Shooting inside Colorado movie theater during Batman premier

[Tornado]

So if you go around expressing your opinion about who should or should not have been a moderator, whether past or present, you're calling Jordan's judgement into question. Was that your intent?

I'm actually somewhat curious what this question is supposed to represent for this back and forth here.


Because I know what it looks like to me; but when you just assured berguak that what he said wasn't what was happening, I'm legitimately curious. What would happen if McLaren answered that question?

 

[Akira AC]

Point is, Jordan gets to decide who should or should not a Moderator. Your opinion on the subject is irrelevant, no matter how compelling it might be for you.

So if you go around expressing your opinion about who should or should not have been a moderator, whether past or present, you're calling Jordan's judgement into question. Was that your intent?

If I'm getting this right, he asks if he is being warn for ban, because the way that it was presented suggested it to be a threat.

I understand the following the AUP and the functions of the moderation, however presenting in such way makes it looks like threat doesn't seem fair in the subject warn, or moderation grounds for that matter. Besides, while Jordan do have a say on who might or who might not be a moderator, that doesn't make moderators "exclusive" from any kind of faults, like being threaten with ban, as it was implied.

 

[McLaren]

Point is, Jordan gets to decide who should or should not a Moderator. Your opinion on the subject is irrelevant, no matter how compelling it might be for you.

So if you go around expressing your opinion about who should or should not have been a moderator, whether past or present, you're calling Jordan's judgement into question. Was that your intent?

That's not how your post came across however. It sounded to me like you were going to threaten me by telling me I'll wish you weren't a moderator. What other reason would I wish that for?

Regardless, no that was not my intent & I'd appreciate it if you'd try to not twist my words into that.

That was the only point of my post. It was a fair warning, for borderline behavior. Argue the point? Fine. Direct comments toward an individual that could be construed as abusive? Not fine.

So, prisoner is allowed to tell others to "mind their own" business & not be warned himself? Exactly my point on his role.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

So, prisoner is allowed to tell others to "mind their own" business & not be warned himself? Exactly my point on his role.

Moderator action is between the moderator and the person they are reprimanding. Nobody else needs to know the details.

 

[McLaren]

Moderator action is between the moderator and the person they are reprimanding. Nobody else needs to know the details.

There was no moderator action at all in our discussion. All that happened was you telling me you didn't like my attitude & you were ignoring what I posted. Toronado was reiterating what I pointed out & you told him to stay out of it.

 

[Zenith]

I really blame this on gun laws. There should be a psychiatric screening before you can legally purchase a gun,

The Gun Control Act of 1968 and some legislation from 2008 in response to the Virginia Tech killings make it basically required that all states to provide data on psychiatrically unfit individuals to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). These efforts are certainly commendable, but they have done far too little to protect the public.

I can use a gun to injure and kill people.

I can use a kitchen knife to injure and kill people.

I can use a car to injure and kill people.

Why does the first one need a mental health checkup?

but then you have gun toting piece of **** Republicans (Sorry to any Republicans) wanting their bull**** gun amendment enforced

I know several Democrats who own guns and actively support gun rights. I am not a Republican and I support gun rights.

A Democrat (or Libertarian or what have you) has the same ability to stand up for their beliefs.

when they don't even know what the hell this is actually causing.

So you're saying that the 2nd Amendment caused this shooting?

I'm sorry but I really don't know what to say about this anymore and all I have is just anger to spew out and the things that could have been done to prevent such a tragic and heinous crime

A law abiding citizen with a gun could have responded to and prematurely ended this tragic and heinous crime. You seem to think, however, that if Holmes had been unable to procure the guns legally he would not have committed this act. Considering that he was intent on murdering people and had also procured explosives, body armor, and tear gas, I'd say that a law against buying guns would have done little to stop him. It's easy to obtain a gun outside of the law's reach.

 

[EDK]

I'm actually somewhat curious what this question is supposed to represent for this back and forth here.


Because I know what it looks like to me; but when you just assured berguak that what he said wasn't what was happening, I'm legitimately curious. What would happen if McLaren answered that question?

No consequences for answering that question. It was a legitimate question, in light of the position the post creator was taking on the Moderator selection.

I'm not threatening anyone here. You might not know me very well, since most of my posts are made here.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=117

But I have to tell you, it takes a lot for me to get involved in this sort of conversation.

If I'm getting this right, he asks if he is being warn for ban, because the way that it was presented suggested it to be a threat.

I understand the following the AUP and the functions of the moderation, however presenting in such way makes it looks like threat doesn't seem fair in the subject warn, or moderation grounds for that matter. Besides, while Jordan do have a say on who might or who might not be a moderator, that doesn't make moderators "exclusive" from any kind of faults, like being threaten with ban, as it was implied.

In that particular post (or any other), I was not warning him for anything, and certainly not a ban.

That's not how your post came across however. It sounded to me like you were going to threaten me by telling me I'll wish you weren't a moderator. What other reason would I wish that for?

Regardless, no that was not my intent & I'd appreciate it if you'd try to not twist my words into that.

My point was that if you wish any member of staff to no longer be a member of staff, you're calling the decision maker's abilities into question.

One way or the other, I'm not threatening you. If you read my posts again, I think that point will be clear to you.

That's not how your post came across however. It sounded to me like you were going to threaten me by telling me I'll wish you weren't a moderator. What other reason would I wish that for?

Regardless, no that was not my intent & I'd appreciate it if you'd try to not twist my words into that.

So, prisoner is allowed to tell others to "mind their own" business & not be warned himself? Exactly my point on his role.

Have an issue with a post another member makes? Report it. I don't see one of those from you in the last several hours.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

There was no moderator action at all in our discussion. All that happened was you telling me you didn't like my attitude & you were ignoring what I posted. Toronado was reiterating what I pointed out & you told him to stay out of it.

Yes. And that's as far as your involvement goes. You questioned why I was not warned by a moderator for telling Toronado off:

So, prisoner is allowed to tell others to "mind their own" business & not be warned himself? Exactly my point on his role.

And as I said, moderator action is between the moderator and the person they are reprimanding. If I was reprimanded for it, then that is between myself and EDK (or whichever moderator is addressing the issue). You don't need to know about it, because the moderators don't do things by mob justice. You can, however, rest assured that in every case they encounter, the moderators will take whatever action they feel is appropriate, when they feel it is appropriate - even if they don't do it in the public space of the forum. Otherwise, it is not for your eyes to see.

 

[McLaren]

My point was that if you wish any member of staff to no longer be a member of staff, you're calling the decision maker's abilities into question.

One way or the other, I'm not threatening you. If you read my posts again, I think that point will be clear to you.

Telling someone, "next thing you know, you'll wish I wasn't [insert whatever here]" comes across as an aggressive tone. So, forgive me if I wasn't the only person who seemed to have thought that to be a threat.

As far as the decision maker, I'll PM him if I really have an issue with it. However, the moderator in question resigned.

 

[nobuffalo]

Will you guys shut up?

 

[EDK]

Telling someone, "next thing you know, you'll wish I wasn't [insert whatever here]" comes across as an aggressive tone. So, forgive me if I wasn't the only person who seemed to have thought that to be a threat.

As far as the decision maker, I'll PM him if I really have an issue with it. However, the moderator in question resigned.

X comes off as an aggressive tone if you don't agree with it.

My only point in posting here was to remind you of the AUP you agreed to and are currently walking the Tightrope of.

Not a threat, a fact.

Will you guys shut up?

Hi, I like Diamond Knot's Beer.

You asking me to shut up?

 

[nobuffalo]

I'm asking you guys quit talking about something that no longer has anything to do with the topic of the thread, take it to pm perhaps? Basically, yeah, I'm asking if you all will stop the bickering, or shut up, or whatever you want to call it.

Hi, I like Diamond Knot's Beer.

I just moved here, I will now have to try some.

 

[Schwartz]

Why are you having a pride driven argument in a thread discussing the murders of at least 12 people? I would have some choice words for all involved, but that would be hypocritical and highly innapropriate. You should all know better. This stops now.

 

[EDK]

I'm asking you guys quit talking about something that no longer has anything to do with the topic of the thread, take it to pm perhaps? Basically, yeah, I'm asking if you all will stop the bickering, or shut up, or whatever you want to call it.

Why are you having a pride driven argument in a thread discussing the murders of at least 12 people? I would have some choice words for all involved, but that would be hypocritical and highly innapropriate. You should all know better. This stops now.

Thing is, I didn't start this, and you don't get to decide on the topic of moderation.

I agree that it's unfortunate that it has occurred in this thread, mindful of the subject matter, but this is not a personal agenda, it's an enforcement of site rules agenda.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, we need to move on. But I gotta say, even the on-topic post sucks, blaming political party and attacking NRA over a crazy, who could have easily found other means of attacking theater full of people.

I heard Brian Ross of ABC(same hack who invented that self-driving Toyota) reported that Holmes was a Tea Party member? What if he was? What does that have to do with anything? Are all democrats sane, don't own guns or respect gun rights, and never murder?

There are times stereotypes are true. However, tying mass-murder like this to mainstream political belief, or party is just absurd.

 

[Bopop4]

Will you guys shut up?

+1
Seems disrespectful to be arguing over a petty internet fight when this tragedy has occurred.

 

[Zenith]

Unfortunately 75% of this story will be about the media's coverage of it. People are going to use the shooting and the reactions to the shooting as ammunition (no pun intended) for their own agendas.

I'm going to continue to ignore the TV news outlets.

 

[a6m5]

I'm going to continue to ignore the TV news outlets.

I boycott Brian Ross. I was watching the ABC thing on the shooting until he came on, switched right over to my local news. I really question the credibility of ABC news by them featuring a con artist like him as one of their lead reporters.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I didn't know that was his mugshot. Plus, I'd assume his hair would still be painted red if it were. But I'm probably wrong.

Its not his mugshot. Its from his college ID. Oh nm MClaren already confirmed that.

 

[arora]

Mugshot or not, is it likely they guy found instant remorse? I doubt it.

I'm more curious atm about his apartment, with the booby trap and such, if the news is anywhere near accurate... or if the fbi is honest... it sounded like a very well planed out plot.

We know the guy is very smart, looks like he was very disappointed at limited employment opportunities after a stellar under grad works. It does not seem likely to me he quit his post grad because he could not cut it. Something snapped, and that is what the focus should be on, we have serious social issues in this land and they are not going to simply go away with 'catch the ones who lash out and punish' deeper things need to be addressed.

As for making this a gun control thread? Just another way to avoid the real issues imo.

EDIT: Of course, thoughts and prayers go out to all the victim's families

 

[homeforsummer]

Unfortunately 75% of this story will be about the media's coverage of it. People are going to use the shooting and the reactions to the shooting as ammunition (no pun intended) for their own agendas.

I'm going to continue to ignore the TV news outlets.

Good on you. It's a pity the TV news outlets don't ignore the story itself, to some extent:

(Language warning)

 

[That90sGuy]

Don't know if this has been posted yet but here is director Christopher Nolan's reaction to this tradgedy

"Speaking on behalf of the cast and crew of The Dark Knight Rises, I would like to express our profound sorrow at the senseless tragedy that has befallen the entire Aurora community.

I would not presume to know anything about the victims of the shooting but that they were there last night to watch a movie.

I believe movies are one of the great American art forms and the shared experience of watching a story unfold on screen is an important and joyful pastime.

The movie theatre is my home, and the idea that someone would violate that innocent and hopeful place in such an unbearably savage way is devastating to me.

Nothing any of us can say could ever adequately express our feelings for the innocent victims of this appalling crime, but our thoughts are with them and their families."

- Christopher Nolan

Link to where I found it:

 

[a6m5]

Good on you. It's a pity the TV news outlets don't ignore the story itself, to some extent:

(Language warning)

So very true about the rubbernecking. While I resist to do it on the road, I am very guilty of doing it with news programs. I eat this stuff up, which contributes to attention whoring criminals like this James Holmes.

Very insightful video. 👍

 

[photonrider]

.....SnipX...... which contributes to attention whoring criminals like this.....XsnipX

I agree, so help me out here. This has been reported as the single largest mass shooting in the States history, but let's put aside the shooter (maybe for life) and focus on the many.

Let's devote some attention to the others involved in this tragedy - THE VICTIMS.

The more we hear about these good people, the more we share in the grief that they are gone, the more attention we give their names, the greater chance they will be enshrined in the memory of whatever humanity we carry into the future.

We don't have a lot to go on right now - but maybe fellow members can do some research - the media is very sparing when it comes to news of the victims (though some news networks (maybe local ones) are carrying more news of these young, innocent folk who were merely out to enjoy an evening's entertainment only to have all their dreams ended randomly by an anomalous human.)

JESSICA GHAVI - 24 yrs.
- aspiring sportscaster.

MICAYLA MEDEC - 23 yrs.
- free spirit.

ALEX SULLIVAN -27 yrs
- celebrating 1st wedding anni/b'day (?)

JOHN LARIMER - 27 yrs
- navy, first post.

MATT MCQUINN -

 

[Ross]

Just saw this:

I think it's a fantastic idea. Not my photo, I'm just sharing it.

 

[mattythedog]

That idea's been all over the place, and I too think its a brilliant idea.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Yes, that shouldn't be traumatic at all.

I can see absolutely no downside to this.

Besides you know... Now they have psychologically tied Batman to an extremely traumatic event....

But you know, that's just a small issue. Absolutely nothing should go wrong.

 

[CAM]

When someone said he didn't find instant remorse, I feel like there are a couple of things that would oppose that point of view. First, he told the police his place was booby trapped out the wazoo, when clearly the intent was to kill the police as well. I don't see why he would do this unless the killing was starting to hit his conscience. Also, if he had an AR-15, I have a gut feeling he could have done a lot more damage than he did if some kind of remorse didn't kick in.

But that's probably just me trying to look for a positive in a negative situation.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

The dude supposedly bought 6,000 rounds of ammo and had a drum magazine (100 rounds) for the AR15. He could have killed everyone in the place.

You put a psychopathic, remorseless ex-Marine in his place... No one walks out alive.

He definitely could have killed ALOT more people.

 

[arora]

When someone said he didn't find instant remorse, I feel like there are a couple of things that would oppose that point of view. First, he told the police his place was booby trapped out the wazoo, when clearly the intent was to kill the police as well. I don't see why he would do this unless the killing was starting to hit his conscience. Also, if he had an AR-15, I have a gut feeling he could have done a lot more damage than he did if some kind of remorse didn't kick in.

But that's probably just me trying to look for a positive in a negative situation.

I said that, it was in response to the silly feud. I think he told the police about the booby trap stuff because he was trying to create a diversion to the crime that did not happen, so it was moot. As for the damage he could have vs what he did, I'm not sure. I did not mean to label him quite as you might think.

I too will try to keep some sort of positive thought about him as well. In fact if you read the rest of my post I think you will see that. Either way, a very tragic event, and of course totally unnecessary.