Seasonal Tuning Challenge 2 :It's over. Thanks for coming :D

[CSLACR]

It's a rule! Stated in the OP. I don't care about loop holes or who found a way to get more, or if it doesn't make a differance. It is just something that needed to be followed. Cars that are at 381pp are not aloud, per the OP. Cars that have engine limit are not aloud, per the OP. Cars using Ballest are not aloud, per the OP.... does that make it clear? It is just a rule that needed to be followed. Simple as that. No reason, just a rule. to use what I said before if the OP wanted red cars, all cars would have to be red!....[/rant]

I understand this.
There are cars (multiple) that have been entered that have not followed this rule.

I'm quite confused why you're explaining the rules to me, when I haven't failed to follow or understand any of them. Perhaps redirect this to someone that is/was unclear on them.

Edit: I see now it's been changed.
I'm sorry, I don't know what to say to that, after a big long speech that the rules must be followed.

 

[GeeBaby]

I understand rules are rules but I thought it was just a friendly shootout, just for us to have some fun. Well at lease that what I was told. Worrying about oil is minor to me especially when we have to worry about how a tester is going to navigate traffic to get you a good total time.

I would just like to see some results, feedback and move on to getting some cars to test for the up coming shootout.

I read that the shootouts need promoting to get people to participate, it seems to be getting there so don't chase people away.

 

[krenkme]

I understand rules are rules but I thought it was just a friendly shootout, just for us to have some fun. Well at lease that what I was told. Worrying about oil is minor to me especially when we have to worry about how a tester is going to navigate traffic to get you a good total time.

I would just like to see some results, feedback and move on to getting some cars to test for the up coming shootout.

I read that the shootouts need promoting to get people to participate, it seems to be getting there so don't chase people away.

Yup, that is what this shootout is about, FUN!!! So lets continue to have FUN 👍 Thanks for putting us back on track

I also would love some more feed back and times please *puppy dog face*... oh wait, I'm a tester too

 

[XDesperado67]

Yup, that is what this shootout is about, FUN!!! So lets continue to have FUN 👍 Thanks for putting us back on track

I also would love some more feed back and times please *puppy dog face*... oh wait, I'm a tester too

Yeah so get testing and my "Pretty in Pink" better be under 10 minutes or we're having issues!

 

[CSLACR]

Because it's not fun to be told you aren't allowed to enter a car, and then when someone else enters it anyway, it's allowed. I guess I'm the only one that looked at cars that would have fit without oil and didn't disregard the very clearly discussed for 2 pages rule.

If it's just for fun though, why have the rules at all?

 

[krenkme]

Yeah so get testing and my "Pretty in Pink" better be under 10 minutes or we're having issues!

This is me we're talking about. I'd be lucky to get cars under 12min.

 

[CSLACR]

Tuesday evening...

Wow, all I wanted was a fun, quick shootout. I didn't expect this to turn into a heated debate.

The changing of the oil is just a regulation, just like a fully broken in car, 380pp, no power limiting, and no ballast. Just things that are stated in the OP and should be followed. If a host of a shootout stated that all cars should be red, all tuners would have to pain there car red. It is just a rule for the shootout, no reason behind it, just a thing that everyone has to do.

Sorry it is causing so many problems, I just wanted a fun mini-shootout

Tuesday night...

I was in a Spoon CR-Z until the discussion Tuesday about oil changes. I was very directly told (indirectly by being told oil change was mandatory) that the Spoon CR-Z was not eligible for this shootout, as defined by the host's regulations.

One single day later, at least 2 cars that could not possibly fit under these regulations were entered and accepted.



I really thought this was part of the purpose of the whole FITT thing, so these things wouldn't happen. I can see we want to change the topic though, so I'll leave you guys be, enjoy.

 

[ugabugaz]

Please remove my Spoon from the competition. Thank you.
You can still drive it if you wish, but officially I'd like to withdraw it.
No need to respond to this, thanks

 

[CSLACR]

Please remove my Spoon from the competition. Thank you.
You can still drive it if you wish, but officially I'd like to withdraw it.
No need to respond to this, thanks

You shouldn't do that at all.

The only issue I have here is the "follow the rules" "wait, it's just for fun" back-and-forth mentality every time the rules come up.

It can be one or the other, and I'm fine with either, but if it's "just for fun anyway" something of an apology for insisting on the rules to me and not others, or the offer to tune a car and release it in the next 2 days wouldn't hurt, it's just for fun, right?
And I would thank and politely decline, because it's really not a big deal to me.

Anything other than the slap in the face of "opposite syndrome". When I was questioning (by questioning I mean suggesting an alternative to accomplish the same goal) the rule, It was expressed as though I was being difficult, "rules are rules", but when that exact rule isn't followed a day later "it's just for fun, the rules don't have to be followed"?
I mean, seriously?

 

[shmogt]

Oh, other people have cars without oil changes and various other rule breakages while I had to rush to get a whole new car to meet rules... *blank face stare*

 

[XDesperado67]

Okay I feel the need to stick my nose back in here.

All these Shootouts are supposed to be for fun. That being said, just because they are just for fun isn't and shouldn't be an excuse to ignore the rules. As competitors we all at some point or other like to push the limits and as the saying goes, "if your not cheating your not trying". However ignoring a rule just because you find it inconvenient isn't acceptable for anyone and has been seen here can spoil the fun for others when we end up in ongoing debates. There are plenty of ways to push the limits and or "cheat" without blatantly disregarding rules that have been posted in black and white. As the police will tell you just before writing that ticket, "ignorance of the law is no excuse", likewise ignorance of an events rules is no excuse either.
Now the rules here stated that all cars had to be fully broken in with an engine overhaul and or oil change. If that placed said car over the PP limit then that car was ineligible for entry. The rules didn't specify that a car be low mileage so if someone had their heart set on a certain car that didn't quite make the limit for PP they could have "cheated" by simply finding a higher mileage copy or running the car they were tuning until it started suffering from permanent power loss. So yes there was a way around the issue if someone was dead set on a specific car but simply ignoring the rule regarding oil change/engine overhaul and fully breaking the car in wasn't the way to go about it.
I know I said earlier I wasn't going to vote yes or no on the latest tunes in question, but in all fairness to those who either earlier changed their tunes or failed to enter a tune because of compliance with the rules, I feel it would only be fair to disqualify those currently not in compliance.

Again yes this is just for fun but for it to remain fun for all everyone has to follow the same set of rules. GTPlanet has a set of rules we all agreed to follow, if I don't follow those rules I can expect to suffer some consequence at some point. Those rules don't prevent me from having fun on GTPlanet but insure it remains a fun place for all of us.

Thanks and peace to all.
Doug aka Ol'Harvey Wallbanger

 

[lldantell]

My Prius still gonna have the same results when I oil change it so it doesn't matter if I have to oil change my prius

 

[DigitalBaka]

Time for my two cents.

For STC1 all tuners were required to use the same car. As any (significant) power change could have had a large impact my intention was to minimize any change due to the oil becoming a factor. As Roj linked our conversation you can see my thinking with regard to enforcement. It isn't something you will be able to do unless you are diligent about checking every tune before and after a test run. Even then you may not be able to tell how it affected the tune or the test run.

This first came up during the Indy shootout as Praiano's ZZII was actually losing a good bit of power around the speedway and it was affecting his lap time negatively. Then we had a car that squeaked under the PP limit in Monaco and destroyed the competition.

Call it growing pains or learning curve or what have you but I think what krenkme and myself and others have tried to do is to keep things honest. There are those of us that will make do with whatever the rules may be and those that will look to find ways to eke out as much as they can however they can. Neither way is inherently good or bad and I don't mean to offend, of course. Just different ways of competing. The oil change idea is just meant to level the field for everyone, not cause a headache.

For future I would be more than satisfied with saying no oil change light on and make sure that power will not significantly change if run by testers for an extended period. I think that accomplishes the spirit of what the rule was meant to be without becoming the elephant in the garage.

In this case, for this shootout I am happy to let everything stay as it is. I see no reason to DQ anyone or make things more tense. I would ask that every just keep a level head and remember you can still have fun even with rules to follow.

 

[shmogt]

Well it's like the Olympics. You have competitors from all over the world trying to win and they know exactly what the rules are before entering. Yes those competitors can use things like steroids to cheat and still be excepted to compete, but if found out they lose the right and are disqualified. Basically if you didn't oil change or something sneaky to get your car in it is frowned upon but unless someone finds out you're good. If someone does catch you tho you're disqualified instantly. It's the risk you take to win.

 

[lldantell]

STC 2 TESTS

krenkme - Suzuki Cervo SR '07
Lap 1: 1:59.239
Lap 2: 1:57.692
Lap 3: 1:58.054
Lap 4: 1:57.904
Lap 5: 1:58.177
Total: 9:51.066

Onboy123 - Peugeot 106 S16 '03
Lap 1: 1:57.477
Lap 2: 1:58.608
Lap 3: 1:55.916
Lap 4: 1:55.408
Lap 5: 1:56.630
Total: 9:44.039

trackripper - Volkswagen Lupo GTI '01
Lap 1: 1:58.228
Lap 2: 1:56.524
Lap 3: 1:57.389
Lap 4: 1:55.904
Lap 5: 1:57.847
Total: 9:45.892

Jollygreen - Honda CRX SiR '90
Lap 1: 1:56.999
Lap 2: 1:55.707
Lap 3: 1:54.587
Lap 4: 1:54.067
Lap 5: 1:54.668
Total: 9:36.028

XDesperado67 - Toyota Celica GT-R '91
Lap 1: 1:58.015
Lap 2: 1:56.837
Lap 3: 1:55.876
Lap 4: 1:55.886
Lap 5: 1:55.623
Total: 9:42.237

Geebaby - Hyundai Tiburon Turbulence '99
Lap 1: 1:56.910
Lap 2: 1:57.275
Lap 3: 1:54.920
Lap 4: 1:54.274
Lap 5: 1:54.806
Total: 9:38.185

NEWDRIVER2 - Honda Civic 1500 3door 25I '83
Lap 1: 2:00.008
Lap 2: 1:58.330
Lap 3: 1:58.319
Lap 4: 1:59.335
Lap 5: 1:58.027
Total: 9:54.019

VTiRoj - Mazda Atenza Sport 25Z '07
Lap 1: 1:57.734
Lap 2: 1:58.951
Lap 3: 1:56.531
Lap 4: 1:55.376
Lap 5: 1:56.120
Total: 9:44.712

Theo777 - Honda Accord Coupe '88
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DigitalBaka - Toyota Yaeris RS Turbo '02
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Jackthalad - Eagle Talon ESI '97
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Shmogt - Honda CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '95
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GranTurismo - Opel Corsa Comfort 1.4 '01
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LineR32 - Infiniti G20 '90
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ugabugaz - Spoon CR-Z '10
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LanceVance - Daihatsu Cuore TR-XX AVANZATO R (J) '97
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Have you got the results yet for 12 of these cars

 

[Onboy123]

Have you got the results yet for 12 of these cars

Obviously not.

 

[trackripper123]

I think it's getting to the stage now where it's only fair to disqualify those who did not follow the rules laid out in the OP...

 

[Onboy123]

I think it's getting to the stage now where it's only fair to disqualify those who did not follow the rules laid out in the OP...

Why must you keep beating on this dead horse…I thought this was already settled? Or am I wrong?

I personally think that in this context of a "light-hearted shootout", rules should be enforced, but not so stringently as to DQ all those who failed to meet the rules. I'd say we give them at the most 24 hours to rebuild their car's parts list to comply with the oil change and leave it at that.

 

[krenkme]

Do to the curent issues and the constent bickering, I have no choice but to cancel this event.

All that have entered, lease PM me with your car choice (any tradable premium car. ANY ). This goes for those that were testers as well.

Sorry it has come to this, but I feel this is the only way to please those with the issues.

Roj, I'll be sending you the Today G in the next few days.

 

[Onboy123]

Do to the curent issues and the constent bickering, I have no choice but to cancel this event.

All that have entered, lease PM me with your car choice (any tradable premium car. ANY ). This goes for those that were testers as well.

Sorry it has come to this, but I feel this is the only way to please those with the issues.

Roj, I'll be sending you the Today G in the next few days.

Well isn't that dandy.


Really smooth move guys, really smooth.

Ah well, we all learned something. I learned that the large majority of us are actually either illiterate or blind, and everyone else should hopefully learn to read the bloody rules.

 

[C-ZETA]

So tuning has become politics for the day.

Nice job breaking it, guys.

 

[JackWilson]

Ok so what has happened here, why has it been cancelled?

 

[amzgspider]

This is effin stupid you guys act like its the indy 500 for christ sake its a flippin game get over your selves.
I think Ill go back to the market place where people are actually friendly and try to help one another. If any testers tried out my car some constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated. Thank you,
amzgspider.

 

[Onboy123]

So tuning has become politics for the day.

Nice job breaking it, guys.

More the "ethics" behind tuning, but yea. This is the first time you've said something in this week where I've kind of agreed with everything said and not felt the need to clobber you in the face with a bat.


I still think that cancelling is completely unnecessary though. I say we give those tuners at best a 24 hour period starting now for them to oil change their cars, pull a few parts off and submit.

Ok so what has happened here, why has it been cancelled?

See posts above.

This is effin stupid you guys act like its the indy 500 for crist sake its a flippin game get over your selves.

Who's ego was ever on the line? It was always the issue of "oil, to change or not to change", which is pointless to argue about in this case as it was written, from day one, that oil changes were mandatory.

 

[trackripper123]

I personally think that in this context of a "light-hearted shootout", rules should be enforced, but not so stringently as to DQ all those who failed to meet the rules. I'd say we give them at the most 24 hours to rebuild their car's parts list to comply with the oil change and leave it at that.

That's a good idea actually. Give them 24 hours to change it, and if it breaks 380PP, to change car entirely.

 

[ugabugaz]

Please, don't cancel the competition. I dunno if it's just me with the Trojan car but in any case I submitted to be removed a couple of hours ago. Hopefully you saw that. A bit of laziness (a lot) on my part led me not to fully comply, sorry. I never intended to gain an unfair advantage or anything of the sort. I just really liked the car and wanted to tune it but really ran out of time to do everything properly - I won't go into anymore detail, I'm at fault

There's plenty of tunas whose cars are just fine, so at least let them have some fun battling it out.

 

[Onboy123]

That's a good idea actually.

Nope. Because some people will start picking at that idea, saying "ohh they'd have to do X/Y/Z to the gearbox to adapt it and they'll gain an unfair advantage…"

…of such a small size that it doesn't bloody matter.

Choices at this point seems to be this:
1. 24 hours from 3PM GMT+8 onwards to fix up the oil issue, miss it? Tough, no excuses.
2. DQ all those who failed to meet the deadline without changing oil. Again, don't like it? Tough.
3. Shut the damn thing down and we all go bitter at each other for the next few days.

 

[trackripper123]

Nope. Because some people will start picking at that idea, saying "ohh they'd have to do X/Y/Z to the gearbox to adapt it and they'll gain an unfair advantage…"

…of such a small size that it doesn't bloody matter.

Choices at this point seems to be this:
1. 24 hours from 3PM GMT+8 onwards to fix up the oil issue, miss it? Tough, no excuses.
2. DQ all those who failed to meet the deadline without changing oil. Again, don't like it? Tough.
3. Shut the damn thing down and we all go bitter at each other for the next few days.

Well it's either 1, which is more reasonable, or 2 which is harsher but as you say, tough to those who didn't read the OP. Let's not sour the mood before Despy's Annual FF Shootout with 3 though... Of course it's down to krenkme in the end.

 

[XDesperado67]

Just want to tell krenkme I'm sorry for my part in making this mess and hope he doesn't get put off from running future events because he has generally created and ran very fun Shootouts.
Peace everyone and stay strong krenkme.

 

[amzgspider]

More the "ethics" behind tuning, but yea. This is the first time you've said something in this week where I've kind of agreed with everything said and not felt the need to clobber you in the face with a bat.


I still think that cancelling is completely unnecessary though. I say we give those tuners at best a 24 hour period starting now for them to oil change their cars, pull a few parts off and submit.



See posts above.



Who's ego was ever on the line? It was always the issue of "oil, to change or not to change", which is pointless to argue about in this case as it was written, from day one, that oil changes were mandatory.

Thats my point Its a damn oil change that might give someone a slight advantage "might" to win a virtual car that all of can afford buy for our slevs. I get that rules are rules and they should be followed but they were not so what run the cars and see what happens. I just entered to see if I had learned anything from all the great info that has been put out there for people to read. I give cars away every day I could care less about a prise I just wanted some tips on tuning.