Space In General

Famine
Meanwhile, at NASA:
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...slow going. ;)

R1600Turbo
It's the big week. Starship SN8 is scheduled to take it's first 15km flight on Monday, although the weather doesn't look great with high winds forecast. Tuesday looks better, but I think we may see a few delays before it flies.
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UPDATE: Another static fire is schedule for Monday. 15km flight no earlier than 12/2.
 
R1600Turbo
...slow going. ;)
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Indeed. At the rate they are missing schedules and budgets, it would seem impossible for them to meet the ambitious goal of landing a man on the Moon by 2024. Even so, we could be doing a better job of documenting their problems and pratfalls. The incoming Biden administration may also be looking for programs ripe to reallocate precious funds from to more basic needs.
 
Blitz24
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That's what happens when the entire receiver unit crashes onto a villainous turncoat 00-agent*.

Again, it won't get much attention from the space-loving internet community, because Space Karen isn't involved. Nonetheless, Arecibo was the first facility to directly image an asteroid, and the telescope used to discover the very first extrasolar planets.

*Oddly, this appears to be exactly what happened, less Alec Trevalyn...
 
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Nothing matters until the James Webb telescope is operational. All my space excitement for years is on hold for that launch.
 
Blitz24
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I think I'll watch Contact this weekend remembrance.

Famine
Again, it won't get much attention from the space-loving internet community, because Space Karen isn't involved
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You'd be wrong. And also you're getting quite annoying using that term. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop. Thanks.

Starship SN8 flight now scheduled for Wednesday. Time TBD.

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R1600Turbo
You'd be wrong.
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Yeah, no. If it's not Space X, the "IFLS" brigade don't want to know. Just look at the reaction the discovery of actual water on the literal Moon got. That's about as significant as it gets, but it passed by almost unheralded, even in this thread...





27k engagements for NASA's Moonwater in over a month, 57k engagements for a Space X communications satellite launch in five days... and the NASA Twitter has three times the follower count of the Space X one (42.2m to 13.5m).


I'd be impressed if more than 20% of IFLSers could point at roughly where Arecibo is on a world map, to within a thousand miles, at first time of asking; its significance will likely be almost totally lost.

They don't care about some mouldy old telescope falling over, when they can watch a grain silo power up to half the height of commercial airliner. Turns out they don't FLS, they just love explosions and shiny things.

Personally, I think Space X itself is a good thing; it's a load of engineers and scientists who know what they're doing, doing some interesting things. It just it pushes lots of genuinely exciting, interesting, and actually innovative stuff* to the background because the guy in charge of it is a self-aggrandising huckster.

It's perfectly possible to like Space X and dislike Musk. It's also perfectly possible to like Space X and other (and less showy) space science - I do, and I assume from your Contact reference, you do too. Not everyone who enjoys a Space X launch is in the ranks of the IFLS.


*A lot of IFLSers will at this point flag up the booster recovery on a barge with a silly name as a Space X innovation. Landing a rocket isn't innovative; literally any craft that has ever landed on anything (including, as a rough example plucked from nothing, Apollo 11) has done this. It's something not commonly done on Earth because the comparatively huge gravity means carrying loads of extra fuel to pull it off, and that's weight that could be used for cargo, so it's easier to just aim it at the blue bit and drag it back later than to land it again... but landing it isn't itself innovative.

It's an impressive feat, the Space X version is a good technical demonstration of V2V communication, and it's a spectacle, but it's not an innovation.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Contact more reference the Very Large Array and NOT Arecibo?
 
Famine
Yeah, no. If it's not Space X, the "IFLS" brigade don't want to know. Just look at the reaction the discovery of actual water on the literal Moon got. That's about as significant as it gets, but it passed by almost unheralded, even in this thread...





27k engagements for NASA's Moonwater in over a month, 57k engagements for a Space X communications satellite launch in five days... and the NASA Twitter has three times the follower count of the Space X one (42.2m to 13.5m).


I'd be impressed if more than 20% of IFLSers could point at roughly where Arecibo is on a world map, to within a thousand miles, at first time of asking; its significance will likely be almost totally lost.

They don't care about some mouldy old telescope falling over, when they can watch a grain silo power up to half the height of commercial airliner. Turns out they don't FLS, they just love explosions and shiny things.

Personally, I think Space X itself is a good thing; it's a load of engineers and scientists who know what they're doing, doing some interesting things. It just it pushes lots of genuinely exciting, interesting, and actually innovative stuff* to the background because the guy in charge of it is a self-aggrandising huckster.

It's perfectly possible to like Space X and dislike Musk. It's also perfectly possible to like Space X and other (and less showy) space science - I do, and I assume from your Contact reference, you do too. Not everyone who enjoys a Space X launch is in the ranks of the IFLS.


*A lot of IFLSers will at this point flag up the booster recovery on a barge with a silly name as a Space X innovation. Landing a rocket isn't innovative; literally any craft that has ever landed on anything (including, as a rough example plucked from nothing, Apollo 11) has done this. It's something not commonly done on Earth because the comparatively huge gravity means carrying loads of extra fuel to pull it off, and that's weight that could be used for cargo, so it's easier to just aim it at the blue bit and drag it back later than to land it again... but landing it isn't itself innovative.

It's an impressive feat, the Space X version is a good technical demonstration of V2V communication, and it's a spectacle, but it's not an innovation.
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I'll just agree to disagree, but I would appreciate you keep your clever names to yourself.

Blitz24
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Contact more reference the Very Large Array and NOT Arecibo?
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The start of the movie was literally filmed at Arecibo. I have not read the book.
 
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R1600Turbo
I'll just agree to disagree, but I would appreciate you keep your clever names to yourself.
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They're not mine. And it is rather apposite for someone who takes to Twitter frequently to peddle nonsense, shill vaporware, and float horsecrap conspiracy tripe when he encounters something he had no previous knowledge of (but something well known to actual scientists [and engineers]; Musk is an economist). He does meet an awful lot of managers too, usually of nations.

Though he's not blond, I'll grant you.
Blitz24
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Contact more reference the Very Large Array and NOT Arecibo?
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It does reference VLA more, but she starts out at Arecibo. Edit: Yes, like PeterJB said.

Of course in the real world, Arecibo not only acted as sort-of hub for SETI, it also projected one of the few attempts to communicate with extra-terrestrials in the Arecibo Message, sent in 1975 towards globular cluster Messier 13. We might get an answer by 51975, but it won't be received at Arecibo :(
 
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Famine
They're not mine.
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Well I follow SpaceX activities quite closely as you can tell from this thread (of which I never see you post anything until recently to spite me) and I've never heard that reference. I'd prefer to keep it that way.
 
R1600Turbo
Well I follow SpaceX activities quite closely as you can tell from this thread
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Yep.
R1600Turbo
(of which I never see you post anything until recently
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Go review... say... page two.
R1600Turbo
to spite me)
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Yeah, no.
R1600Turbo
and I've never heard that reference.
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It sprung up on Twitter around a two week ago when Musk floated the idea that there was something fishy going on with COVID-19 because he had several successive tests with differing results - he had never come across the concept of rapid tests trading accuracy for speed, but decided not to learn about it, preferring instead to act like it was "something bogus going on" to his Twitter following. One irritated scientist responded thusly:



Of course it's far from the first time that Musk has taken to Twitter to spread coronavirus misinformation, much like the stereotypical Facebook Karen does, so it stuck to him pretty hard.

I'm amazed he hasn't responded by calling her a "pedo". Perhaps he's growing as a person.
 
Famine
Yep.

Go review... say... page two.

Yeah, no.

It sprung up on Twitter around a two week ago when Musk floated the idea that there was something fishy going on with COVID-19 because he had several successive tests with differing results - he had never come across the concept of rapid tests trading accuracy for speed, but decided not to learn about it, preferring instead to act like it was "something bogus going on" to his Twitter following. One irritated scientist responded thusly:



Of course it's far from the first time that Musk has taken to Twitter to spread coronavirus misinformation, much like the stereotypical Facebook Karen does, so it stuck to him pretty hard.

I'm amazed he hasn't responded by calling her a "pedo". Perhaps he's growing as a person.
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His activities don't earn SpaceX the right to be called ridiculous names. As a company they are doing amazing things at a very rapid pace. This is why the garner so much attention.

I'd just appreciate it if you'd stop. As an administrator I'd expect better of you. Thanks.
 
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R1600Turbo
His activities don't earn SpaceX the right to be called ridiculous names. As a company they are doing amazing things at a very rapid pace. This is why the garner so much attention.

I'd just appreciate it if you'd stop. As an administrator I'd expect better of you. Thanks.
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Nobody is calling SpaceX ridiculous names.
 
Famine
Nobody is calling SpaceX ridiculous names.
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Then what is the motivation to come in here, after not posting in forever, just to refer to Musk as 'Space Karen' when it has absolutely nothing to do with what is going on? Only stuff I post from him is relevant information, nothing controversial.
 
R1600Turbo
Then what is the motivation to come in here, after not posting in forever, just to refer to Musk as 'Space Karen' when it has absolutely nothing to do with what is going on?
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To... post about and talk about "space in general", like the thread says. Like liquid water on the Moon, or NASA's SLS/Artemis mission, or the loss of Arecibo.
R1600Turbo
Only stuff I post from him is relevant information, nothing controversial.
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What does what you post have to do with it? Aside from this weird sidebar, I haven't even quoted you. It's a bit odd that you think posting non-SpaceX stuff in this thread is in some way done to specifically "spite" you.

Unless you are actually Elon Musk, I don't see how it can be about you in any way. Are you Elon Musk?
 
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Famine
To... post about and talk about "space in general", like the thread says. Like liquid water on the Moon, or NASA's SLS/Artemis mission, or the loss of Arecibo.

What does what you post have to do with it? Aside from this weird sidebar, I haven't even quoted you. It's a bit odd that you think posting non-SpaceX stuff in this thread is in some way done to specifically "spite" you.

Unless you are actually Elon Musk, I don't see how it can be about you in any way. Are you Elon Musk?
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Because you see how much SpaceX stuff I post so you come in here posting about other things (which is fine) but throw in the Space Karen reference not once but twice just to get a rise out of me. Congrats, it worked. Now stop.
 
I really don't see why someone's off-hand message about Musk means anything to anyone, unless they have blind fanaticism about him. If Musk was more dedicated to space exploration/discovery as a whole, he might have commented on Arecibo or even tried to fund something.
 
R1600Turbo
Because you see how much SpaceX stuff I post so you come in here posting about other things (which is fine) but throw in the Space Karen reference not once but twice just to get a rise out of me.
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Again, that makes no sense unless you are Elon Musk. Why would it get a rise out of you? Why would I know that it would get a rise out of you? Why would I want to get a rise out of you? Who are you that's so important that I must know your likes and dislikes, and making you react badly is a primary purpose of mine when I post?

How can anyone take the concept of posting things about space stuff that isn't SpaceX in a thread about "space in general" as a personal slight against them? I mean, unless they think that the universe revolves around them - which would be a fantastically odd mindset for someone posting about rockets in thread about space...
R1600Turbo
Congrats, it worked. Now stop.
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Fun fact: you've posted it exactly as many times as I have, and both times you've posted it are more recent than both times I've posted it.


In other news, China's "Chang'e 5" lander has reached the Moon. It's planned to return to Earth with rock samples, with only the USA and Russia (well, the USSR) having done so before:

 
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Blitz24
I really don't see why someone's off-hand message about Musk means anything to anyone, unless they have blind fanaticism about him. If Musk was more dedicated to space exploration/discovery as a whole, he might have commented on Arecibo or even tried to fund something.
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Off hand message that was completely unnecessary. That's the issue.
 
@R1600Turbo

Dude, I have no idea where you're coming from. NOTHING Famine posted was directed at you. He didn't make up the term, he showed you where it came from, and it would have literally disappeared from the thread unnoticed had you not hounded him about his "offense." The fact that some other person's label, being used by him, somehow gripes you, is just... remarkable.

Please don't be for Elon Musk what morganhead/prayformaserati was for Lindsay Lohan, and just get fussy whenever anything remotely negative about him comes up.

My own feelings: SpaceX rocks, and Tesla went a lot farther than I ever thought they would. I think this is more about Mr. Musk's ability to find people than anything he's capable of hisownself. He's a bit of a tool. he has ideas, he thinks big, but I'm not sure he actually understands any of it.

And yeah, I've never understood calling it "Starship..."
 
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@R1600Turbo

Dude, I have no idea where you're coming from. NOTHING Famine posted was directed at you. He didn't make up the term, he showed you where it came from, and it would have literally disappeared from the thread unnoticed had you not hounded him about his "offense." The fact that some other person's label, being used by him, somehow gripes you, is just... remarkable.

Please don't be for Elon Musk what morganhead/prayformaserati was for Lindsay Lohan, and just get fussy whenever anything remotely negative about him comes up.

My own feelings: SpaceX rocks, and Tesla went a lot farther than I ever thought they would. I think this is more about Mr. Musk's ability to find people than anything he's capable of hisownself. He's a bit of a tool. he has ideas, he thinks big, but I'm not sure he actually understands any of it.

And yeah, I've never understood calling it "Starship..."
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I've said my piece and that's that. Next post from me will be a livestream link for the first STARSHIP flight which will either be amazing or a successful failure. Either way, SpaceX making history yet again.
 
R1600Turbo
I'll assume you have a better one.
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Pretty much anything, really, but "space vehicle" would work. Maybe that has no pizzazz, but at least it's not a blatant lie.

R1600Turbo
I've said my piece and that's that. Next post from me will be a livestream link for the first STARSHIP flight which will either be amazing or a successful failure. Either way, SpaceX making history yet again.
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I don 't expect to see a STARSHIP flight for a good while yet. Particularly not a manned one.
 
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I actually quite admire Musk for what he's done with space exploration and electric cars. Love or hate Tesla, they've certainly pushed the car manufacturing community, with a few exceptions, into pursuing electrification beyond the pace it would have done naturally if it just had the threat of legislation hanging over them. The same can probably be said with SpaceX, except that industry tends to move at a more glacial pace and any progress has been, space-race era aside, harder to perceive.
 

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