Should PD start a poll on cars featured in future games ?

[Tornado]

You could also say that the original poster and others asking for a "car request" feature on their site is a completely organic request for more fan input on the car list. Much like the X1 fan input

The Xbone news had an immediate and direct form of comparison (Gran Turismo does too, but not to the same extent), was very blatantly poorer than the form of comparison (whereas Gran Turismo's is much more subjective even though there are obvious problems), and everything Microsoft said about the matter made it look worse to the point of actively insulting the people who had an issue with it (whereas PD does a much better job of assuaging concerns, for better or worse).


There was some astroturfing from people who just wanted a new stick to beat Microsoft with, obviously; but the difference is that the average (internet savvy, casual fan) guy saw what Microsoft was doing and saw how it was (almost unanimously) being reported across the internet (and the vicious counter news that Sony was intentionally targeting at it), and the average (internet savvy, casual fan) guy sees what PD is doing and the majority of the reporting is looking at the numbers (1200 cars, 70 or whatever tracks, etc.) or something like that and they don't see a problem with that (nor do a sizeable portion of the people who are more informed and invested, because they overlook it or aren't bothered).

 

[SlipZtrEm]

No serious organization would put their $5Billion franchises future in the hands of whimsical fans who have a completely different agenda and only their very own personal interest at heart. Anything along the lines of "what cars would you like to see in the GT series?" is already covered by fansites such as this.

Well, there's this.

I think it's a fantastic idea, but I doubt PD would move to that level of interaction with their fanbase. And at this point, depending on how long they plan on supporting GT6 with "monthly DLC", I wonder if it could even be implemented fully, or if it'd have to be saved for the next installment.

You've gotta admit, it's a great bragging/bullet point for any game to include something of that sort 👍

 

[CarBastard]

Well, there's this.

I think it's a fantastic idea, but I doubt PD would move to that level of interaction with their fanbase. And at this point, depending on how long they plan on supporting GT6 with "monthly DLC", I wonder if it could even be implemented fully, or if it'd have to be saved for the next installment.

You've gotta admit, it's a great bragging/bullet point for any game to include something of that sort 👍

How could I forget about the Forzalopnik tie-in?!? 👍

Seriously, if they managed all the entries when they asked us how to name a song (which by the way ended up having the least original name possible), they can manage all the entries if they asked us what cars to include. It doesn't have to be all the cars in-game of course, but 20 or so community picked cars would do wonders for the GT car list. There are some glaring omissions that are almost inexcusable in this present day, omissions that would make the game more of a dream come true if only they listened to the fans.

 

[SagarisGTB]

No.

The general public would be terrible at picking cars anyway.

 

[finnracer]

No.

The general public would be terrible at picking cars anyway.

Very good point. While the idea would work well on here and get a good variety of cars (see the feedback section as an example) if it was left down to the general public we would end up with a NFS like carlist of dull repetitive supercars and hyper cars (I don't mind them as part of a more varied list).

 

[SagarisGTB]

Even here it would be iffy at best. If GTPlanet was picking the cars, the Alfa TZ2 wouldn't have been in GT5, for example.

 

[Griffith500]

Ah, good old vox populi. It's useful as a barometer, but you really shouldn't do what the masses "think".

You should do what is right, and, in this case, that would be to continue to give us stuff we didn't even know we wanted.

All subjective, obviously. I don't know why I'm pointing that out, as it should be implicitly understood on a forum.
Oddly, I wouldn't trust myself to make a car list for anything, not even for myself.

 

[Quakebass]

If it was well executed, maybe. Let's say PD has a list of cars that they'd LIKE to model, but won't have the the development time to do ALL of them. They could do some sort of poll to see which ones hold the most interest to the public, and in turn increase game popularity, since the game is being tailor-made for the "average" user, in a sense.

Or maybe even allow a little bit of what goes on in the feedback section, where people are given a few votes, and can upload a car suggestion. PD can then remove anything not available to them, like Porsche. This is a bit wishful, though.

 

[another_jakhole]

Ah, good old vox populi. It's useful as a barometer, but you really shouldn't do what the masses "think".

You should do what is right, and, in this case, that would be to continue to give us stuff we didn't even know we wanted.

All subjective, obviously. I don't know why I'm pointing that out, as it should be implicitly understood on a forum.
Oddly, I wouldn't trust myself to make a car list for anything, not even for myself.

Go with your gut feeling. Believe in yourself, man. You won't believe where it will take you . hahaha ahhhhhh 🤬.

 

[grashopper]

Ah, good old vox populi. It's useful as a barometer, but you really shouldn't do what the masses "think".

You should do what is right, and, in this case, that would be to continue to give us stuff we didn't even know we wanted.

All subjective, obviously. I don't know why I'm pointing that out, as it should be implicitly understood on a forum.
Oddly, I wouldn't trust myself to make a car list for anything, not even for myself.

It's not that the fans would choose every car. I think even 10% would be high. It would be to pick a few stand out cars the series is missing fans are interested in.

 

[another_jakhole]

They should just do like Rock Band did and have a suggest a car link on the site. After you start typing it filled in the rest from what other users voted or you filled it all in yourself if nobody had.
I'm sure that would give them a pretty good idea what users would want in upcoming GT games or DLC.

I quote the second time, yet bold the reason why what everybody keeps using as an excuse IS "wrong" or misguided.

 

[Griffith500]

It's not that the fans would choose every car. I think even 10% would be high. It would be to pick a few stand out cars the series is missing fans are interested in.

It's likely they're already doing that. The only reason to put an online poll up is to give the impression of involving the community, for the sake of goodwill. It might not hurt for PD to say "we're including this car because we've seen it demanded" from time to time, whether it's true or not.

I don't see that it matters if they do announce it, or even if it is true, if the cars make it in. Any car that is included will always generate a backlash of people claiming they should have put some other car in instead.

 

[I'm Motarded]

I don't see that it matters if they do announce it, or even if it is true, if the cars make it in. Any car that is included will always generate a backlash of people claiming they should have put some other car in instead.

Yep.

PD: This was the top voted car, and we'll be bringing this in the 1st DLC pack.

1st comment: That car sucks we wanted the second voted car more.

This is rigged, I didn't vote for that

They don't really have much to gain, except the loss of goodwill when 5 of the 10 top voted cars can't be put in the game for some reason or other.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Well, there's this.

I think it's a fantastic idea, but I doubt PD would move to that level of interaction with their fanbase. And at this point, depending on how long they plan on supporting GT6 with "monthly DLC", I wonder if it could even be implemented fully, or if it'd have to be saved for the next installment.

You've gotta admit, it's a great bragging/bullet point for any game to include something of that sort 👍

There's a big difference between starting with a limited list of cars that the producer already knows they can get their hands on, and a wide open, "vote for any car that ever existed" type of deal the OP is proposing. Not even close to the same thing really. Going with something close ended like the Forza contest would make a lot of sense but as you said, PD doesn't have that level of interaction in their fanbase. I can't see Kaz giving up that much control either...

 

[SlipZtrEm]

How could I forget about the Forzalopnik tie-in?!? 👍

Seriously, if they managed all the entries when they asked us how to name a song (which by the way ended up having the least original name possible), they can manage all the entries if they asked us what cars to include. It doesn't have to be all the cars in-game of course, but 20 or so community picked cars would do wonders for the GT car list. There are some glaring omissions that are almost inexcusable in this present day, omissions that would make the game more of a dream come true if only they listened to the fans.

Exactly. Not to mention that 20 or so could serve as a permanent response to the "PD never listens to us" folks - a list of 20 of some of the most community-demanded cars, added based on the community voicing their preferences? Yep, checkmark.

Thanks for reminding me about that song-naming joke, too!

You should do what is right, and, in this case, that would be to continue to give us stuff we didn't even know we wanted.

I sure didn't know I wanted endless Miata duplicates or made-up Lexii...

For every LCC Rocket, there's something like that. Or the oft-targeted WWII vehicles. Interesting? To some, absolutely. Interesting to more of the community than, say, an E30 M3? I think it's safe to say no. I'm not advocating PD listen exclusively to the community - that would probably end up with a supercar-heavy, same-list-as-other-games roster - but, like a vast many issues with GT(5), I'm looking for some semblance of balance.

Oddly, I wouldn't trust myself to make a car list for anything, not even for myself.

Heh, so is it odd I have one going right now of cars I want to see in the new iterations of the two big racing franchises scheduled for new installments this year? If anything, GT6 has it slightly easier in so far as I know every Premium will be returning. Which is good, because my personal wishlist for GT is a lot longer than the other game's...

I quote the second time, yet bold the reason why what everybody keeps using as an excuse IS "wrong" or misguided.

Go on, explain why. Since you're seemingly an authority on the matter.

There's a big difference between starting with a limited list of cars that the producer already knows they can get their hands on, and a wide open, "vote for any car that ever existed" type of deal the OP is proposing. Not even close to the same thing really. Going with something close ended like the Forza contest would make a lot of sense but as you said, PD doesn't have that level of interaction in their fanbase. I can't see Kaz giving up that much control either...

Oh, there absolutely is; the OP's suggestion is probably way too adventurous. Though as CB pointed out earlier; PD did handle all those song name suggestions. I won't argue that. But even taking a similar approach, it would hardly be a bad idea for PD, and I can tell you why:

He wouldn't be giving up that much control - thanks to hindsight, it's pretty apparent now that a lot of those Jalopnik cars were already targeted to be included in the series at some point, as over half ended up in the next game after the original pack. It certainly seems that all the community did was determine which cars got preference - bumped to the front, I suppose - but that's still input, and still (IMO) an incredibly cool way get your playerbase more interested. Considering what lengths GT fans already go to get info, like the track logos on the GT site, or tracking down Photo Travel locations in the newest trailers, I think this would be a great way to get the slightly less rabid fans in on the brand 👍

 

[CarBastard]

Regarding the impossiblity of PD accesing certain cars that some of you have mentioned:

I don't think there are many cars they can't get access too. They got the freakin' Jaguar XJ13 for god's sake, a car of which a sole unit exists and is valued at more than ten million dollars. But you know, a military-spec WWII amphibious vehicle is more culturally important, interesting and fun to drive than an E-Type Jag...whatever. They have access to museums, they have great relationship with a couple of manufacturers and tuning houses and, being Japanese, they also have acess to some of the worlds best private car collections that are located there, something proven by the fact they got to model the wonderful Ferrari SP1. Also, most of the cars the community is asking for aren't exactly unicorns.

Sure, after the F&F craze it's almost impossible to get your hands on an unmolested Supra MKIV but Toyota has to have one in a garage somewhere. If they got Audi to give them the R10 for modelling, why couldn't they get the R18 as well? Nissan has a humongous storage facility at Zama that has some unbelievably amazing jewels of Nissan's racing history but, alas, no premium R89C to compete with the premium XJR9. And where the hell is the M3 family tree? SMS can get it, Kunos can get it, EA can get it, SimBin can get it...

They can do a lot with the current licenses, budget and contacts they have. They're a gigantic studio with serious economic backing, they're no underdog. It's not a case of "We can't, sorry guys" but rather one of "I'm to stubborn to listen to the community, here, have some hybrids and useless Volkswagens". Kaz has made brilliant content decisions in the past, but nowadays he definitely needs to listen to this guy:

I'm not advocating PD listen exclusively to the community - that would probably end up with a supercar-heavy, same-list-as-other-games roster - but, like a vast many issues with GT(5), I'm looking for some semblance of balance.

 

[Raitziger]

We have made many lists and they do not listen. When they say they listen they just take one individual request and not from community voted top ten lists.

Also they should open requests for specific cars or just like " Got a cool car that is not in Gran Turismo? Send us a info and invite us to film and record it to incorporate it to the game" They could send a free copy of the game to everyone who takes part in this.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Oh, there absolutely is; the OP's suggestion is probably way too adventurous. Though as CB pointed out earlier; PD did handle all those song name suggestions. I won't argue that. But even taking a similar approach, it would hardly be a bad idea for PD, and I can tell you why:

He wouldn't be giving up that much control - thanks to hindsight, it's pretty apparent now that a lot of those Jalopnik cars were already targeted to be included in the series at some point, as over half ended up in the next game after the original pack. It certainly seems that all the community did was determine which cars got preference - bumped to the front, I suppose - but that's still input, and still (IMO) an incredibly cool way get your playerbase more interested. Considering what lengths GT fans already go to get info, like the track logos on the GT site, or tracking down Photo Travel locations in the newest trailers, I think this would be a great way to get the slightly less rabid fans in on the brand 👍

Narrowing it down to a list of X number of cars out of which the public chooses Y number of cars would be epic indeed. I think it would turn the GT fanbase rabid actually and would be a giant marketing coup for PD. I'd do this several months in, perhaps coordinated with the launch of a competitor like PCars or another edition of Forza. It could be truly epic but I just can't see Kaz giving up this kind of control.

 

[Griffith500]

I sure didn't know I wanted endless Miata duplicates or made-up Lexii...

For every LCC Rocket, there's something like that. Or the oft-targeted WWII vehicles. Interesting? To some, absolutely. Interesting to more of the community than, say, an E30 M3? I think it's safe to say no. I'm not advocating PD listen exclusively to the community - that would probably end up with a supercar-heavy, same-list-as-other-games roster - but, like a vast many issues with GT(5), I'm looking for some semblance of balance.

What will happen when the E30 gets included? What will be the posterboy for car fan martyrdom after that?

Yeah, sure, there are issues. Never said there weren't. But the idea of a car list picked even partially by the community is not really my idea of fun, because my tastes generally don't align with more of the community. As I said, I'm sure they're aware of the noise being made about certain "iconic" cars. But it says a lot that practically every "sim" out there at the moment has to have a Lotus 49, or the E30 to be considered "relevant". These are great cars, but shouldn't different games try harder to get less overlap? Isn't there some BS about USP in there somewhere? Oh wait, Porsche...

I don't care, I don't consider my opinion on what cars should be included to be definitive, but too many people do, I guess is the problem.

Heh, so is it odd I have one going right now of cars I want to see in the new iterations of the two big racing franchises scheduled for new installments this year? If anything, GT6 has it slightly easier in so far as I know every Premium will be returning. Which is good, because my personal wishlist for GT is a lot longer than the other game's...

Not odd at all. I was talking about myself. There are simply too many cars, and most of them people just wouldn't give two :censored:s about. I'm already at the mercy of other people's whims, and probably always will be (unless I make my own game someday... Yeah, right) I'd rather it were PD than the aforementioned arbiters of all that is cool (I'm talking about the wider gaming community, here).

 

[Badasp5.0]

I think it's time for Kaz to allow a different criteria selection other than "his vision". I know the guy is 100% "We love cars" material, but his vision isn't perfect and it's beggining to hurt the game. GT may still be ahead of the competition in cover some fields of the automotive world, JDM specially (and even a proper coverage of JDM was overlooked in GT5 premium list!), but is falling behind because they're overlooking others that are far more pressing in terms of popularity. Premium Kubbelwagen but no premium M3 E30? Premium iMIEV but no premium Veyron? For crying out loud...

I agree 100% it is hurting the game look at Forzas car list and how varied with cars that are relevent to racing and than look at GT5. I like odd funny cars as much as the next guy but before that should be done put cars that are acctually raced and make sure the stats are correct for the car and region they are in (IE Japanese/European prices for American cars) I know a ton of people who left GT for Forza due to the car list. The DLCs werent much help as well.

 

[Ills1999]

Again, all PD needs to do in order to find out which cars are favorites is examine the aftermarket to see which cars enjoy the most aftermarket support and sales. Car culture can easily be quantified by the availability of dedicated make and/or model publications as well as longevity and sales of those publications. Methods along these veins will give a more accurate representation of what CAR LOVERS, as opposed to driving based gamers, would like to see, without getting into notoriously unscientific self-polling.

 

[Floor3013]

I think it'd be nice for us to compile a proper community wishlist of 'fan favourites' and perhaps pointers to certain rarities for PD to at least perhaps listen to (we know they read the forums); I remember a while back there was a thread where the OP tracked suggestions and complied them, though obviously that'd take up a lot of time.

I think a better option might be using a Google Docs spreadsheet that everyone has access to, hopefully that we can self-moderate within the community or something.

 

[grashopper]

Again, all PD needs to do in order to find out which cars are favorites is examine the aftermarket to see which cars enjoy the most aftermarket support and sales. Car culture can easily be quantified by the availability of dedicated make and/or model publications as well as longevity and sales of those publications. Methods along these veins will give a more accurate representation of what CAR LOVERS, as opposed to driving based gamers, would like to see, without getting into notoriously unscientific self-polling.

I don't think that would help at all. It would just get us more reasonably priced Japanese cars due to so many young guys thinking they are in the Fast and Furious movies.
Any high end cars, older cars, and rare models would have very little aftermarket support but I think would still be in demand for the game.

 

[Badasp5.0]

I don't think that would help at all. It would just get us more reasonably priced Japanese cars due to so many young guys thinking they are in the Fast and Furious movies.
Any high end cars, older cars, and rare models would have very little aftermarket support but I think would still be in demand for the game.

Not if they are looking at American aftermarket parts. Its a pretty diverse market here, from classics (IE complete new bodies for '55/'57 BelAirs/ '32 Fords ETC) to late models Mustangs, Camaros, Vette and 300C/Chargers ETC. It honesty suprises me year after year PD goes to SEMA and comes up with one random car to add and does NOT take in what cars are popular with american car enthusiasts at all its like they dont care or have blinders on.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think it'd be nice for us to compile a proper community wishlist of 'fan favourites' and perhaps pointers to certain rarities for PD to at least perhaps listen to (we know they read the forums); I remember a while back there was a thread where the OP tracked suggestions and complied them, though obviously that'd take up a lot of time.

I think a better option might be using a Google Docs spreadsheet that everyone has access to, hopefully that we can self-moderate within the community or something.

Go for it:tup:👍

 

[Floor3013]

Something like this? Just something quick, everyone should be able to edit it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Something like this? Just something quick, everyone should be able to edit it.

If it were me designing it, no I wouldn't go in that direction. Leaving things open ended like that makes it endlessly complicated with no real direction. I think you'd be more successful if you compiled a shortened list of cars within a similar category, allowed 1, 2 or 3 votes in each category and let the chips fall where they may. Categories might be Historic Race Cars (50's and earlier), Vintage Race Cars (60's-90's), Vintage Street Cars (per 50's), Modern Supercars, Modern Sports Sedans etc. etc. etc. Solicit input before the poll is released, include as many iconic cars as possible and have at er'.

 

[CarBastard]

I think it'd be nice for us to compile a proper community wishlist of 'fan favourites' and perhaps pointers to certain rarities for PD to at least perhaps listen to (we know they read the forums); I remember a while back there was a thread where the OP tracked suggestions and complied them, though obviously that'd take up a lot of time.

I think a better option might be using a Google Docs spreadsheet that everyone has access to, hopefully that we can self-moderate within the community or something.

Go for it:tup:👍

Something like this? Just something quick, everyone should be able to edit it.

If it were me designing it, no I wouldn't go in that direction. Leaving things open ended like that makes it endlessly complicated with no real direction. I think you'd be more successful if you compiled a shortened list of cars within a similar category, allowed 1, 2 or 3 votes in each category and let the chips fall where they may. Categories might be Historic Race Cars (50's and earlier), Vintage Race Cars (60's-90's), Vintage Street Cars (per 50's), Modern Supercars, Modern Sports Sedans etc. etc. etc. Solicit input before the poll is released, include as many iconic cars as possible and have at er'.

If you guys really are considering doing something in this respect, I suggest we use something similar to the Feedback system Jordan implemented for GT5, except but for cars only. Every account gets 10 points and the user decides how to spend them. 10 for the Veyron? Go. 5 for the Nissan PAO and 5 for the Yugo? Your call. You want to give 9 points asking for a premium 2CV but you sporty side wants a Lancia 037? You got a point left, cool.

I know it'll end up being at least 50% supercars and racing cars, but trust me, if there's a community that knows about weird cars is the GTP one and some magnificently odd cars will shine through.

Also, a point I think should be emphazised is that each car we get should have equal matches in terms of performance so it can be efectively used in the game. For instance, they gave us the gorgeous Alfa TZ2, but they didn't gave us any contemporary rival. They gave us the '06 spec R10 but the '10 spec Pug 908 which completely obliterates it. Whatever shots they call in terms of content should also consider their usability in game, or else we end up with a mess of a car list that just incentivates races between 2 model cars or races where just two cars have a shot of winning.

 

[JohnBM01]

Most of what is mentioned in message boards and online are basically influence enough for PD to include certain cars. Even I kind of made the case for Bentley to be in GT4 here on GTPlanet when I mentioned Bentley's Le Mans success. I hate the notion that people think PD doesn't listen to its fans. If they didn't care about our own input, we probably would have never gotten Ferrari or damage or any other cars most people care about. So the thought of PD starting a poll of what cars people actually want to see in a GT seems pointless to me. I think it would just even more depress certain people who are soiling their diapers because a certain car is not in the game.

When GT4 was released, I was sad the Scion lineup didn't include the Scion tC. I was even disappointed not to see (and many others probably were too) the Marcos LM600 GT race car among the Marcos lot in GT4. I do have my own ideas of what cars I'd like to see in a GT game. However, I'm not trolling on the Internet to see certain cars be featured. Some cars are included as pleasant surprises. Think of all the cars people don't even know about that get featured. Also consider that other people have other cars they would like to see. A selection of cars is basically a case of what you want vs. what others would want, and then have both meet halfway.

At least to me, it would be pointless to have a poll for what cars you'd want. Just include as many vehicles that people would want and too bad if certain cars don't make the cut.

 

[Floor3013]

Most of what is mentioned in message boards and online are basically influence enough for PD to include certain cars. Even I kind of made the case for Bentley to be in GT4 here on GTPlanet when I mentioned Bentley's Le Mans success. I hate the notion that people think PD doesn't listen to its fans. If they didn't care about our own input, we probably would have never gotten Ferrari or damage or any other cars most people care about. So the thought of PD starting a poll of what cars people actually want to see in a GT seems pointless to me. I think it would just even more depress certain people who are soiling their diapers because a certain car is not in the game.

When GT4 was released, I was sad the Scion lineup didn't include the Scion tC. I was even disappointed not to see (and many others probably were too) the Marcos LM600 GT race car among the Marcos lot in GT4. I do have my own ideas of what cars I'd like to see in a GT game. However, I'm not trolling on the Internet to see certain cars be featured. Some cars are included as pleasant surprises. Think of all the cars people don't even know about that get featured. Also consider that other people have other cars they would like to see. A selection of cars is basically a case of what you want vs. what others would want, and then have both meet halfway.

At least to me, it would be pointless to have a poll for what cars you'd want. Just include as many vehicles that people would want and too bad if certain cars don't make the cut.

I completely agree with that, it shouldn't be a list of demands by any sense, I just think it'd be nicer/perhaps more efficient for PD and even ourselves to browse a compiled wishlist (even just a massive collection of cool cars that the GTP community like) rather than on a huge thread. The poll/votes should be more to stop duplicates, rather than to indicate what should be put in, though if they wanted to select 'fan favourites' it'd make it a lot easier.