SCHUMACHER will (not) drive Massa's car at Valencia!!!

[Stevisiov]

I think you need to look at the facts, 4 podiums in a row, yeah thats all I have.

Webber has had a few hiccups in qualifying, some through his fault, others through blocking infringments, but all in all, he has showed/proven to be in my opinion the quickest driver, Q2 in particular, and is finally converting it into solid results come race day. I will laugh at your avatar when Webber clinches the championship.

Facts? if you want to talk about facts you could look at the qualifying record, hiccups or not Vettel's has been faster than webber in terms of qualifying. That doesn't suggest to me that Webber is clearly faster, as for other drivers who could potentially be faster than Webber its hard to say because they aren't in the same car, but then again neither willl Schumacher either so your comparison for the fastest driver is completely pointless.

If you want to laugh at my avatar if Webber wins the championship feel free, i am not going to loose sleep over it, I will however be celebrating Webber's victory as its something I want to see.

Of course if not, better look next time, I won't be laughing at your avatar however. I would like to take the time to remind you it might be a sensible time to take your Webber goggles off for the moment instead of insulting me. Of course, if he clearly is the fastest driver at the moment you should no problem making a solid case for it and proving me wrong.

Good luck. 👍

 

[Hun200kmh]

I like Stevisiov's avatar ...

 

[Bram Turismo]

Excuse me for saying this but by reading some of the posts made earlier after we heard that Schumacher will be driving for Ferrari, it seems that some members think Schumacher will be able to score a win... Am I a completely idiot when I say I hold it as near impossible? Granted, he is the best man in the sport ever, but come on, he hasn't been driving such a fast car for a long time now, and I bet he really doesn't have a clue how the F60 behaves. I can see him scoring points given the speed of the Ferrari, but I really think a win is a little bit farfetch'd.

Sorry if that was stupid, but I just had to say it.

 

[Ardius]

^I think the mentions of wins were intended to mean later in the season, not the first race. It would be an impressive feat for him to come back in a car he hasn't driven before on a circuit he hasn't driven before and with relatively little motorsport experience the last 2 years and win the race. But highly unlikely.

I think most of us are expecting him to be fighting at the very least with Alonso (if he races) & Co in the midfield though.

 

[Ferrari_Tifoso]

Excuse me for saying this but by reading some of the posts made earlier after we heard that Schumacher will be driving for Ferrari, it seems that some members think Schumacher will be able to score a win... Am I a completely idiot when I say I hold it as near impossible? Granted, he is the best man in the sport ever, but come on, he hasn't been driving such a fast car for a long time now, and I bet he really doesn't have a clue how the F60 behaves. I can see him scoring points given the speed of the Ferrari, but I really think a win is a little bit farfetch'd.

Sorry if that was stupid, but I just had to say it.

I don't think he can't win initially, but I pretty sure he has a very good idea of how the F60 behaves. You have to remember he is the type of driver who would tell his team that the cars needs this much camber, toe, ride height, etc., and the team would apply the changes he suggested and the car would be instantly quicker.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It's not all that surprising that Ferrari are running with Schumacher. Luca Badoer is pushing forty, and while Schumacher might be the same age, Badoer hasn't had a race seat in a decade. And as for Marc Gene, he might have won the Le Mans 24 Hours, but that's a very different beast to a single-seat open-wheeler. Schumacher was pretty much the only choice; after all, Ferrari might not be competing for the championship, but they are competing for third place. They need someone quick and reliable who can hit the ground running on an unfamiliar circuit in an unfamiliar car.

That said, I've heard some absolutely moronic suggestions as to who should take Schumacher's place:

• Sebastien Bourdais - I mean, what the hell? He was a whinger who spent most of the year being out-qualified and out-raced by a rookie team-mate. What could he do in three races with Ferrari that he couldn't do in eighteen months with Toro Rosso?
• Nelson Piquet, Jr. - As above. He's almost universally despised as an under-performing and unworthy talent who spends most of his time spinning around or not doing much of note. So why would Ferrari waste a race seat on him? It'd be the same thing as hiring Schumacher, but putting a Datsun engine in the back.
• Fernando Alonso - Unsurprisingly, we have the Spanish tabloids to thank for this one. Rather than express concern over Felipe Massa's condition, the Spanish media have decided he's out for the season and this paves the way for Alonso to join the team early. Of course, with Piquet on the outer at Renault, that means Enstone would have to replace two drivers at once, and you can bet the FIA would have something to say about that.
• Mirko Bortolotti - An Italian Formula Two driver who tested at Fiorano in 2008 and set the fastest time of the year there. But the previous benchmark had been set on intermediates when he was running a dry compound. He tested with two other Italian drivers as the beginnings of a quasi-young driver program, but he's only nineteen. Jaime Algeursuari might be the same age, but that doesn't mean the grid should be populated by under-twenties.

 

[holl01]

Facts? if you want to talk about facts you could look at the qualifying record, hiccups or not Vettel's has been faster than webber in terms of qualifying. That doesn't suggest to me that Webber is clearly faster, as for other drivers who could potentially be faster than Webber its hard to say because they aren't in the same car, but then again neither willl Schumacher either so your comparison for the fastest driver is completely pointless.

If you want to laugh at my avatar if Webber wins the championship feel free, i am not going to loose sleep over it, I will however be celebrating Webber's victory as its something I want to see.

Of course if not, better look next time, I won't be laughing at your avatar however. I would like to take the time to remind you it might be a sensible time to take your Webber goggles off for the moment instead of insulting me. Of course, if he clearly is the fastest driver at the moment you should no problem making a solid case for it and proving me wrong.

Good luck. 👍

Talk about an over exaggeration, I never insulted you at any stage, I just stated something random at the end (laughing at avatar bit) just for fun.
It appears as If your in a tight ass mood for some reason.

I already mentioned that Webber hasn't preformed better than Vettel in qualifying, it hasn't been his strong point this season. But he is still, looking at all variables and angles, technically the fastest driver in the field at the moment, and if Shumacher is as good as he was, he and Webber might be at the front fighting, which would be great to see.

 

[Casio]

dan you are so wrong webber isnt even fast enough to race in the Mini celebrity race at the melbourne GP.

 

[zed300]

Webber vs Shumacer is what I will hope to see, Webber is clearly the fastest driver currently, and I believe he will win the championship. Fastest in Q2 in Hungary and claimed the fastest lap by 5 tenths, he is on a mission at the moment

I think you need to take your webber goggles of for a second, sure he's certainly looking one of the fastest at the moment, but saying he's the fastest with only one race win and generally out qualified by his team mate sounds a bit naive to me.

Clearly.

Yet he is in front of Vettel in the points, and that's where it counts.
He has momentum and for the first time, a car that can deliver,on a mix of circuits and conditions.
Certainly going on the latest form, he could pass Button in 5 more races.
McLaren and Ferrari may take possible points away from both.

Hungaroring was a leveller, in terms of power as wing setting are relatively high. Red Bull gave away 10kph on fastest top speed, to half the field.

KERS was probably the winner here, for the first time this season.

MS will take points, but he is best for making setup decisions at the moment and as a bystander this is very difficult. So to have him in a car, Kimi will benifit greatly.

 

[Stevisiov]

Yet he is in front of Vettel in the points, and that's where it counts.
He has momentum and for the first time, a car that can deliver,on a mix of circuits and conditions.
Certainly going on the latest form, he could pass Button in 5 more races.
McLaren and Ferrari may take possible points away from both.

Yet Webber has less than 10% lead over Vettel, you would have thought someone who was clearly faster would have more wouldn't you?

Particularity against a driver who already has 4DNF's to his name this season, now points are points at the end of the day but what Mark has shown is its consistency that counts rather than being faster, so again I don't see any evidence of Mark being clearly the fastest driver in F1 at the moment.

To the topic at hand I think we will see Schumacher back on the podium this season, and I think its likely to push Kimi to drive faster. Ferrari may look strong towards the back end of this season.

 

[darkfinal]

Alonso is CLEARLY faster than Piquet.
Hamilton is CLEARLY faster than Kovalainen.
Rosberg is CLEARLY faster than Nakajima.

But Webber CLEARLY faster than Vettel? Wrong use of adverbs there, man.

 

[Stevisiov]

Alonso is CLEARLY faster than Piquet.
Hamilton is CLEARLY faster than Kovalainen.
Rosberg is CLEARLY faster than Nakajima.

But Webber CLEARLY faster than Vettel? Wrong use of adverbs there, man.

I think you made my point better than I did.

 

[Tom-D]

Even as a massive Webber fan i have to agree ^^^
Clearly more consistent? yes
Clearly faster? About as clear as mud that one.

 

[holl01]

5 tenths fastest lap in Hungary, quickest in Q2, won gp before that, i'd say at the moment, Webber is clearly the fastest driver in the field, he is clearly faster than Vettel aswell, has a better setup knowledge than him.

 

[Pupik]

You're right, Rubens holds the record. Doesn't make it more of a good idea to send a washed up driver with no sense of sportsmanship who relied upon driver aids, shady maneuvers and team orders to win 7 championships, all of which he won with absolutely no competition whatsoever, and rewrite every record in the book back on the track...

Take that back...some of those maneuvers were created in broad daylight!

 

[Alen Ramic]

Will see if Schumi still in top form, i'm looking forward to next race, cause Kimi and Schumi will drive together, but F60 still don't have performance for win. Hope one of these two will finish in podium.

 

[PeterJB]

I think I may be able to solve this Vettel-Webber Fiasco.

Because I'm a geek I made an Excel Table that gives points for Practice and Qualifying in the same way as the races. Vettel currently has 191 points, Webber has 177 points.

They're tied in Saturday Practice and Vettel has the edge in Qualifying and Friday Practice 2.

 

[Sureboss]

For qualifying is a good idea, but practice? Going to be so inaccurate.

 

[holl01]

I think I may be able to solve this Vettel-Webber Fiasco.

Because I'm a geek I made an Excel Table that gives points for Practice and Qualifying in the same way as the races. Vettel currently has 191 points, Webber has 177 points.

They're tied in Saturday Practice and Vettel has the edge in Qualifying and Friday Practice 2.

You also have to look at momentum situations, which of the 2 drivers's is carrying more momentum? Webber is the clear answer, 4 podiums in a row, which includes 1 victory, wheras Vettels situation is looking a bit grim, couple of DNF's and no victories in his last 4 or 5 races.

It appears as though Webber is gaining in confidence as he understands the car more, and as he gets used to leading the pack, one of the few things he hasn't experienced much of in his career. All roads point to Webber in the end, and that's exciting.

 

[PeterJB]

He won three races ago.

I don't believe that the last retirement was necessarily his fault as it was a mechanical thing rather than driver error, and he has out-qualified Webber in every race except for Germany. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

nevermind

 

[mipuumal]

Could it be that Webber fans are even more arrogant than Alonso fans?

j/k

 

[Vaxen]

Could it be that Webber fans are even more arrogant than Alonso fans?

j/k

Remember, fan is short for fanatic.

 

[mustang245]

Remember, fan is short for fanatic.

Touché!
Fernando Alonso is better than both of them. But I thought this thread was about Schumacher, who used slicks Friday last at Mugello on the F2007. Are the rules being bent for him or by him?

 

[NapoleonMikey]

Touché!
Fernando Alonso is better than both of them. But I thought this thread was about Schumacher, who used slicks Friday last at Mugello on the F2007. Are the rules being bent for him or by him?

what rule was bent? he didnt test the 2009 car he drove the 2007 car

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Touché!
Fernando Alonso is better than both of them. But I thought this thread was about Schumacher, who used slicks Friday last at Mugello on the F2007. Are the rules being bent for him or by him?

Schumacher's test had nothing to do with F1, officially. So he wasn't bound by any rules.

EDIT: I see now. So Schumacher is under investigation for the slick tyres he acquired?

 

[holl01]

I'm not an arrogant Mark Webber fan, I'm just using logic, Webber is second in the championship behind a faultering Brawn in Button, hence the most likely driver to win the championship, and to challenge Shumacer If he returns to his winning ways.

Fernando Alonso is not clearly better than Webber, they have never driven the same car so one cannot tell, its comments like these that are pathetic, you just have to laugh at them, and the people who make them. By

 

[in.s@ne]

Schumacher's test had nothing to do with F1, officially. So he wasn't bound by any rules.

EDIT: I see now. So Schumacher is under investigation for the slick tyres he acquired?

Couldn't Ferrari just claim them as their GT Racer's slick tyres on different rims?

Always a way around lol

 

[Small_Fryz]

the slicks were GP2 apparently

 

[Soundtrack]

the slicks were GP2 apparently

Ferrari agreeing on cost savings!