SONY taking the p with uk dlc price!!

[TankAss95]

Seriously... anyone who think £9.49 is too much for the pack is a complete and utter Jeremy-Kyle-case.

+1

 

[spunwicked]

It's cheaper than I was expecting... I imagined a much more comprehensive DLC pack costing around £40.

 

[GTP_unkymo]

12 euro would get me 3 pints of Guinness in my local. I think its a bargain to be honest.

I'd have happily paid 12 euro just for Spa on its own!

 

[Christoforo]

The price isn't what you should complain about. You should be complaining that you are buying something already on your ps3 right now.

 

[NEO_saffy_7]

It's cheaper than I was expecting... I imagined a much more comprehensive DLC pack costing around £40.

£40=

I guess £9.49 is good enough 👍

 

[Samus]

Suckered in? Explain how PD suckered anyone in by saying ''here's some DLC, buy it if you want, don't buy it if you don't want to". There's no ''suckering in'' in this DLC pack.

You don't "understand" the term ''not expensive''? What's there to understand? IT'S ONLY $10! Understand now? It is NOT expensive unless you are so poor that you can't afford to eat in which case you shouldn't be playing GT5 or buying video game DLC anyway.

AND WTF does Jesus have to do with it?



That is the price, you pay the price.. bla bla bla. What's your point? All that has nothing to do with this DLC pack. People buy things, things cost money. People buy thing worth money. Thanks for this valuable information.



NO! I have no principles! Huh?! Again, what the hell are you talking about? No one said the content is irrelevant. Now you're just making things up.

I'm so out of control ''throwing'' 10 WHOLE DOLLARS at PD.

Yes I am an unprincipled money thrower.


If I thought it was overpriced I wouldn't buy it, but thanks for telling me how to spend my own money, what would I do without you? This DLC isn't overpriced anyway. It's only overpriced in your own head. $10 is nothing. If people get even an hour of entertainment for $10, then that may be the best $10 they ever spent.

Stop trying to dictate to people what is overpriced and what is not, that's up to them, not you. If YOU think it's overpriced, then YOU have the choice not to buy it. Leave the people alone who want to buy it.. because it's none of your damn business anyway.

I love the irony strew across your reply. You tell me not to dictate to you about the value of this DLC whilst constantly telling me it's not overpriced and that $10 is nothing. Good work.

Is $10 a lot of money overall? No, it's not. Does that mean I will spend $10 on anything, JUST because it's not much money which is what you are suggesting? No, I won't. I won't spend $10 on a bottle of water or a paperclip just because it's "only" $10, so I won't spend $10 on some car DLC if I don't think it's worth it. Therefore I'm entitled to believe they're too expensive.

That was my whole beef with the replies in this thread. The OP and others expressed concern they felt the DLC was overpriced (an opinion they are entitled to) then you and the rest of the PD defence brigade steam in telling us we're wrong, the DLC isn't overpriced and $10 isn't much money, we're poor if we can't afford it etc etc.

 

[vandaliser]

Trust simonk to have the phrase 'PD defense force' or GT loyalists/defenders in every single one of his posts.

Anyways to the OP if you cant afford 10 quid then walk away. Like anything in this world there is a price to be paid which is set by the seller. No one is forcing you to buy it.

 

[GTShadowKing]

The price isn't what you should complain about. You should be complaining that you are buying something already on your ps3 right now.

What's the difference being in or not? I think it's better, at least I will not have to go to my friend's house again just to download DLC

 

[Christoforo]

What's the difference being in or not? I think it's better, at least I will not have to go to my friend's house again just to download DLC

Because its like a slap in the face to people who dont buy the dlc or only buy part, and the rest is sitting there already on their ps3.

 

[GTShadowKing]

Because its like a slap in the face to people who dont buy the dlc or only buy part, and the rest is sitting there already on their ps3.

I understand, but see the point of the complaint...it's just the same...if it was since release date was another thing...

 

[Daniel]

Not to mention that I doubt very few people that bought GT5 on or around launch still play it. My guess is that a large portion of those sales were casual racers who moved onto Shift 2/FM4/Whatever other racing game when they were released.

*sticks hand up*
Me!!

 

[blackjack]

Think of the Signature Edition owners. We forked out the most initially. If anyone deserves the DLC for free...

 

[Jubby]

Think of the Signature Edition owners. We forked out the most initially. If anyone deserves the DLC for free...

I bought the release date Collector's edition (no signature edition in US). It was nearly twice the price, but I don't feel entitled to free DLC. I got the extra book, etc, etc. Plus, I bought something I love.

As for the VAT issue, I'd pay the sales tax here, if they had us pay it. But why would I choose to pay extra? It seems that your government (UK) is better off economically than ours, maybe this is partially the reason.

 

[UnionStrike]

Think of the Signature Edition owners. We forked out the most initially. If anyone deserves the DLC for free...

As if all the nice things the Signature Edition box already gave you wasn't enough to justify the higher prices...

 

[CSLACR]

I think it's very expensive for what it is.
But I'm not foolish enough to find paying 5X disc value for DLC is "reasonable".

At the price of this DLC, GT5 would contain this list for $60.
500 paints.
500 suits.
75 cars.
5 regular tracks with weather.
5 karting tracks, with 10 total variations, and "reverse" of each variation to inflate the numbers to a fake "20".

In no stretch of imagination is that "reasonable" by my standards.

Now, I would expect DLC to cost more per item, as it always does, but over 5X what it costs on a disc game?
The main issue with the DLC pricing is that you are forced to purchase 4 extra tracks to get the one they know everyone really wants.

Obviously it's a "slick" marketing move, as most everyone that can I believe will buy it all anyway, but that only works so many times.

I think many players would rather be able to buy just Spa and the car pack for $8. But no, they went and made the track pack and car pack total more then the bundle pack, to make sure everyone that wants Spa and any cars gives them $12.

I think all the fans that constantly post about how "Microsoft is money hungry, etc" should be eating a slice of humble pie right now. Turns out PD's pretty money hungry themselves.(gasp)

 

[niky]

There's a reason DLC is called "add-on", because that's all that it is.

You sell a game package for much less overall because you have higher sales for the basic game, which increases profit. This is the same reason you will pay only $14-$16,000 for, say, a Honda Fit which costs some $10,000 to produce yet will pay another $1,000 for an optional nav-system which would cost you $300 outside. Options cost extra. They always cost extra. An often at a wildly different rate compared to the base item. I mean, who really believes that a special paint job for your Porsche should cost as much as a new compact?

By the logic that DLC should cost whatever fraction of the price of the basic game it represents, DLC for "free-to-play" games should not just be free, they should pay you to get it... if you've actually played "free-to-play" games, then you know that ain't so.

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And we're getting sidetracked from the point. Was GT5 finished when it was released? No. Did PD force us to pay for the "completion" of GT5? Did we pay for graphics upgrades, standard interior upgrades, avatars, helmets and suits, online content, seasonals, GT Academy promotionals, physics tweaks or online dealerships? No.

We're being asked to pay for additional cars (which nobody really needs and which I, with the exception of the Prius touring car, don't want), extra paints (which some people may want) and tracks (which most of us do want). You're not forced to purchase them all together or at all to enjoy GT5. They can charge whatever they want for it.

Forza charges a similar rate per car for DLC, and that's the only comparable comparison... and you pay monthly to play it online, whereas PSN is free. One year of playing that one online costs four to five times as much as this DLC. Of course, I'm not of the opinion that this is too expensive, either. You pay for service, and PSN's free service isn't that great.

 

[Ronin_GTDave]

See, the thing i don't get is why we're paying for this at all? The content is already in the game as Amar has already proved so why we paying for something we already have?

Don't get me wrong, i'm not really bothered by it, i'm going to buy it anyway but there has to be a point there.

After i've bought the DLC though i, like many others will have spent a total of £159.49 on GT5, £150 for the signiture edition on release (could have bought it for £50 a month later ) and £9.49 on the DLC, it is starting to sound like extortion now i think about it lol.

 

[Starking]

See, the thing i don't get is why we're paying for this at all? The content is already in the game as Amar has already proved so why we paying for something we already have?

Don't get me wrong, i'm not really bothered by it, i'm going to buy it anyway but there has to be a point there.

After i've bought the DLC though i, like many others will have spent a total of £159.49 on GT5, £150 for the signiture edition on release (could have bought it for £50 a month later ) and £9.49 on the DLC, it is starting to sound like extortion now i think about it lol.

It was added in the update to prevent problems between those that have the DLC and those that don't. The track was (For what we know) never in the original game. Developers normally add their DLC into an update to prevent problems in online modes. That's why most DLC are just unlock keys that are only 100kb.

 

[CSLACR]

There's a reason DLC is called "add-on", because that's all that it is.

You sell a game package for much less overall because you have higher sales for the basic game, which increases profit. This is the same reason you will pay only $14-$16,000 for, say, a Honda Fit which costs some $10,000 to produce yet will pay another $1,000 for an optional nav-system which would cost you $300 outside. Options cost extra. They always cost extra. An often at a wildly different rate compared to the base item. I mean, who really believes that a special paint job for your Porsche should cost as much as a new compact?

By the logic that DLC should cost whatever fraction of the price of the basic game it represents, DLC for "free-to-play" games should not just be free, they should pay you to get it... if you've actually played "free-to-play" games, then you know that ain't so.

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And we're getting sidetracked from the point. Was GT5 finished when it was released? No. Did PD force us to pay for the "completion" of GT5? Did we pay for graphics upgrades, standard interior upgrades, avatars, helmets and suits, online content, seasonals, GT Academy promotionals, physics tweaks or online dealerships? No.

We're being asked to pay for additional cars (which nobody really needs and which I, with the exception of the Prius touring car, don't want), extra paints (which some people may want) and tracks (which most of us do want). You're not forced to purchase them all together or at all to enjoy GT5. They can charge whatever they want for it.

Forza charges a similar rate per car for DLC, and that's the only comparable comparison... and you pay monthly to play it online, whereas PSN is free. One year of playing that one online costs four to five times as much as this DLC. Of course, I'm not of the opinion that this is too expensive, either. You pay for service, and PSN's free service isn't that great.

I agree with your point as a whole, I believe I said in my post that DLC always costs extra.
But as per comparisons, I show you a $2000 TV, and a $1500 TV, does that make the $1500 TV cheap?

I'm not saying it's expensive compared to the market for what it is and how other things are priced, I'm saying it's insanely expensive for what it actually is.
Maybe that's pointing out the obvious, but it's a fair point regardless.

For me, it will be $12 for one track, and 10-11 cars.
If they gave the option to buy them separately for less, meaning just the cars and track wouldn't cost more then everything combined, I might find it less of a price gouge, but they didn't.

I'm just saying for me (and probably others) I won't be paying this amount again for the same amount of content being much anything else, because it's to expensive for what you get.

Just because it's seen as "normal" to pay 5X as much for optional extras, doesn't make it less of a rip-off, it only means DLC is usually a rip-off.
I find it particularly amusing all the comments I've heard in the past month of how PD doesn't care about money, they're just in it for passion, the DLC might be free, or will be cheap. I find this a slice of humble pie for them, even if they won't look through their bias to see the "shocker" that is PD (Sony) likes money too.

It was added in the update to prevent problems between those that have the DLC and those that don't. The track was (For what we know) never in the original game. Developers normally add their DLC into an update to prevent problems in online modes. That's why most DLC are just unlock keys that are only 100kb.

You'd do well to remember Nurburgring and Le Sarthe were in GT5P, yet we were never allowed to use them.

 

[Starking]

You'd do well to remember Nurburgring and Le Sarthe were in GT5P, yet we were never allowed to use them.

Was the data there to drive them? Or was it in name only? I remember they were there, but I also remember it was merely the name and information on the track (Not the full blown circuits.) Otherwise I'm pretty confident someone would have found Spa in GT5's coding somewhere.

 

[Rdp616]

It kills me how some people complain about 10$ I can make that with a phone call .

 

[CSLACR]

Was the data there to drive them? Or was it in name only? I remember they were there, but I also remember it was merely the name and information on the track (Not the full blown circuits.) Otherwise I'm pretty confident someone would have found Spa in GT5's coding somewhere.

It was playable in demo's at stores, so I have to say yes, it was playable.
Whether people found out how, I do not know. I'm not saying Spa has been on GT5's disc, but finding out it has been would certainly not surprise me.

It kills me how some people complain about 10$ I can make that with a phone call .

Make that call then, and send me $10, K? It's only $10, right? I will give you my address to send it and I'll wait for your check, thanks.

 

[swiftwilly]

pfft..i live in Australia, our currency has pretty much been parity with the US if not higher, but we still get way way higher prices. our commodities also pin the worlds growth for other countries so sort our currency first thanks

 

[niky]

Unfortunately, we don't have a better business model for PD to follow and if it works, who's going to risk going lower?

I agree that in pure monetary terms, all DLC is outrageously priced, but they're the ones doing the work, so they get to decide how much their time and effort is worth to them.

Honestly, I can find a dozen different ways to fund DLC (advertising revenues in-game, for example, or putting loading ads in GT5 Online), but I doubt they would go for that... as it means marginal profit.

I'm in the magazine business. As a contributor, though, instead of a publisher (though I have decades of experience in editing and layout)... because I'm not crazy enough to gamble my money on a poor business model (we worked for six months on the numbers then decided... no)... it's a poor model because ad revenue barely covers overhead. And even if you find ways to pay for content development costs through advertising revenue, it simply isn't enough to pay for new content development down the line unless you have direct sales money funding it further. PD doesn't have any other income streams besides direct sales because they don't charge for additional content directly. Now they're starting to. And the income from this goes into future DLC and GT6.

Like I said... note who offers free content... it's cheap games with small groups of programmers or individual programmers who can subsist on ad revenue... or games which force you to buy DLC to be competitive or to even achieve certain tasks in the game, after giving you the basic game for free. You get what you pay for, and this is the price.

I've played some fantastic free games, and I've seen some great free DLC. But I've also payed for some games that were worth the money. Last sum I spent online was $10 for a turn-based strategy/comedy game. While the story and art were great, it obviously didn't take half-as-long to program (in terms of man-hours and processing power) as Spa alone would take. But I bought it, anyway... and I felt it was well worth the money.

 

[Samus]

It kills me how some people complain about 10$ I can make that with a phone call .

Give it up with this reasoning already. we know $10 isn't a lot of money, but that doesn't mean we spend it on anything, just because it's not a lot.

But if you do, I have a paperclip here that I have for sale, it's $10. Would you like to buy it? I mean, it's only $10, that's nothing.

 

[jjaisli]

Give it up with this reasoning already. we know $10 isn't a lot of money, but that doesn't mean we spend it on anything, just because it's not a lot.

But if you do, I have a paperclip here that I have for sale, it's $10. Would you like to buy it? I mean, it's only $10, that's nothing.

How much does a paperclip cost to manufacturer. I wonder, how much it cost PD to properly model Spa + the Kart track. In the case of Spa, it was probably a team of 4+ people with digital cameras, measuring equipment, there was car rental, helicopter rental, permits, licenses, not to mention hotel, food, travel expenses. And then a team of probably a dozen or more people working on the graphics and visuals for 6 months or more. And then another team of who knows how many working on what's underneath it, getting the actual track modeling to match the pictures and measurements. When all was said and done, I'm guessing it probably cost them millions from start to finish.

Modeling a new track is a HUGE undertaking. It's many times the work of modeling a new car. I think one has to appreciate what's behind it. They have to not only recoup that cost but they have to make a profit on it. They're a business Simon. That's what businesses do--they generate money for their employees, their owners and their shareholders.

 

[TeggD]

Many of you sound like the London looters. Constantly acting like as if you are entitled to everything for free.

The deal is very good. The game itself was an astonishingly great deal. But the fact people cant accept that is worrying. I guess you might as well give up on life altogether if you are going to moan to that extent.

As far as game dlc go this is one of the very best. Sony in general have been nice when it comes to dlc. It can be much worse looking at other racing games.

 

[sinbad]

How much does a paperclip cost to manufacturer. I wonder, how much it cost PD to properly model Spa + the Kart track. In the case of Spa, it was probably a team of 4+ people with digital cameras, measuring equipment, there was car rental, helicopter rental, permits, licenses, not to mention hotel, food, travel expenses. And then a team of probably a dozen or more people working on the graphics and visuals for 6 months or more. And then another team of who knows how many working on what's underneath it, getting the actual track modeling to match the pictures and measurements. When all was said and done, I'm guessing it probably cost them millions from start to finish.

Modeling a new track is a HUGE undertaking. It's many times the work of modeling a new car. I think one has to appreciate what's behind it. They have to not only recoup that cost but they have to make a profit on it. They're a business Simon. That's what businesses do--they generate money for their employees, their owners and their shareholders.

But as a consumer you don't have to care what the development costs were. Something being expensive to develop doesn't make it intrinsically valuable to everybody, just as the way something being cheap to make (like a painting) could have value far beyond the production costs.

The first ps3s cost far more to make than they sold them for, but it's still just a ps3, it didn't make it sensible for them to charge $1000 dollars per unit. And if they had, you'd be foolish to think it's worth the money just because it cost that much to make.

PD have priced the dlc quite realistically and fairly imo, though, the price is determined purely by the number they hope they will sell, and that number is determined by the price point, since there is zero extra cost for each seperate sale.

They would rather sell 1 million at $10 than 1000 at $100.

 

[GTapocalypse]

Sont canèt help exchange rates and international currency.

 

[nitrorocks]

You guys can always buy cheaper than us, our money is more. We have to pay $11.49 or something, but it doesn't matter, just $11.49