Sound Update (PD is now hiring! + Email!)Answered

[TayeezSA]

Just remembered that wind noise also needs to add to the equation. I feel it needs to be more pronounced.

I guess one good way of doing this would be attaching a bunch of mics to a Tesla going at full swing or going to a wind tunnel, setting up some mics in the tunnel and recording wind at various speeds.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just remembered that wind noise also needs to add to the equation. I feel it needs to be more pronounced.

I guess one good way of doing this would be attaching a bunch of mics to a Tesla going at full swing or going to a wind tunnel, setting up some mics in the tunnel and recording wind at various speeds.

Wind noise is already there, they've tweaked it up and down a couple of times in GT5 IIRC.

 

[TayeezSA]

Wind noise is already there, they've tweaked it up and down a couple of times in GT5 IIRC.

Hence why I said it needs to be more pronounced It would be nice to hear more wind and tire noise in the cabin, even with the chase cam. I'd prefer the wind to be a bit more dramatic like it kinda was in GT3 and GT4. If I'm gonna go 200km/h I want it to also sound like I'm going at that speed.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Hence why I said it needs to be more pronounced It would be nice to hear more wind and tire noise in the cabin, even with the chase cam. I'd prefer the wind to be a bit more dramatic like it kinda was in GT3 and GT4. If I'm gonna go 200km/h I want it to also sound like I'm going at that speed.

My point was, we had more wind noise at one point in GT5 and they took it away in an update for whatever reason. If they've taken it away I doubt it'll return. What we really need is...wait for it...options!! A slider for wind noise would make it work for everyone. Like many issues with the game, the solutions are quite simple and actually included already in other games.

 

[Griffith500]

Yeah, the wind noise went both ways in GT5. It was really good in GT5P, toned down for GT5, increased again, then finally reduced below what it was at launch.

GT6 launched much the same as GT5's final state, and has stayed that way.


Whilst I agree they're a great solution to a lot of "problems", the difficulty with including options is maintaining sensible limits and testing all the combinations. As an example, SMS were reticent to promise options in pCARS in many cases, and even tried to politics their way out of it when plain logic failed (citing things like UI complications etc. and getting certain people to parrot these excuses), but most people seemed to be having none of it regardless.
In the end, they'll do what they want; of course, they come from a PC background so it'll lean more towards customisation than not.

PD doesn't have much of a heritage of built-in-customisability, so whatever they choose to open up will inevitably have to be built from the ground-up, in a way that complements what the game does (and doesn't do).

 

[Aphelion]

just saying that i have noticed a few cars that have (more) accurate sound than i expected. for example, the 288GTO actually sounds like a mid 80's Ferrari! cant think of any others in particular, and they are all still missing sound 'layers', but they sound OK! and they didn't sound like this on release.

 

[Lord Protector]

So it's been over a month since part 1 of so-called "answer" and we still got no real answer...

 

[mister dog]

So it's been over a month since part 1 of so-called "answer" and we still got no real answer...

Look above; thread says "answered".

Spoiler

Sarcasm

 

[Soulfresh_ACV]

Look above; thread says "answered".

Spoiler

Sarcasm

Yeah, that's the day I felt GTP lost it's independence. If u follow even closely, Part 3 of Kaz answerer is still coming which has been over a month.

 

[avens]

It'd be quite nice to remove the "Answered" image, since the question really isn't answered in the very slightest.

I hope the one that decides what's answered or not is someone relatively objective and independent. PD itself or Zero are not.

Also I thought the idea of this Q&A was to get direct answers from PD, posted here on GTP. Instead, we got an external blog, dedicated mostly to covering PD's ventures in racing events, with some months long vague articles that more than saying an answer in actuality they are only telling a history.

The blog is a journal, not a Q&A session.

 

[Revoy]

According to Google, an answer is:

a thing said, written, or done to deal with or as a reaction to a question, statement, or situation.

In the opening post, a number of questions were asked in regards to the issue at hand, and Kaz has first and foremost acknowledged these questions (or this thread to be specific) in his blog and has given us a response. We asked him something, he 'answered' us. Is he finished with his answer? No. He is giving us his answer in pieces.
It may be vague, yes. Some of us like his approach; some of us do not. But regardless of what you think, we asked him a question and we received an answer. If your sister breaks your phone and when you ask her why she broke it, she says "I don't know", did she not answer you? An upsetting one but an answer regardless.

The point I'm trying to make is that an incomplete answer is still an answer, whether you like what you hear or not. That's why the thread is marked the way it is, answered. If you think it is marked answered because we got a complete and ultimate response, then why isn't this thread locked? All we need to do is just be patient.

 

[Johnnypenso]

According to Google, an answer is:

In the opening post, a number of questions were asked in regards to the issue at hand, and Kaz has first and foremost acknowledged these questions (or this thread to be specific) in his blog and has given us a response. We asked him something, he 'answered' us. Is he finished with his answer? No. He is giving us his answer in pieces.
It may be vague, yes. Some of us like his approach; some of us do not. But regardless of what you think, we asked him a question and we received an answer. If your sister breaks your phone and when you ask her why she broke it, she says "I don't know", did she not answer you? An upsetting one but an answer regardless.

The point I'm trying to make is that an incomplete answer is still an answer, whether you like what you hear or not. That's why the thread is marked the way it is, answered. If you think it is marked answered because we got a complete and ultimate response, then why isn't this thread locked? All we need to do is just be patient.

You are confusing the verb and the noun IMO. When you ask someone a question and their mouth moves and words come out, that's the verb, they are literally "answering" as in responding. One can "answer" without saying anything at all relevant or worthwhile. See "politician".

In common usage, we consider a question answered when the response is on point, in full, and unambiguous.

 

[Revoy]

You are confusing the verb and the noun IMO. When you ask someone a question and their mouth moves and words come out, that's the verb, they are literally "answering" as in responding. One can "answer" without saying anything at all relevant or worthwhile. See "politician".

Verb correction:

say or write something to deal with or as a reaction to someone or something.

And then my point stands, because no matter which way you turn it, it still leads to the same conclusion.

In common usage, we consider a question answered when the response is on point, in full, and unambiguous.

That may be true, but what I said isn't wrong either. If we want to correct this whole scenario, then maybe simply 'Answered' at the top isn't specific enough, and there should be something along the lines of 'responded to' or 'answered in full' when completed.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

^In other words, thanks again, Kaz.

Your vagueness strikes again!

 

[avens]

According to Google, an answer is:


In the opening post, a number of questions were asked in regards to the issue at hand, and Kaz has first and foremost acknowledged these questions (or this thread to be specific) in his blog and has given us a response. We asked him something, he 'answered' us. Is he finished with his answer? No. He is giving us his answer in pieces.
It may be vague, yes. Some of us like his approach; some of us do not. But regardless of what you think, we asked him a question and we received an answer. If your sister breaks your phone and when you ask her why she broke it, she says "I don't know", did she not answer you? An upsetting one but an answer regardless.

The point I'm trying to make is that an incomplete answer is still an answer, whether you like what you hear or not. That's why the thread is marked the way it is, answered. If you think it is marked answered because we got a complete and ultimate response, then why isn't this thread locked? All we need to do is just be patient.

If you read the OP and the following posts you'll see the questions are very much specific. None of those has been answered at all, not incompletely, not vaguely.

Besides, how come an answer in progress (very first parts) can be considered an answer? Such response is just making distinctions out of nowhere and for no reason.

 

[Revoy]

If you read the OP and the following posts you'll see the questions are very much specific. None of those has been answered at all, not incompletely, not vaguely.

Besides, how come an answer in progress (very first parts) can be considered an answer? Such response is just making distinctions out of nowhere and for no reason.

What you say is relatively opinionated, even if 95% of our planet here agrees with you. While you think it was not answered at all, someone else thinks otherwise, hence this discussion (i.e. the green little text above). You may say what I said is also of opinion, but I provided a definition and said why I think the question has been answered, albeit unsatisfactory.

 

[avens]

What you say is relatively opinionated, even if 95% of our planet here agrees with you. While you think it was not answered at all, someone else thinks otherwise, hence this discussion (i.e. the green little text above). You may say what I said is also of opinion, but I provided a definition and said why I think the question has been answered, albeit unsatisfactory.

First things first, consider the questions are completely specific. What PD is talking about on the blogs are about how the sounds were recorded and about other aspects, but they aren't touching the specific questions about anything. This topic is not about "PD please talk about sounds in general and about how much fun you are having at the Ring", but about "When the announced GT6 sound update will come, replacing the 'placeholders' as you said" (#1). That's why I say the Pit Stop blog is a journal more than a Q&A session.

That question and others in this thread are not answered in any of their sound ramblings, not vaguely nor they aren't talking about the subject.

Secondly, even if you consider that part1 and part2 are about the question in the OP (which they are not), still you do agree on that the question has not been fully answered, as in a work in progress, "unfinished" (#701).

The two possible outcomes here are: not answered (no image) and answered (image). There's not a third "unfinished" option,therefore the two only choices are black or white, no grey option. A not finished answer is not an answer, making it fall into the category of "not answered" (no image). With that said this is not a matter of opinion, or of definitions and whatnot.

This is getting worse than the PD-made distinctions "standard" answers, "semi-premium" answers . As you said, most probably the vast majority of users here agrees with what I wrote before, and I'll speculate the reason is that we are sick of the roundabouts and excuses PD takes and makes about everything, which end up in not doing anything well, never completing something. We want concrete answers -like they said they would- and we want the concrete announced features in the time they said, that's all. So far it's 10 years of 'placeholders' and of 'WIP' answers; yes a whole decade.

 

[Johnnypenso]

What you say is relatively opinionated, even if 95% of our planet here agrees with you. While you think it was not answered at all, someone else thinks otherwise, hence this discussion (i.e. the green little text above). You may say what I said is also of opinion, but I provided a definition and said why I think the question has been answered, albeit unsatisfactory.

I still think you're getting caught up in the verb/noun distinction. If you ask me what's happening with the Course Maker and I say, "I like cheese" I answered (verb) your question. However it isn't actually an answer (noun) to the question I asked. We are looking for answers to our specific questions, so far we found out Kaz likes cheese and raced at the Nurb 24 hr event, and some background information on the history of GT sounds.

 

[Aussie_HSV]

I thought Kaz has said *paraphrasing* that there may be some improvements in GT6 but the major update will not be until GT7.

 

[Revoy]

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The two possible outcomes here are: not answered (no image) and answered (image). There's not a third "unfinished" option.

With that said this is not a matter of opinion, or of definitions and whatnot. The two only choices are black or white, no grey option. If the answer is not finished then it cannot be considered a finished answered.

Good point, but again there's no one to mediate and make a judgement saying there is only black and white and no little grey section. The black and white is merely what we all want.

@Johnnypenso I understand where you're coming from completely. However you said it yourself..
"I like cheese" I answered (verb) your question".

That's the point I'm making. He answered us, just not the way we want (specifically/noun).


All in all though, this little section of the thread would be easily amended if the [Answered] was removed/postponed.

This is getting worse than the PD-made distinctions "standard" answers, "semi-premium" answers

This made me laugh lol.

 

[TayeezSA]

Or why doesn't it just say "Pending" instead of "Answered" so everyone is happy?

 

[ScottPuss20]

In all seriousness, most road cars have decent sounds-but pretty much all of the race cars are off. The majority of road cars will only need a small amount of editing, while the race cars need to be recorded again. More sounds like the 97T would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Soulfresh_ACV]

Yeah, that's the day I felt GTP lost it's independence. If u follow even closely, Part 3 of Kaz answerer is still coming which has been over a month.

Part 3 is out. In short, PD response is GT sound will be improve over time but not their priority as their reasoning is lack of staff.

Anyone satisfied with their response and consider this question as being answered?

 

[shirakawaa]

So in the end the answer is "we'll eventually improve sounds, but not right now also because we don't have enough time and staff for that".
I think I can see where this franchise is going.

 

[Zlork]

Kaz, thank you for your reply, it was very interesting !

I hope you get the result you want ! You have my support! 👍

 

[TayeezSA]

Hey @Griffith500, there's an employmeny opportunity for you lol

 

[FoRiZon]

Answer is now complete (According to Kaz anyway). OP is updated for your convenience.

 

[jimipitbull]

Part 3 is out. In short, PD response is GT sound will be improve over time but not their priority as their reasoning is lack of staff.

Anyone satisfied with their response and consider this question as being answered?

Yes, and it also answers questions regarding hiring more staff

 

[Griffith500]

And its also pains me that there are no sound engineers around anymore that can “make sound”.
20 years ago, there was a culture of sound synthesizers, where it was like “if you can’t record it, make it”. But since the advent of samplers, there are less and less people nowadays that are able to trace back sounds to their original principles of creation, and synthesize sounds that sound authentic.

I share your pain, Kaz. The sampler is responsible for so many ills, as useful as it is.

So not only do they lack in recording staff, the industry as a whole lacks in the expertise that put it where it is today, including designing and engineering the original samplers. I'm sure I've said that myself.

I think they need to poach from pure research, those guys and gals are doing really cool things (some for the film industry).

 

[FoRiZon]

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