Shift 2 v1.02 Patch
- Thread starter BryantFC
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- gtp_iLex
As far as I know, these companies are EA, but operate under their own name, right? Much as the Sony game companies (Guerilla being the Dutch one). It is not like SMS can decide to make their own game withou EA all of a sudden.
So, all the people at SMS are on the EA payroll and anything they do is authorized and payed by EA.
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- Gassolini
^ I got the impression that SMS is an independent developer commissioned to make the Shift games for EA. A little while ago there was talk about work drying up at SMS after S2U and that they might get into trouble (i.e. no paychecks from EA). The suggestion from Ian Bell of doing that community funded sim also indicates that they're independent. Oh yes, and according to Wikipedia they're independent. I can't seem to find a company/about -section on their own website though.
DJ
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I think it's just a catch all for just about everything in the software industry from hardware compatibility to bug hunting to testing/gameplay feedback. Certainly everywhere I've worked there's pretty much no distinction drawn. Though internally EA do have different names for the teams/processes.
HKS racer
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GT5 is not the only racing game to compare with, and it wasn't a real comparasation, I was just saying I have a working product and I would like to buy another one, a shame Shift 2, had all these frezees. I really can't see the problem, so why keep bitching about it like a 11years old? And why in the world rFactor does have nothing to do with this discussion? Is GT5 the only game we can eventually compare Shift with? LOL. Don't you know Shift come from the Gmotor 2.0 ISI engine which is the same of rFactor?
They are strictly related. And about your ignorant statement "you seemed biased towards GT5" I've higly critized Poliphony for their short comings, use the search button, read my signature as well, and now stop labeling people for YOUR misunderstanding. 
Seriously.
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- TPC_Raccooon23
- CRaccoon23
GT5 is not the only racing game to compare with, and it wasn't a real comparasation, I was just saying I have a working product and I would like to buy another one, a shame Shift 2, had all these frezees. I really can't see the problem, so why keep bitching about it like a 11years old? And why in the world rFactor does have nothing to do with this discussion? Is GT5 the only game we can eventually compare Shift with? LOL. Don't you know Shift come from the Gmotor 2.0 ISI engine which is the same of rFactor?
Fair enough. You aren't being biased towards GT5, and you're right, there was a misunderstanding. I didn't even really take a good look at your sig either to be honest.
But please take your own advice too. Like I said, I'm not excusing Shift 2's problems and you haven't shown me where, after asking you several times. So don't go labeling me either, and making me look like an EA fanboy or making it look like I'm defending them for not fixing problems yet. I have never cared about EA and I'm not starting now.
Really, I think it would be wise to end this here before it gets too personal, and a mod has to step in. So I'm done here.
Later!
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- FLX81
For reals, that answer they gave you is a joke and borderline offensive. The second you start to drive a fast car on a 2 min+ track the game can freeze any second and they have to know that! It froze on me 7 times today alone! 2 x on the ring with the Bentley works, 2 times between menus of the F1 championship, 2 times at Donington with the F1 and 1 time at Bathurst... 
Once again, how the flying hell could this game even pass the quality control like that?!? 👎👎👎
Once again, how the flying hell could this game even pass the quality control like that?!? 👎👎👎
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- magicaldog
I'm not touching this game until we get a 1.03 Patch !
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- Porto-Portugal
- arvore
- FCP CAMPEÕES
Hopefully there will be, it seems confirmed right? ,a patch version 1.03 and the freezing bug gets fixed by it, it's really the only "game breaker" problem, for me, in this game.All other little flaws-like the sound bug that I get like once a week and usually a restart fixes it, or the wrong way in the starting line bug, also rare, fortunately- I can live with.But that one is mandatory to be fixed!
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- magicaldog
It's a complete mystery to me how a gamedeveloper can release such an unfinished game !
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- tribolik
Hopefully there will be, it seems confirmed right? ,a patch version 1.03 and the freezing bug gets fixed by it, it's really the only "game breaker" problem, for me, in this game.All other little flaws-like the sound bug that I get like once a week and usually a restart fixes it, or the wrong way in the starting line bug, also rare, fortunately- I can live with.But that one is mandatory to be fixed!
Theres a patch currently in QA and I just hope the EA costumer support service doesnt know about it because if it does than that means the freezing as not been adressed... and Im like you on this one... there are quite a few little bugs Id like to see sorted, though I can live with them... but the freezing really ruins it for me...
magicaldog
It's no mystery. They release unfinished games because consumers in general have no self control and require instant gratification. They would rather buy a broken game and cry about it than refuse to buy unfinished goods.
Don't blame the companies, blame the people who keep showing them it's ok to do. If nobody bought broken games, nobody would make them. Simple supply and demand.
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- gtp_iLex
Thanks, really refreshing.
It's what we get for having online connectivity. Remember the days where only PC games got patches (and even expansion packs, whoa!) and consoles got finished games, ah takes me back...
Those games did have bugs though, but they seem to have been tested a lot better.
I remember GTA SA, where sometimes your cars would disappear from your garage.
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- magicaldog
It's impossible to check if a game is OK before you buy it !
You expect things to work when you by stuff.
It's the developers responsibility to make sure it works as it should.
Only they have the possibility to test !
In the long run the developers will suffer if they keep putting out unfinished products.
It's idiots like Spoil-t that keep the developers putting out unfinished games.
I have bought my last NFS game for sure !
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- TechnobearRacing
- TheTechnobear
Some interesting points raised here...
* More bugs in released software today?
I think the key problem here is complexity, software is much more complex these days, and this leads to more issues... team sizes and release cycles have not (and cannot) grow to match. Expectation from users has also grown too.
(simply put, 1 binary option = 2 permutations, 2 = 4 , 8 = 256 ... now think of how many variables there are in a sim, how many hardware options etc)
I think the ease of patching MAY sub consciously mean release is not as much D Day as it used to be, but teams still try to release without known issues.
Publishers, these are investors, and demand certain time frames for ROI, this is perfectly reasonable - but software development is notoriously for missing deadlines.
* ongoing support responsibility
This ones tricky as I don't develop retail products... Though I have developed for bespoke 3rd party software.
There has to be a contractual limitation to this, for it to be commercial.
I'm sure it will probably be time and perhaps # patches limited, where EA choose what goes in each - the idea being, they pick the highest priority that are hurting reputation/sales.
Also SMS will want to continue to develop their framework/engine, so won't mind patching this UNTIL it becomes incompatible. All software projects at some point find it difficult to maintain old version as new version has moved on... and of course for retail they need you to buy new version.
So really it is EA you need to pressure, as they control the purse strings.
Unfortunately, the way game sales seem to be, they have little incentive to push a game after initial release unless they are protecting a 'series' , which I think is why you see more patches for the likes of gt5/forza.
Perhaps the iRacing model would be better, gives more incentive for continual improvement ?
* More bugs in released software today?
I think the key problem here is complexity, software is much more complex these days, and this leads to more issues... team sizes and release cycles have not (and cannot) grow to match. Expectation from users has also grown too.
(simply put, 1 binary option = 2 permutations, 2 = 4 , 8 = 256 ... now think of how many variables there are in a sim, how many hardware options etc)
I think the ease of patching MAY sub consciously mean release is not as much D Day as it used to be, but teams still try to release without known issues.
Publishers, these are investors, and demand certain time frames for ROI, this is perfectly reasonable - but software development is notoriously for missing deadlines.
* ongoing support responsibility
This ones tricky as I don't develop retail products... Though I have developed for bespoke 3rd party software.
There has to be a contractual limitation to this, for it to be commercial.
I'm sure it will probably be time and perhaps # patches limited, where EA choose what goes in each - the idea being, they pick the highest priority that are hurting reputation/sales.
Also SMS will want to continue to develop their framework/engine, so won't mind patching this UNTIL it becomes incompatible. All software projects at some point find it difficult to maintain old version as new version has moved on... and of course for retail they need you to buy new version.
So really it is EA you need to pressure, as they control the purse strings.
Unfortunately, the way game sales seem to be, they have little incentive to push a game after initial release unless they are protecting a 'series' , which I think is why you see more patches for the likes of gt5/forza.
Perhaps the iRacing model would be better, gives more incentive for continual improvement ?
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- magicaldog
We who buy these games should in fact get paid for using them because we act as bug testers!
I asked EA support (norway) if the freezing problem on PS3 will be fixed, and if there is another patch coming. Their answer: "I don't know".
So I don't think there's any way we can put pressure on them.
We just have to accept that the game will not be fixed, and I will return my copy to the store and demand a full refund.
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bredita
let us know how you get on with that mate.
HKS racer
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He can talk with Consumers Assocations, even in my country there's a law that force companies to refund when the product is not working as it should.
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- Gassolini
^ In Norway, yes, there's 2 years of warranty, unless otherwise was agreed upon at the sale, and furthermore up to 5 years if it's reasonable to assume that the product should work for more than that. We also have rules for the return of unwanted goods, which is far shorter, but that's quite different from the warrantry covering defective goods. The supplier/manufacturer have three attempts at repairing the product, then they have to give you the money back.
I've returned a number of defective software products in my time (none in Norway though, which should be easier due to good consumer protection). You just have to be steadfast and remind them of the law and the fact that software is also a product which should fulfill it's advertised/claimed function.
Unfortunately, consumers have a tendency to accept defective software products, due to the 'mystery' surrounding them, which is not exactly putting pressure on software companies to deliver working products. I'm guilty myself, e.g. in the case of S2U - but it's a dilemma; you may have to accept (glaring and incapacitating) defects in order to partake in the working/fun bits... I don't like the direction this has taken one bit though.
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I've returned a number of defective software products in my time (none in Norway though, which should be easier due to good consumer protection). You just have to be steadfast and remind them of the law and the fact that software is also a product which should fulfill it's advertised/claimed function.
Unfortunately, consumers have a tendency to accept defective software products, due to the 'mystery' surrounding them, which is not exactly putting pressure on software companies to deliver working products. I'm guilty myself, e.g. in the case of S2U - but it's a dilemma; you may have to accept (glaring and incapacitating) defects in order to partake in the working/fun bits... I don't like the direction this has taken one bit though.
DJ
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- magicaldog
I learned one thing from this game !
NEVER EVER BUY A ELECTRONIC ARTS GAME ! 👎👎👎
NEVER EVER BUY A ELECTRONIC ARTS GAME ! 👎👎👎
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- bmw2sq
Not me... I am getting more racing enjoyment from this game than any other I can remember. Yes, there are problem areas that should be fixed (probably won't) but for the most part a great racing game. The good out weigh the bad - in my opinion.
I agree that EA may continue to release unfinished or buggy software if the titles still sell well but I cannot say I would never from them again.
