatti
My time on the leaderboard is made with some help from new_soul.
But in the same race I did a 1:57:74 without any draft.So compare with
that.

 

[vompatti]

Nice to know, thanks 👍

(Wop, so I kind of "increased" my speed with 0,2s while not even driving! )

 

[new_soul]

Hi vompatti
My time on the leaderboard is made with some help from new_soul.
But in the same race I did a 1:57:74 without any draft.So compare with
that.

Hei !

You did a 1'57,42 without a draft today 👍

 

[new_soul]

it locks to me that the 1'56-es are coming without the draft doing..

im on my MT set up now and im feeling like Mark Webber (damn fast)


The car has more potential, its always a question to get it over the line.

 

[TURNER_042]

how the hell do u manage a 1.57 lol. i'm pushing the car to its limits, cornering perfectly, and onlly getting a low 1.59. then again i'm an absolute noob at suspension settings lol. any tips for a setup?

 

[MannyMoenjack]

how the hell do u manage a 1.57 lol. i'm pushing the car to its limits, cornering perfectly, and onlly getting a low 1.59. then again i'm an absolute noob at suspension settings lol. any tips for a setup?

That makes two of us Turner!

Actually I'm in the high 1:58's and I can see that the possiblity to lower that time to the high 1:57's is there with a perfect lap, but clearly we're missing something. I mean, there must a turn or two that can be taken in a different way or in a different gear that we just haven't discovered yet.

 

[new_soul]

That makes two of us Turner!

Actually I'm in the high 1:58's and I can see that the possiblity to lower that time to the high 1:57's is there with a perfect lap, but clearly we're missing something. I mean, there must a turn or two that can be taken in a different way or in a different gear that we just haven't discovered yet.

i was always in the 1'58 and culd not go faster, but i knew it was possible, because i culd not take the good split times beyond the line.
susspension is soft with hard bars and +25 /+25 toe
the soft susspension is for hihher grip and corner speeds, but is more unstable over the curbs, the harder susspension is more stabel over the curbs, because it dose notalove the front to bottom out, rear hard helps to stabilise the soft front and if front is hard it helps with the jumping when hiting a curb.. Bouth hard options are reducing grip corner speed, and gives understearing, ore to munch overstearing.

The +25 /+25 Toe is for responsive behavior.

i reduced the rear camber to -2.95 its for more turn in effect when the apex is a little late..

i feel fron the time trail today that there is atleast 0.5 to take over the line.

The key is to hold the speed steady, dont let the car to slide, and do every corner 100% which is the hardest part, because if there is one mistake the next 3-4 turns are also out of rithm and the lap is dead. With this set up the car has a grate potential, but you must learn to holfd the car stabile attacking the corners.

Sontimes i wish i had a wheel, because i starting to play with the stearing assist, releasing the stearing on my controller to let the game correct the oncoming overstear, to not go in a drift or off track, moustly exiting the first S turn.

I just want more control..

 

[MannyMoenjack]

i was always in the 1'58 and culd not go faster, but i knew it was possible, because i culd not take the good split times beyond the line.
susspension is soft with hard bars and +25 /+25 toe
the soft susspension is for hihher grip and corner speeds, but is more unstable over the curbs, the harder susspension is more stabel over the curbs, because it dose notalove the front to bottom out, rear hard helps to stabilise the soft front and if front is hard it helps with the jumping when hiting a curb.. Bouth hard options are reducing grip corner speed, and gives understearing, ore to munch overstearing.

The +25 /+25 Toe is for responsive beha

Agreed. Soft suspension is the way to go. My Toe settings are different, but I don't expect that makes a huge time difference.

No, I have to think there is a corner or two that I'm not taking in the quickest way. It would've been nice to race with you this morning and Henrik yesterday, but the whole weekend has been full of interruptions. I no sooner sit down in the racing seat and go through my outlap, than somebody wants something! Four laps in a row has been my most continuous session since Friday.

Speaking of which... she needs me to do something else right now...

 

[TURNER_042]

i was always in the 1'58 and culd not go faster, but i knew it was possible, because i culd not take the good split times beyond the line.
susspension is soft with hard bars and +25 /+25 toe
the soft susspension is for hihher grip and corner speeds, but is more unstable over the curbs, the harder susspension is more stabel over the curbs, because it dose notalove the front to bottom out, rear hard helps to stabilise the soft front and if front is hard it helps with the jumping when hiting a curb.. Bouth hard options are reducing grip corner speed, and gives understearing, ore to munch overstearing.

The +25 /+25 Toe is for responsive behavior.

i reduced the rear camber to -2.95 its for more turn in effect when the apex is a little late..

i feel fron the time trail today that there is atleast 0.5 to take over the line.

The key is to hold the speed steady, dont let the car to slide, and do every corner 100% which is the hardest part, because if there is one mistake the next 3-4 turns are also out of rithm and the lap is dead. With this set up the car has a grate potential, but you must learn to holfd the car stabile attacking the corners.

Sontimes i wish i had a wheel, because i starting to play with the stearing assist, releasing the stearing on my controller to let the game correct the oncoming overstear, to not go in a drift or off track, moustly exiting the first S turn.

I just want more control..

i am also using the controller, however i do have a wheel.....

I use the wheel for all of my racing games, except from scc, because i dont think my wheel works properly with it. i put the force feedback to low, and it makes no difference. it still tries to rip my arms off . its so hard, that it slows my reactions, and therfrore i cant control the car properly. its a real shame, but almost impossible to drive. i have the DFP btw.

thanks for setup tips btw.

 

[new_soul]

i did set my time in lap 19 out of 24, i began my time traill fully motivated and the first 5 laps were all mid 1'57 then i did som gratre split times -0.7 and lost it all in the end, got frustrated and tired, it foloved 10 - 15 laps which were of the pace and full of mistakes, i felt i learning the track all over again.
Towards the end of the time trail i was again full of confidence and got a low 1'57 but culdnt do so well as in the begin ..

Every turn has a secret in mugello...

turn 1 is duble apex, if you brake to much down you dont have to brake a second time and lose time towards turn 2
turn 2 i take in 2nd i upshift, to 3rd gear entering turn 3, lifting the power to make te turn and to not go sideways,
turn 4 you have to brake so that you hit the curb on the left side abobe 140 km/h set the car up fot turn 5 and full power there, can lift 1 time if necessary.
Turn 6 152 km/h at the apex. then rolling with minimum power ore no power to the apex of turn 7

Turn 8 i take a wide swing and hit the apex with red lights flashing over the curb, gragualy reduce the speed at the end and with a short tap on the brakes im trough with 160kmh trough turn 9

turn 10 stay in 3rd and dont let the bump before the apex trow you wide 120 kmh there at apex and faling.
lift entering turn 11 and full power.

turn 12 its a trick of holding as much speed in to the corner and gradualy decreasing it and starting to go back on the power just at the right moment, smoth and hiting the curb exiting the 12 at the left and full powe trough 13 if you hit the curb there on the left side above 183 kmh exiting 13 you did a goog job in 12 and 13

turn 14 120 kmh must be the slowest speed there, can be taken in 3rd, but 2nd is more precise and safer, if you can upshift before the white crosed line after the curb you are fast.

 

[hm66]

Hi guys
I'm on default toe settings,and I can see from new_soul's write-up that he uses
a lot of gear changes.I dont do that.From exit after turn 1 before entering turn 2,I'm
in 3th gear and dont change before turn 10.It helps with momentum but you have to
be precise with breaking.Maby I upload a lap so you can see.

 

[arvore]

...the whole weekend has been full of interruptions. I no sooner sit down in the racing seat and go through my outlap, than somebody wants something! Four laps in a row has been my most continuous session since Friday.

Speaking of which... she needs me to do something else right now...

Are all women related...or do they all just use the same brain software???? More intriguing than the fastest line around Mugello...

Hi guys
I'm on default toe settings,and I can see from new_soul's write-up that he uses
a lot of gear changes.I dont do that.From exit after turn 1 before entering turn 2,I'm
in 3th gear and dont change before turn 10.It helps with momentum but you have to
be precise with breaking.Maby I upload a lap so you can see.

Please do,please do...👍

No...wait you'd better not to or else(like with VIR) me-and I guess a few others -will go crazy trying to reproduce it and not being able to ...man if I breaked so late as you do I would go off in every corner

Now seriously if you're up to the trouble it's always nice to watch your smooth driving-it even seems easy -and we always learn something-humility if nothing else .
I tend to choose not to downshift in most turns-I can do the whole track in 3rd gear,except fot the straight- but sometimes I feel that I can exit the corner more fast if I down shift to 2nd,San Donato and Correntaio, but I always TRY to avoid the curbs...my driving skills aren't enought to deal with the bumping it implies over the suspension springs

BTW what the heck happenned to Mr JeffMosleecclestone ...so silent...also in Marital duties I guess

 

[bullie77]

Breaking news:

It is proved that it is humanly impossible to do lower than 2'03''00 in Mugello. Conclusion: you all are aliens! (There I said it!)

 

[jjaisli]

BTW what the heck happenned to Mr JeffMosleecclestone ...so silent...also in Marital duties I guess

Hi guys! Well, many of you might have noticed me on-line this weekend and I'm sorry if any of you sent me race invites which I didn't respond to. The truth is, I was visiting an old school friend of mine (with the family) and brought the PS3 with me. So if you saw me logged in, it wasn't actually me but my friend and/or his kids. I haven't played SCC since last Wednesday. I hope I'm not off the 1st page of the leaderboard by now...

 

[new_soul]

from turn 2 until turn 12 im in 3rg gear. im nort sure if i will do the 2nd turn in 3rd or leve it in 2nd untill turn3.. there is the difference how you learn it to do, if folowing a car - i will leave it in 2nd to have more controll i guess.. less shifting must be faster, i love to drive the 10 and 11 in 3rd..