Shooting inside Colorado movie theater during Batman premier

^Exactly. Shutting down the movie would be by far THE worst decision after an event like this. It would send a worldwide message that if you kill someone during a movie, that specific movie will get shut down. If anything it would promote more killing in movie theaters. Terrible idea. They should not have even mentioned anything at all about shutting the movie down.

What they should do is not allow people to enter the exit of a movie theater. It should be exit only. I am pretty sure I read that he entered one of the rooms through the exit door during a shooting scene.

EDIT. Ok not sure where exactly he entered. Seems to be mixed info. Regardless, exit doors should be exit only and should set off an alarm if propped open. Most do unless an inspector does not inspect the exit doors.

Witnesses said the gunman entered the theater through an emergency exit door. But a federal law enforcement official told The Associated Press that the suspect bought a ticket and went into the theater as part of the crowd. He is believed to have propped open an exit door as the movie was playing, the official said.
 
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Adamgp
I'm well aware of what terrorism is, thanks.

Since we don't know what he wanted, how would boycotting movie theaters help?
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The same way crashing commercial planes into skyscrapers will make people stop flying.
 
I want to know how the 🤬 would a guy with 3 guns get in without a bit of security or being stopped? Of all film premiers would their not be security at all?
 
I never see security at the movies when I go.

And if there was, it's usually some over weight guy with a stick on his belt.
 
CAM
How many does a normal theater hold? We have a Regal Grande here in town and I saw Harry Potter on the first day, I would shocked if there were more than 110-120 in the stadium theater, and I'm pretty sure the Regals are the biggest chain.
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I just got back from watching this in the local IMAX. My local IMAX holds 601 people. The two grand auditoriums probably hold 500 each. I would guess the smaller theatres probably hold about 300 each.
 
Yeah, NBC just said that there were 200 inside and the 71 injuries were gunshot wounds, not smoke/being trampled as was mentioned earlier. Which is not good.
 
The shooter's mugshot has been released:

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The bastard looks quite pleased with himself.
 
I didn't know that was his mugshot. Plus, I'd assume his hair would still be painted red if it were. But I'm probably wrong.
 
CAM
Yeah, NBC just said that there were 200 inside and the 71 injuries were gunshot wounds, not smoke/being trampled as was mentioned earlier. Which is not good.
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So AR-15, then. This is freaking nuts.
 
Although they deny the term "caused", ABC news is saying the killer was "inspired" by the Joker character in a Batman movie, and the Columbine massacre (only 13 miles form the Batman theater!) was "inspired" by the The Matrix movie. They intimate that something very deep, dark and anti-social in the American psyche is turned on by these sorts of entertainments. Duh.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

Edit: The shooter was a medical graduate school student, no criminal record.
 
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CAM
I didn't know that was his mugshot. Plus, I'd assume his hair would still be painted red if it were. But I'm probably wrong.
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That's the mugshot media outlets are running with. And it's not from a prior conviction, because this was Holmes' first offence.

Dotini
Although they deny the term "caused", ABC news is saying the killer was "inspired" by the Joker character in a Batman movie
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Holmes apparently identified himself to police as the Joker. It will be very hard to pin down exactly what he meant by this without first determining a motive.
 
Yeah, NBC said his only other run in with the law was a speeding ticket. And I was always told that the Columbine kids were inspired by Doom? We had to learn about it for an entire week at school, pretty depressing week.
 
CAM
Yeah, NBC said his only other run in with the law was a speeding ticket. And I was always told that the Columbine kids were inspired by Doom? We had to learn about it for an entire week at school, pretty depressing week.
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What was the motive of the Columbine shooters determined to be?

prisonermonkeys
determining a motive.
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What was the Columbine motive?
 
prisonermonkeys
The shooter's mugshot has been released:

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The bastard looks quite pleased with himself.
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That's not his mugshot. That's his college photo.
Holmes apparently identified himself to police as the Joker. It will be very hard to pin down exactly what he meant by this without first determining a motive.
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Everyone knows exactly what he meant by it; he was playing the role of The Joker, Batman's arch-nemesis whilst attacking the premier of a sold out Batman movie.

He planned this out very well right down to the persona he would play.
 
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Well the Columbine kids were bullied, and they hunted down at least one of the kids that bullied them and killed him in a bathroom after the school entrance/cafeteria incident. So that'd be the primary motive, but the video games and metal music spurred them on. I really wish I didn't know all that..
 
prisonermonkeys
The shooter's mugshot has been released:

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Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates just announced that he has not released a picture yet.

He also informed the Press that this guy had over 6000 rounds of ammo. They also found chemicals as well as mortar rounds at his apartment. Most of this was purchased within the last 60 days. He entered the theatre in the regular fashion, then exited through an emergency exit, left it propped open, went to his car, suited up and armed himself, came back through the exit door at a point in the movie that was loud and with action, tossed a tear-gas canister into the crowd (some thought it was a gimmick connected with the movie) and then wordlessly started to fire into the crowd, and at the exits which people were using to exit. He then walked out front and into the police.
The AR-15 he had was equipped with a drum magazine, capable in semi-auto of 50 rounds per minute.
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prisonermonkeys
Eyewitness reports claim he was dressed as Bane, the villain in the film. Others suggest he was dressed as the Joker.

There are also reports that the shooting coincided with a gunfight in the film, though some contradict this claiming that they were timed to coincide with Batman's first appearance on-screen.
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ABC report said he told the police he was the Joker and apparently his place is so severely booby trapped with explosives they evacuated the building and brought in bomb squad.

MustangRyan
Absolutely correct. If guns become 100% illegal, the only people that would have them are the ones that obtain them illegally. People are already doing that, even though there are legal ways to get them in place now.

Guess which type of gun-owner commits most of these types of crimes:

1. The legally-registered gun owner with a registered conceal/carry permit.
2. The guy that steals guns or buys them illegally out of some guy's trunk.

If you do away with person number 1, no one is going to be able to stop person number 2 except the police. The mere absence of person number 1 from society is going to encourage more people to become person number 2. You think that's better!?
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Well Canada and Australia both with less murders, gun related offenses and lower crime rate than the US have anti gun laws and I feel much more safe this way actually.
 
Dotini
What was the motive of the Columbine shooters determined to be?



What was the Columbine motive?
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You're really good at repeating yourself, know that?

The motive isn't clear to this day, but believed to be a mix of bullying and some possibly psychopathy. Video games are tied in as well, but the argument that video games were the motive is a bit much I feel.

But I'm sure you already knew this anyhow.

CMvan46
Well Canada and Australia both with less murders, gun related offenses and lower crime rate than the US have anti gun laws and I feel much more safe this way actually.
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And those laws will never, ever work in the US because we have so many already. Australia works fairly well because it doesn't have the same history the US does with guns, nor does Canada.

And I'm sure I could get Famine in here with information on how violent crime hates haven't decreased in the UK since guns were effectively banned.

Locks keep honest people out.
 
I don't imagine they would work in the states but guns aren't these great equalizers everybody is talking about. This is a sick minded individual who was hell bent on causing harm to people by whatever means necessary and if guns didn't work I'm sure people like this will just keep going up the ladder of firepower.

I still can't believe 71 people hit with bullets. That is absolutely surreal and thank god he was caught. He better not plead insanity here. This was completely planned and pre meditated and he knew what he was doing. Best part about laws in the states is they are tough. Canada is pathetic with them. Does Colorado have the death penalty?
 
CMvan46
I don't imagine they would work in the states but guns aren't these great equalizers everybody is talking about. This is a sick minded individual who was hell bent on causing harm to people by whatever means necessary and if guns didn't work I'm sure people like this will just keep going up the ladder of firepower.
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Pretty much. If guns were banned he could have just made explosives, etc. "Where there is a will there is a way" works for everything, sadly enough.

CMvan46
I still can't believe 71 people hit with bullets. That is absolutely surreal and thank god he was caught. He better not plead insanity here. This was completely planned and pre meditated and he knew what he was doing. Best part about laws in the states is they are tough. Canada is pathetic with them. Does Colorado have the death penalty?
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Colorado does have the death penalty. However, they've only executed one person since '76 it looks like, with 4 more on death row. Compared to Texas at nearly 500, kind of a bit different.
 
CMvan46
I don't imagine they would work in the states but guns aren't these great equalizers everybody is talking about. This is a sick minded individual who was hell bent on causing harm to people by whatever means necessary and if guns didn't work I'm sure people like this will just keep going up the ladder of firepower.

I still can't believe 71 people hit with bullets. That is absolutely surreal and thank god he was caught. He better not plead insanity here. This was completely planned and pre meditated and he knew what he was doing. Best part about laws in the states is they are tough. Canada is pathetic with them. Does Colorado have the death penalty?
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It does, but only 1 person has actually been put to death since 1977. Since then, I believe there a few people awaiting it.

This guy's crime was much more severe than theirs though, so I'd be amazed if Colorado didn't push through with a 2nd execution in 35 years.
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Yeah, we were told they weren't exactly straight in the head, but nothing about the superiority complex.
 

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