"Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view.Update read 1st page

[Calcifer]

Here are the questions people want to know (including me). Can someone answer them?

Do the standard cars look like crap or can they be appreciated?
What can you compare the standard cars with?
Will the Nissan Skyline be standard or premium?
Will there be an interior view of standard cars at all?

Nobody knows. We've just been given some screenshots and everybody is just guessing what kind of car it is. There might be a premium Skyline, but what about the 50 other Skyline's? They're similar enough to give them the premium treatment too but this will leave fewer other cars. And what about the prologue cars? Will they all be upgraded? Even the cappuccino? And if not, we would even have 3 categories since a lot of people here just assume that the standard cars must look like old GT4 ones and already know for sure that not a single polygon is touched.

We don't even know for sure what the premium cars are used for. Just eyecandy? Even when every part is separately modeled and can fall of we've only seen a few scratches and dents. We haven't seen dramatic crashes that may warrent the amount of work that went into it. There may be more to it but we don't know. We just have to wait.

And as usual, Sony's marketing people know nothing. They know the basic things but don't have details (which is typical for most large companies. The marketing people are fed some information by the developers but they're not really interested in what they sell)

 

[Dan_]

I really hope the Prologue models can be seen as Standard ( seeing the enormous amount of extra detail those Premium models seem to have over the already perfect Prologue models ).
And even if those Standard models haven't got an interior ( which we unfortunately now have to really consider very likely ) I can't see them adding a blacked out PSP style option which probably makes some sense on a small PSP screen but would look very illresolved on a large TV-screen.
And a generic dashboard will never be a substitute as the main reason I liked all these different interiors that they were, well, different ( like all the cars are different )

I agree completely, however, I just found the official factsheet, and it still leaves some room for speculation, but judging by their tone, you can drop your hopes, disappointing.

Source: http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html

I'm still happy with all the new features, and I know that the cockpitgate issue hasn't been clarified yet, but I can't understand why we're getting new features at the cost of cockpit view, one of the biggest attractives in Prologue.

I'll be still pleased with whatever the sensei delivers, but cockpit view was one of the most wanted features to me, hence my disappointment.

 

[ICEMAN_ZIDANE]

POINTLESS discussion...
are +200 premium cars which are modeled perfectly(1:1) not enough?

i can't wait to drive the old E 190 Evo 2 (standard ) ...

 

[Spagetti69]

I agree 200 premiums are enough. If the variation is the right mix and the 200 can be used in GT mode, then fine.

 

[AleksandarSRB]

I can wait to drive F1(Premium) but I dont know about F1 LM and GTR( are they are premium or standard)!!! I dont care about standard\premium car's a will try almost ALL CAR'S!!!!!

 

[analog]

POINTLESS discussion...
are +200 premium cars which are modeled perfectly(1:1) not enough?

I agree 200 premiums are enough. If the variation is the right mix and the 200 can be used in GT mode, then fine.

It's only a pointless discussion if you don't use interior view and don't use all the available cars.
I really used all cars in GT4 on the previous gen console at least more than twice and since Prologue I was really looking forward to doing the same on the current gen console using interior view, not just on only 200 models seemingly designed for the next gen.
For you it may be enough if you use a different view anyway and don't care for most cars available in GT4 but don't tell me whether I should think that's enough.

 

[pLiDeX]

I don't know why you post this bro please explain the USA site and the japan site is slight different in the japan site has a little bulletin that say

※“スタンダードカー”はインテリア視点に対応していません。

※ "Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view.

for all of those in doubt, copy and past the Japanese text here

USE THAT TRANSLATOR

"The standard car doesn't support an interior viewpoint."

it's very clear, interior viewpoint = driver's eyes viewpoint

I'm really disappointed with not having cockpits for all the cars, but please, just face it, it's very clear that there won't be cockpits

 

[Joel]

I hope we at least get a generic cockpit for the standard cars, but if not, whatever.

 

[warp9engage]

I would also be happy with the 200 premium cars, but in my opinion, their should be an option to deactivate them or not install them, like in Forza 3 in which you can play without the extra 100 cars in the second disk if you want.

Even though I like the idea of 1000 cars, the difference in detail between the two types of cars is so big that the standard models look like toys next to the premium ones. This creates a kind of inbalance in the game making it look incomplete, and as I stated elsewhere, somewhat recycled.

By having only the premium models in-game, everything would look superbly polished and contribute for a much better overall presentation.

 

[terminator363]

Guys get it together NO COCKPIT VIEW, NO COCKPIT VIEW, it's over, it does not matter, think about something else, will you.

 

[Heath_1]

Perhaps this is what the "Interior View" is. The interior of the car shown in replays. Interior may not be the same as Cockpit view.

 

[Dravonic]

Perhaps this is what the "Interior View" is. The interior of the car shown in replays. Interior may not be the same as Cockpit view.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u139/Heath_1589/interiorview.jpg

I'll quote myself from another thread:

The truth is often unpleasant. That's why you'll always see people trying to distort it into something more soothing. "Translation problems", "The game is still unfinished", "It will be fixed by the time it releases", "Interior means engine, trunk and other things, not cockpit". But whatever your escapist fantasy, the truth is still there.

Is there a possibility I'm interpreting the facts in the wrong way? Sure. But so many evidence point in this direction that I just can't keep fooling myself. It was there from a long time ago. Since last year and the infamous web page that slipped from PD's hand confirming us many things, plus the standard cars with no cockpits fiasco. We just chose not to believe in it. Like we do with any bad news.

 

[Spagetti69]

I blame translations for the whole cockup.

Kaz " what are our fans asking for now "

translator " they are asking for an inferior view "

Kaz " I will provide inferior view "

 

[FlareKR]

So in one simple sentence in plain English...
Are they standard cars going to have interiors or no?

We still don't have concrete proof!

 

[gtracedriver]

Great news, thanks 👍

TBH I think standard cars will look as good as other racing games if not better and have cockpit view too but it won't have same amount of detail. They always said no interior, they din't say no cockpit

 

[Owen.C93]

Great news, thanks 👍

TBH I think standard cars will look as good as other racing games if not better and have cockpit view too but it won't have same amount of detail. They always said no interior, they din't say no cockpit

Did you read the rest of the thread?

 

[Spagetti69]

Face it, if Kaz said no cockpit view people would still say " he never said no driving perspective view"

 

[gtracedriver]

^^

NO cockpit view, is most precise answer.

Did you read the rest of the thread?

Yes, I know it is not crystal clear but they will just have it, there is no need to boost about standard cockpit view. They always mention about the details not about cockpit.

But time will tell

 

[Dan_]

POINTLESS discussion...
are +200 premium cars which are modeled perfectly(1:1) not enough?

i can't wait to drive the old E 190 Evo 2 (standard ) ...

Of course that's enough, however the cockpit view is one of the most desired features in the game to me, hence I'm still discussing that. Wheter the discussion is pointless or not is beyond my judgement, just don't try putting words in other people mouths, no one here is complaining about Premium vs Standard or modelling accuracy, we're talking about a camera option and the consequences of it's implementation or lack.

Honestly, I've read the factsheet and many other news, and it's becoming clearer that we won't be getting the same Prologue'ish cockpit views in Standard cars, but the way PD is dealing with the question points out to another form of cockpit view, maybe a generic interior view, in a GTPSP style or sorta.

Regardless of that, the game will still be great, and that's all that matters right now.

 

[chepu]

Standard Cars wont Have Cockpit, and from what I've read, they will be upscaled GT4 Models, so Forget Customizing Those too; hteyre Just one Piece model with Textures (Pretty Crappy models for this Generation of Consoles) :/

 

[fasj6418]

Also, people are forgetting to read the whole text.

Read from the US site and then add the japanese disclaimer.

It looks like they tried to say "this differentiation does not relate to interiors". It can also be viewed as a dumb attempt to say "when we talk about differences, we are not talking about interiors".

Nothing is clear.

Based on what we know so far, it's almost certain that standard cars will not have cockpit views, but youn can't say that based on their fact sheet, or based on KAZ's tweet, because he was also referring to a specific question on different perspectives withim the cockpit view.

Nobody has asked the question directly, in plain english, so we can have a final answer.

When i say things point to no cockpit, it's because usually when they try to run away from the uestion, it's because bad news are coming, not based on what they actually said so far.

 

[Spagetti69]

The standard cars have less detail, this we know as fact.
Would it therefor be rude to assume that the windscreen wipers don't work.
Following that if weather does make it into the game( something they have gone quiet on)
you couldn't have cockpit view in a standard car in the rain?

 

[Dravonic]

Seriously.

I get that the lack of cockpit in so many cars is shocking news, it hit me hard, single-handedly killing my post E3 2010 trailer hype, but I never realized it's so shocking so many people refuse to believe it.

I don't want to be around when these people lose their last shred of hope.

 

[gtracedriver]

Standard Cars wont Have Cockpit, and from what I've read, they will be upscaled GT4 Models, so Forget Customizing Those too; hteyre Just one Piece model with Textures (Pretty Crappy models for this Generation of Consoles) :/

Upscaling will lead to pixelation and more bad quality of image. for eg: try to set an 640*480 image as your desktop background instead of native resolution it will bad as the image is streched.

It is not just GT4 modles upscaled, they will increase texture resolution, tessellation and do other things to improve the quality. Did he specifically say only GT4 models. I read some where he said previous GT games. That could also mean GTHD and GT5P ?

 

[paulpg87]

c'on.. stop it. Standard cars won't have cokcpit view and they'll be upscaled cars from gt4.( also for some tracks will be the same).

i know it's hard to believe and a huge huge fail.

 

[Devedander]

This ****ing "correspond" translation issue about stadard cars again... ARRRGGGGGGG

I swear PD does this on purprose.

For those that don't understand a interview had the same wording about standard cars last year around TGS that spawned a ferver of debate.

 

[SuperShouden]

I don't know how it would work with Premium cars having an extra viewpoint. I mean, if you set your default view to cockpit, then what would happen if you got in a standard car it if didn't have a cockpit view? would it switch views automatically change? I do know. I think there just might be a cockpit view. Perhaps the Japanese sit got it wrong.

 

[JDMKING13]

Thank you everyone for your mature post for the people writing " theres not cockpit view with no legitimate argument please back up your information with concrete proof. IMO Interior view and cockpit view could easly be mixed up. I still strongly say we will get some type of generic Cockpit View Even the psp version had cockpit racing view. When that game came out did they clearly say in GT PSP will have no cockpit view? For you people just basing your argument just because the interior is blacked out this is not strong enough for me. Again PSP cars look nowhere as good as the Standard ones in GT5 from a replay mode, however they still manage to have a a cockpit driving view in that psp version. From all the text i read so far it is not concrete that we will have no standard cars with cockpit racing view

 

[the Interceptor]

In my book, this discussion has little to do with faith and hope. I don't see fully convincing arguments on either side, therefore we simply do not know the truth yet. As always, it lies with the very details, which is where the information of websites, gaming groups as well as precise translations fail to convince.

Of course, everone has his and her own way of seeing and understanding certain infos which surface, but I have not seen any waterproof verdict on whichever side yet.

 

[JDMKING13]

In my book, this discussion has little to do with faith and hope. I don't see fully convincing arguments on either side, therefore we simply do not know the truth yet. As always, it lies with the very details, which is where the information of websites, gaming groups as well as precise translations fail to convince.

Of course, everone has his and her own way of seeing and understanding certain infos which surface, but I have not seen any waterproof verdict on whichever side yet.

That is a great mature answer 👍 This is why i put all the text and pic together on the 1st page just to make my arguemt stronger. All im saying is we cannot void out no cockpit driving camera view 👍