Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)
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The latest is basically the same:
I actually like the BRZFRS interior, especially with a little suede:
I actually like the BRZFRS interior, especially with a little suede:
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I get a good laugh from people when they act like having a fast car is a waste and how you'll never get to use any of that performance unless you go to a track.
Sure, I don't drive over 100mph or come through every turn tires squealing but if you think the fast cars on the road are wasting away in a perpetual state of grid lock...
btw, I like everything about that scion interior except the phone mounted next to the wheel.
I love when people do Alcantara wraps on interiors. 👍
Sure, I don't drive over 100mph or come through every turn tires squealing but if you think the fast cars on the road are wasting away in a perpetual state of grid lock...
btw, I like everything about that scion interior except the phone mounted next to the wheel.
I love when people do Alcantara wraps on interiors. 👍
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Mmmm me too. This risks going off topic, but I've something of an obsession with alcantara/suede dash wraps. They can take pretty humble interiors that have decent styling but poor material differentiation up quite a few notches in class:
350z:
G35 (V35)
(this picture actually makes me want a G35, a thought I've never had)
Unfortunately, no amount of material upgrading can fix the C6 Corvette (or GenCoupe, for that matter) interior, a car I desperately want to like but cannot:
350z:
G35 (V35)
(this picture actually makes me want a G35, a thought I've never had)
Unfortunately, no amount of material upgrading can fix the C6 Corvette (or GenCoupe, for that matter) interior, a car I desperately want to like but cannot:
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More standard equipment. More techno-doo-dads to hook up to my phone. More dealers that'll service my car when something goes wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of the FR-S/BRZ, but when I'd be buying one that I'd have to live with every single day, the Mustang checks more of the boxes that need to be checked. I'd just need to get those damn ponies off the car, first.
I'm quite confident that the '15 Mustang EcoBoost will hold its own in the sports coupe segment, as long as you try to not think of it as a traditional Mustang. With the Performance Pack option box ticked, I'm betting that it'll have the moves to hold its own. Of course, everyone's still worried about the mass of the car, and apparently it isn't far off the '15 V6, which isn't expected to be much off the current car (3500 lbs). At best we're looking at, what? A 3400 lb car? Not difficult to make handle if the engineers did their homework (given that its going to Europe, I'm guessing that they did), but as you've alluded to, it is a different kind of car.
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That looks better.There you go. WRX is everything and more, and just for5k$700 more.
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Because this is the '86:
And this is the Mustang:
It has 100 hp more. But it also weighs 800-lbs more. That is a HUGE difference. (As you can see)
This argument doesn't really work when the new Mustang has an entirely new suspension system that nobody has thoroughly tested yet.
Besides, the market has clearly shown that it prefers features and power over a light chassis. Like it or not, I'm sure the 2015 V6 Mustang will impinge on the BRZ's market.
That's an overly-simplistic way of looking at it. The GT500 is double the price of the cars we're discussing and is in a completely different segment than the V6, BRZ, or even the Boss 302.
You mean you can use the same model to satisfy different buyers with different needs? Mind = blown.
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dsgerbc
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Suuuuure, light and nimble coupes and heavy muscle cars are the same kind of market....
Next thing you know, you're comparing a Miata/Elise to a Camaro.
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I think you're over thinking it. I believe most people who purchase sports cars cross shop everything that can be considered a sports car, except of course the die hard fanboys (ex Mustang guys have to have a Mustang. I personally would cross shop a BRSFRZ and a Mustang (along with may other cars considered sports cars). Point is, nobody cross shops a Full size truck, a midsize family sedan and a 2 door sports cars, though many people do cross shop 2 door cars of many a variety.
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I dunno. It depends on the car - a lot of old Italian stuff has proper suede dotted about and it wears beautifully, becomes really nicely patinated over the years. Just as leather does, really.
Alcantara is a love/hate thing. The feel of it and the lack of slippyness is great on steering wheels and seats, and I imagine as a dashboard covering it reduces glare somewhat. But depending on how well it's been used it can age pretty badly, as you say. One of my favourite car interiors is the Ford Racing Puma, which has blue Alcantara on the steering wheel. Looks great in the linked image, but that shade of blue shows up dirt really quickly and makes the wheel look awful if it hasn't been cleaned.
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IRS or not, I'm talking about mass and weight. And (like most cars) the Mustang has plenty of it. Too much for my taste.
I wouldn't. And didn't. When it comes down to it, the Mustang has much broader appeal than the FT86 cars. People will purchase it in huge number for nostalgia alone. Perhaps not by much, but it is a more practical car. Where as the '86 is a very tightly focused car. And very much a niche car. You're always going to have those people who bought the 86 because of it's looks, or it's price, or because it was 'new' or 'cool' or 'hyped'. But as the newness wears off, buyers who purchase the car today, in 2015, in 2016 are likely to be much more single minded. Because if you buy this car as your daily driver, you have to be willing to put up with what it can't do. And what it isn't.
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Four seats, two doors, mainstream manufacturer, RWD, performance car. Yeah, nobody is going to cross shop these
By today's standards the Mustang isn't heavy and isn't really a muscle car. It sounds like you're operating off of elementary car stereotypes.
The majority of the market for these types of cars aren't people who devote hours of their free time to examining the minute differences in chassis design and weight management. It's people who go out looking for a sports car and come back with whatever seems to be the best choice.
You can try to ridicule as much as you want, doesn't change the fact that the BRZ is going to see competition from the Mustang.
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And that's my point exactly. You can get a nice camry v6 or an accord coupe v6 in those price ranges.
In a broad sense people cross-shop everything, because there's a single budget constraint. On can say "the market has spoken, people prefer houses to cars by a wide margin", simply because people spent a lot more money on rent/mortgage than on cars. But that would be stupid. As comparing a niche product to a mainstream DD car.
The majority shops for a nice-looking metal box to go to work in and maybe some power figures. Most mustang drivers do not give a hoot about it being RWD etc., and a lot of them DO cross shop Accords and probably other somewhat sporty FWD cars.
Pompously saying "the market has spoken" is boneheaded and laughable.
You can also say "the market has spoken, it like the FRS more than the BRZ", I'll then laugh even more.
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I would, actually, love an Accord V6 Coupe. The sedan (which we get here) is a right gas. Nice handling, comfortable ride, fantastic V6, nice interior (though whoever thought black sparkly mica and dark wood grain go together in one assembly was probably insane).
Faster than a BRZ, too. Just not around corners.
Jack Baruth just picked one up (Accord V6 Coupe). And he does take it to the track. (his previous cars have mostly been Porsches... he's a racing driver and instructor when he's not writing ridiculously mysoginistic (and entertaining) pieces for TTAC or Motor Trend.
Faster than a BRZ, too.
Just not around corners. Jack Baruth just picked one up (Accord V6 Coupe). And he does take it to the track. (his previous cars have mostly been Porsches... he's a racing driver and instructor when he's not writing ridiculously mysoginistic (and entertaining) pieces for TTAC or Motor Trend.
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We're not talking about people who shop for Camry's and Accords, we're talking about people looking for sporty cars. The majority of people looking for a sports car will cross shop a BRZ with a Mustang.
They haven't spoken. The 2015 Mustang just entered the market like last week. Either way, that's not what I said. For the second time in two pages your reading comprehension has failed.
But I didn't so you just look clueless.
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You can already get the Genesis Coupe in 2.0T for around the same price. That's already IRS, has an actual, usable back seat (just prop the hatch open if the guy sitting back there is over five feet tall...
Its only fault, really, is it's not quite as engaging as the 86. The steering still isn't as good as the Toyobaru, and the rear end, while perfectly fine for executing low-speed drifts and dealing with daily use, is still too loose and unpredictable for track work (not to mention the fact that the GC feels as wide as a bus compared to the 86). But again, if we're talking about making minor modifications to make the car "work"...
... Oops. http://thekoreancarblog.com/2014/05...2-0-turbo-engine-on-the-my2015-genesis-coupe/
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The wheels look tiny....
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IMHO that looks more like an individuals car than it does a test car. Wheels might be 17" but wouldn't be surprised if they were 16" because of how low that suspension is dropped. Combined with the Carbon parts and two different colors of wheel, I'm inclined to think it's not a Toyota test car (but I really have no good reason other than a gut feeling).
