Shooting inside Colorado movie theater during Batman premier

[CMvan46]

JESSICA GHAVI - 24 yrs.
- aspiring sportscaster.

Who apparently narrowly escaped the shooting in Toronto's Eaton Center Mall a month or 2 ago.

I really hope this is the second time Colorado executes somebody. Normally I'm very against the death penalty. I'd rather know that person has to sit there and think about it day in and day out for the rest of their lives in a tiny little concrete cell. In this case though I feel as though he wouldn't have any remorse whatsoever so what's the point.

 

[CAM]

I just figured out Missy Franklin is from Aurora. That has to mess up her psyche going into the Olympics.. I really feel for her, because of all the hours she put in to be the best but all these people she knew have to be on her mind first. That's just adding on to the crap pile this story is.

 

[dylansan]

Who apparently narrowly escaped the shooting in Toronto's Eaton Center Mall a month or 2 ago.

I really hope this is the second time Colorado executes somebody. Normally I'm very against the death penalty. I'd rather know that person has to sit there and think about it day in and day out for the rest of their lives in a tiny little concrete cell. In this case though I feel as though he wouldn't have any remorse whatsoever so what's the point.

Basing judgements like this on subjective feelings is never a good idea. "Normally I wouldn't give you the death penalty, but meh, why not?"

If you have an objective reason to support the death penalty in certain cases then I'd like to hear it, but just having a feeling that it's not worth keeping them alive is a pretty bad reason.

 

[bergauk]

Basing judgements like this on subjective feelings is never a good idea. "Normally I wouldn't give you the death penalty, but meh, why not?"

If you have an objective reason to support the death penalty in certain cases then I'd like to hear it, but just having a feeling that it's not worth keeping them alive is a pretty bad reason.

Psychopaths that shoot up movie theaters, and premeditate their crime deserve to die, especially when they had planned to blow up their apartment also. Keeping a man alive, when you know that they were the one that did it is stupid.

If however, a man was convicted of a crime, with no real evidence of having commit said crime... Then he doesn't deserve to die until some sort of proof of his crime comes about.

People that are seen commiting mass murder, and planned to kill even more people afterward, deserve to die as soon as possible, not rot in a cell.

 

[Swara]

Apparently the psycho had his hair dyed to match the Joker's hair.

 

[hawkeye122]

This warranted a summary execution. What a horrid thing to do.

 

[Famine]

Apparently the psycho had his hair dyed to match the Joker's hair.

By all accounts he painted it red.

That's red.

Red.

 

[a6m5]

Let's devote some attention to the others involved in this tragedy - THE VICTIMS.

Boy, I don't know if it will be worth the effort to research & list them in here. I do think your idea is 100% right on the money, but as you can see, the audience in this thread is all over the place.

I will definitely keep this view in mind from now on though. 👍

 

[CMvan46]

Basing judgements like this on subjective feelings is never a good idea. "Normally I wouldn't give you the death penalty, but meh, why not?"

If you have an objective reason to support the death penalty in certain cases then I'd like to hear it, but just having a feeling that it's not worth keeping them alive is a pretty bad reason.

It's not a subjective feeling. It's the fact that this guy pre planned all of this and even booby trapped his apartment. It's the fact he does all this and shows no remorse that I think the death penalty is appropriate. If a person commits a crime that is potentially punishable by death but shows some sort of remorse I rather that person be put in prison for life and suffer that way instead of giving him the death penalty....


I'm saying I don't normally agree with the death penalty. I rather people have to sit in prison for life and have to think about it every day in a tiny cell for the rest of their lives. But in this case prison doesn't have that benefit. This is a guy who would probably die for the attention he is getting and he doesn't deserve that.

 

[a6m5]

I've ranted about this before, but rights applied to prisoners are joke. When the financially struggling, but law abiding people have less access to medical, education, entertainment, etc., than criminals who are in prison for violating others' rights, it is in need of an adjustment.

I don't believe in death penalty either. In case of repeat offenders of crimes like rape, I think the death penalty is warranted. But even then, they need to do it cheaper. Lethal injection? Too costly. Adequate caliber bullet or two to the head will do the job, and maybe you should be required to dig your own hole.

If I had the say in sentencing, if you are clearly guilty, and if the offense is serious enough, I'd put you in a labor camp. Eternal sleep is too easy. I'd put you to work for rest of your life, paying back to the victims and the society you've violated. No TV, no internet, minimum comfort, minimum free time.

They'd be begging for second chance, and IMO, that's how prison should be. No more room in your local prison? That's because they are doing it wrong.

 

[a6m5]

I agree, so help me out here. This has been reported as the single largest mass shooting in the States history, but let's put aside the shooter (maybe for life) and focus on the many.

Let's devote some attention to the others involved in this tragedy - THE VICTIMS.

The more we hear about these good people, the more we share in the grief that they are gone, the more attention we give their names, the greater chance they will be enshrined in the memory of whatever humanity we carry into the future.

We don't have a lot to go on right now - but maybe fellow members can do some research - the media is very sparing when it comes to news of the victims (though some news networks (maybe local ones) are carrying more news of these young, innocent folk who were merely out to enjoy an evening's entertainment only to have all their dreams ended randomly by an anomalous human.)

JESSICA GHAVI - 24 yrs.
- aspiring sportscaster.

MICAYLA MEDEC - 23 yrs.
- free spirit.

ALEX SULLIVAN -27 yrs
- celebrating 1st wedding anni/b'day (?)

JOHN LARIMER - 27 yrs
- navy, first post.

MATT MCQUINN -

I just happen to run into this story: Aurora shooting victims: Heroism and heartbreak as last moments revealed

Some background on the people shot, plus details on the circumstances they suffered in the theater. Very heartbreaking stuff.

Edit: Wow, their comments section is a ****ing circus. Same ******** heard in here before blaming the NRA, Republicans, and concern that we need more gun control. Are people just this stupid these days, or do they just lack class?

Edit2:

Red.

Pic

 

[CodeRedR51]

People that are seen commiting mass murder, and planned to kill even more people afterward, deserve to die as soon as possible, not rot in a cell.

^^^ That, 100%.

 

[dylansan]

What people deserve will always be a subjective judgement.

 

[arora]

I would rather see a quick death sentence then life in a cage, he probably want's that anyway. It is very hard to say what he 'deserves' to me, but I am not down with torture(which is what the penal system is) so as much as it pains me, death it is.

 

[CodeRedR51]

What people deserve will always be a subjective judgement.

A man walks in to a theater with full intention of killing hundreds of people.

He deserves it.

 

[theotherspongey]

I would rather him be in a jail cell for the rest of his life, so he can suffer the amount of pain the victims friends and relatives had to go through.

I honestly don't believe in the death sentence, unless the person is relatable to Jason from the Friday the 13th movies.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Eye for an eye, IMO.

 

[TP1]

I would rather him be in a jail cell for the rest of his life, so he can suffer the amount of pain the victims friends and relatives had to go through.

at "suffer"ing in an US jail.
Felons are fed, given fresh clothes, clean rooms and encouraged to exercise, study and develop their craftsmenship.

 

[arora]

You like that? As part of the society that is supposed to be the government, I do not. Two wrongs will never make a right, why be vindictive? I can understand anger and pain and all that, and I can also see giving the families justice, death is not enough?

EDIT: no, no jail in the u.s. is a cush ride, not even close.

 

[dylansan]

A man walks in to a theater with full intention of killing hundreds of people.

He deserves it.

Deserves what? Death, or to rot in prison for life?

I will say that in a case like this where the evidence is overwhelming, the death penalty is acceptable. However the decision whether the death penalty or a life sentence should apply should not be arbitrary.

Eye for an eye, IMO.

Look up the Gandhi quote on this for my opinion.

 

[Zenith]

Cases like this bring an interesting question to the table when discussing Death Penalty vs. Life in Prison.

When a person is unquestionably evil (or at least to the point where we could not risk letting them out into public) do we punish them for their wrongdoing or do we dispose of them in a way that would be the least burdening on society?

 

[bergauk]

I would rather him be in a jail cell for the rest of his life, so he can suffer the amount of pain the victims friends and relatives had to go through.

I honestly don't believe in the death sentence, unless the person is relatable to Jason from the Friday the 13th movies.

So if he has to suffer.. Lets get CSI, have them map out where every single shot he fired that killed and injured someone went, and then shoot him in the same exact spots, killing him in the process.

 

[arora]

Life in prison is lame. We can hope for the day to come when we could rehabilitate and release, but that is about as likely as the day coming when we educate and nurture to the point there is no criminal element.

I say if there is no chance of parole, death in better.

 

[Patrick]

Even if he gets death he'll sit in jail for like 10 years going through appeals and what not.

 

[dylansan]

When a person is unquestionably evil (or at least to the point where we could not risk letting them out into public) do we punish them for their wrongdoing or do we dispose of them in a way that would be the least burdening on society?

I've always been of the opinion that punishment is unnecessary. Especially for life sentences where even if the person learns anything, it won't make a difference.

It's entirely possible this person was never adequately taught to respect the rights of others. Who's fault is that? Yes, this person absolutely needs to be prevented from committing any more crime, but punishment for the sake of punishment does nothing but make people feel better that there's been some retribution for the crime.

I just ask people to consider that the the tragedy here does not only apply to the victims but also to the person who threw away his life because he didn't understand something that he should have been taught.

Punishing the criminal will not make this any less of a tragedy.

 

[TP1]

EDIT: no, no jail in the u.s. is a cush ride, not even close.

Prison should destroy a villain and rebuild a hard working citizen.

You're ten times more likely to get harmed walking down the street, than in a US prison. Hollywood has romantisied prison life, whereas in real life the smallest altercation is going to be very quickly stopped by scared shiRtless guards who are in fear of gripping a felon too hard, for fear of getting sued by the felons families.

US prisons are a joke, and people from poor nations could probably only dream of going to an 'all expenses paid' resort, where you get to watch TV in your heated cell and enjoy your warm-cooked meals, three times a day.

Dying of boredom whilst incarcerated in the States, now that's a real danger.

Punishing the criminal will not make this any less of a tragedy.

But it will (hopefully) detour others from commiting the same crime. So more tragedy doesn't occur.

 

[arora]

Yes, rehab would be great, but in this case, there is no way the guy will ever be released. I guess some would rather live out there life behind bars but if you think I base my opinion on a movie or some such crap you are mistaken. Have you ever been in jail? Could you fathom your entire life in one? I reckon not on both counts. It is cruel and unusual imo.

 

[TP1]

Yes, rehab would be great, but in this case, there is no way the guy will ever be released. I guess some would rather live out their life behind bars but if you think I base my opinion on a move or some such crap you are mistaken. Have you ever been in jail? Could you fathom your entire life in one? I reckon not on both counts. It is cruel and unusual imo.

I'm saying that in comparison to any jail from any third world country, US prisons are equivalent to winning the lottery.

 

[arora]

Maybe so, in that case there is even more shame to share.

 

[themartlab]

I'm saying that in comparison to any jail from any third world country, US prisons are equivalent to winning the lottery.

With some backdoor love from his fellow felons.