Should the power increase code be published?

[sucahyo]

If someone have ARMAX code that make it possible to create a 2000hp monster or just a slight power increase, do you think it will help this community in a positif way if he publish it?

In other word, can this new way of having fun be introduced without making damage to the already established online racing or competition?

 

[Sphinx]

If someone have ARMAX code that make it possible to create a 2000hp monster or just a slight power increase, do you think it will help this community in a positif way if he publish it?

In other word, can a new way of having fun be introduced without making damage to the already established online racing or competition?

Welcome to the dilemma that has haunted me in the past. It’s a difficult call to make and only you can decide either way. I’ve personally decided not to publish certain things concerning GT4, and although the temptation to do so is still very tempting, I know for sure that if I were to do so it would make OLR verification very difficult.

I have been following the discussion in the hybrid section and my main concern about all this is the damage it could do to the OLR community, not just an HP increase, but also other hybrided parts that will be impossible to detect under normal replay verification. However, if the increase in HP can be detected at the start of the replay then I see no problem with that for OLR, it’s the other hybrided parts that can’t be detected is what concerns me.

Pandora’s box.

 

[daan]

However, if the increase in HP can be detected at the start of the replay then I see no problem with that for OLR, it’s the other hybrided parts that can’t be detected is what concerns me.

That's the important part. If the HP is detected by the replay, then its OK.

Sucahyo,with regard to the other parts, could you find out if any hybridded parts are in use by looking through the code of the replay?

Am I also right in thinking that you're the only person that knows how to do this?

 

[Metar]

I agree with the above two points. The 950HP Miata and 500HP GSX-R/4 are easilly detectable - more power, and the odd wheels on the Miata. Also, that code seems to increase weight by the same ratio. The Miata's power was tripled or quadrupled, but so was the weight. Same goes for the GSX-R/4... So I suppose the code can easilly be published. But unless we also get a way to easily check hybridized parts (Like GT3's MK's Editor program), it might not yet be safe to publish codes for other parts, as well.

 

[AngelCreator]

I think this is true, and all though I love the idea of making hybrids on GT4.
I also think it will be hard on the WRS and other race's because unless we
can easily find out if the car is a hybrid we won't be able to tell if it's just
a little increase of power. With that said it is a tough call to make.

 

[sucahyo]

I see.

Although I am sure that replay contain everything we need to verify, opening the replay it self can be hard, I still fail to even play it.

We can all verify replay easily if GT4 save encryption can be decoded. But publishing an application that can decode replay or gamesave can also create this same problem.

In addition to power increase, we can do weight decrease too.

The scary thing is, creating hybrid in GT4 is not so hard if you have all the key (tool already available). Anyone with "script kiddy" level of cracking can do it, although finding the key might require some effort and guessing.

 

[Kent]

Honestly, I don't think it would make a difference.

In OLR everyone takes it serious and those who don't are the ones who would be clueless enough to try.

Basically, it works like this...
If you win a race- you will be scrutinized.

If your car is high on power or low on weight to any level that will actually provide an advantage, watching the replay in comparison to a similar time as well as the fastest time will reveal your trickery (and inturn you will be banned from racing on the GTP not to mention possibly banned all together).

Furthermore, if your time ends up being the fastest time on the block you better have the name to back it up. It's not like the serious OLR community doesn't already have an idea of where various racers will place in races. We might not know the exact placing but you would be a fool to think the top dogs would be beat and not have the winning racers raise a few eyebrows.

If you try to cheat in OLR you will eventually be caught. It can be detected when a car isn't running proper spec... I had to deal with that problem in the Nurburgring N2 race thread.

Usually sector times are enough to reveal the cheaters and I've seen it done on several occassions.

Bottom line:
If you cheat you will eventually be caught.
If you are caught cheating you risk your membership with the GTP as well as many other forums (oh that's right, the big GT boards are all connected very well when it comes to labeling cheaters).

So, if cheating to win is worth your reputation and online friends then go ahead and gamble it all.

Otherwise, if you aren't interested in hybrids for racing but rather just for the sake of having some fun... Get to it.

Regardless of all of the above, this is quickly becoming a thread where the "hybrids" forum would be most fitting.

 

[sucahyo]

I see, we can check cheater like that too.

I know this is about hybrid, but I create this thread here hoping to receive comment from all kind of people.

 

[-Cheezman-]

Post it. It will be pretty obvious when some one has a Miata doing 300+.........

Also, now that you said it can be done, some one else will simply follow your foot steps, and release it anyways.