Standard cars ARE in GT6. (100% confirmed)

[Tenacious D]

I think your post is a slightly extreme exaggeration, but you're welcome to feel that way.

Anyway, gotta spin some rubber before I get embroiled in legal crud for many hours...

 

[PepeMickey]

Thank you

 

[Samus]

I think your post is a slightly extreme exaggeration, but you're welcome to feel that way.

Anyway, gotta spin some rubber before I get embroiled in legal crud for many hours...

It's not, the tyres are still largely the same as GT5 with only a slight improvement in grip transition. If that's because the new Yokohama model isn't in the demo fine, we wait. If it is the 'new' model then yeah his point stands, it's way behind any PC sim.

 

[steve30x]

I really should just resort to "I don't care." Which I don't. Like amar212, Griffith500 and a few other old timers around here who speak their minds freely,

I wouldn't advise that. I got an infraction for speaking my mind and one of the moderators took it as me insulting others. The way I see it is you have to be a whiner in this forum or just keep your mouth shut in this forum.

 

[tankuroded]

I wouldn't advise that. I got an infraction for speaking my mind and one of the moderators took it as me insulting others. The way I see it is you have to be a whiner in this forum or just keep your mouth shut in this forum.

He (Tenacious D) was banned once IIRC, so I think you have point. But I'm not sure.

 

[Fantomas666]

What? Physics? That thing that all racing games have, by definition? That's about as helpful as saying "it has advanced gameplay". It tells people exactly nothing.

Now if there were some aspect of the physics that was something "that only the most advanced next gen racing sims have", then that might be interesting. Feel free to chip in if you can think of one.

I agree with the guy, the physics in general, much better than console competitors don't you think? The way the car behaves in corners under acceleration and braking. It it more than satisfactory. You know the physics the thing that everybody knows what he meant but.......you!

 

[SuperCobraJet]

The way I see it is you have to be a whiner in this forum or just keep your mouth shut in this forum.

That's a tad bit on the extreme side, don't you think?
Not to mention self defeating, for a forum.
You know, dialogue, discussion.

You don't have to be a whiner, but you do have to expect your viewpoint to be challenged and/or criticized at times. Sometimes repeatedly.

I actually welcome and enjoy Ten D's comments and he makes some legitimate arguments, even if IMO they are pretty short on substance.
On the other hand they are usually long on optimistic enthusiasm, which helps to keep my spirits up sometimes.

You are right to an extent, in that he's slugging out a pretty lonely road, where there is no shortage of defensive opportunities.

 

[tinram]

I wouldn't advise that. I got an infraction for speaking my mind and one of the moderators took it as me insulting others. The way I see it is you have to be a whiner in this forum or just keep your mouth shut in this forum.

I have noticed this too, complainers seems to be the vocal majority. But Polls show more folks like GT then those who don't.
Seems to me that the ones who complain exaggerate to get their point across. That's the only reason i can see because If had so much complaints i would not be here enjoying the forum. It's just annoying to read mostly negative comments.

Don't get me wrong pointing out what can be improved is fine, but calling PD lazy and other names, calling what their doing as subpar/unacceptable is a bit overboard. If you call something unacceptable, this means that you are no longer playing the demo and will not buy the game and should probably not waste their time on this forum.

 

[Luminis]

I have noticed this too, complainers seems to be the vocal majority. But Polls show more folks like GT then those who don't.
Seems to me that the ones who complain exaggerate to get their point across. That's the only reason i can see because If had so much complaints i would not be here enjoying the forum. It's just annoying to read mostly negative comments.

Some points for your consideration:
1. GTPlanet consists of more than just the Gran Turismo section. Some folks came for Gran Turismo and stayed for the community outside of the GT section (which, in my opinion, is probably the least fun part of GTPlanet).

2. The reason why the negativity seems more vocal might be because satisfied customers rarely talk up. It might also be because the negative vocal minority is, at times, outnumbered, looked down upon (whiners that should GTFO GTP) and therefore react accordingly.

3. There are a lot of people who like GT. That's fine, but that doesn't mean that the issues that are being brought up are exaggerated or anything.

4. You can say "don't post negative comments", but at the same time, one could answer "stop reading negative comments". If you wanted only positive opinions of the game (or anything), a place where people can voice their opinion freely isn't where you want to be.

 

[Imari]

Some points for your consideration:
1. GTPlanet consists of more than just the Gran Turismo section. Some folks came for Gran Turismo and stayed for the community outside of the GT section (which, in my opinion, is probably the least fun part of GTPlanet).

That'd be me right there.

That, and the long enduring hope that there will one day be another GT as great as GT1 or 2.

 

[ShiftingGears]

That, and the long enduring hope that there will one day be another GT as great as GT1 or 2.

Oh, that burning, painful hope. If GT6 pushed the boundaries of the PS3 like GT2 did for the PS1 I would be amazed.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

That'd be me right there.

That, and the long enduring hope that there will one day be another GT as great as GT1 or 2.

Or 3 or 4.

 

[Tenacious D]

He (Tenacious D) was banned once IIRC, so I think you have point. But I'm not sure.

Yes, arguing with Scaff over the point that SONY wasn't rich because they had been losing large sums of money - around $1 BILLION a year - for years. Well, lo and behold, the BBC states that they could finally report a profit for the first time in five years as of April when they completed their fiscal year statement. And it took them selling off some pricey assets to do so, like their New York HQ, so without that, they may still be in the red. So what else is new at GT Planet.

I actually welcome and enjoy Ten D's comments and he makes some legitimate arguments, even if IMO they are pretty short on substance.

Well, let's be honest now. What gripe posts are "long" on substance? They usually follow this basic format:

GT5 sucks as a game. Ergo

• GT6 will too
• Polyphony has lost the ability to make a good game because the sounds are all horrible, the Standard cars and tracks are shoddy, the bots are braindead, etc
• Kazunori doesn't have a clue what he's doing anymore and should be fired
• Make up random sh... stuff to emphasize your point

Just the matter of GT5 sucking is based on an opinion, which is often driven purely by emotion, and certainly isn't something that can be agreed on by a large number of people as we have here. It seems that as many people love as hate GT5 from the posts that pop up from day to day. And this is in spite of certain factors which are factually true, such as the poorly implemented paint chip system, the weak online build, the damage system which is barely there at all, the paltry number of race moddable cars and the preset liveries which offer all of ONE paintable area to make your car unique in some small way, the weak engine sounds, among many other factors. These are discreet matters of "suckage," and yet there is a hotly debated divide among the members over whether these affect the quality of the overall game. There is no overall consensus on this, just opposite sides taking potshots at each other and insisting the other is guilty of bias.

The very fact that people insist that GT6 will suck because GT5 is bad, is based purely on emotion driven prejudgment, because almost no game is of the same quality of its demo made months before release. Other than damage being pretty similar to the build in GT5, we know almost nothing about GT6, except it will be more advanced in some ways. If damage is your hangup, then yes, GT6 will be a horrible game. For you. But if we can't even come to a consensus over just how bad GT5 is, forget about one for GT6, a game that's months from release.

Yeah, I choose to be optimistic, because unlike many here, I see Kaz and Team Polyphony as a bunch that listen to us, that care about Gran Turismo, because they pour their hearts and souls into this game and want us to feel as involved emotionally with it. We asked for things, and many times, they gave us those things. Or have you already forgotten that you can swap the last gen rims on Standard cars with HD ones, which was a loudly requested change?

Optimism is an emotional reaction as much as anger is, but it's a lot more fun, I assure you. And my optimism isn't groundless.

 

[steve30x]

That's a tad bit on the extreme side, don't you think?

No I dont. I wasnt even insulting others but I still got an infraction.

 

[Cosbuster]

I think your post is a slightly extreme exaggeration, but you're welcome to feel that way

I was going for a more elaborate reply but I think the video that was posted says everything.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

No I dont. I wasnt even insulting others but I still got an infraction.

I recall you being quite aggressive towards people who complained about GT5.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

No I dont. I wasnt even insulting others but I still got an infraction.

Two things:

1. It was an insulting post aimed at members you don't agree with.

2. It was not an infraction.

So, uh, there's that. Not that you're alone in misrepresenting the truth - Tenacious wasn't temp-banned for "arguing with Scaff", as much as he'd like it to seem that way. Just in this thread he's tried to make up insults that I've apparently said, and when asked to back up this claim, has ignored it twice. This sort of behaviour is what the staff can take issue with - the suggestion that excitement about GT is not approved (or rather, that only criticism is acceptable) is ridiculous; take a look at any number of announcement threads as proof of that.

Now, people can either get back on the topic at hand without having to resort to personal insults (or making up ones targeting themselves, which is all sorts of bizarre), or actual infractions can start being handed out.

 

[machschnel]

half page long rant

You realize instead of writing a long rant you could just write the word "opinions" and be done with it (and save a boat load of time)?

As much as you like X about Gran Turismo, there's always going to be someone out there that prefers Y. That is in no way negative, just pure human nature.

Standards are a perfect example - They leave a bad taste in my mouth, while others want them included no matter the quality. Neither options are negative, in fact, both groups are only out to improve Gran Turismo, something I thought would be close to your heart.

 

[another_jakhole]

I was going for a more elaborate reply but I think the video that was posted says everything.

This?

Thank you

which is not the final version of GT6? Until then, reserve you're seemingly conclusive judgments, like the people who said that PD doesn't listen when it's been shown over the past 2.5 years that they do listen to OUR comments, negative and positive?, like the people who said PD wouldn't keep up with the updates and when PD did that, those people said they weren't substantial enough and didn't add anything to the game besides fixes and things that "should have" been there from the start and saying it whilst stating it that it was PD's obligation to do ANY of those minor and greater "fixes" as a thought stated in the form of a fact.

There are some people who've shown that they shouldn't always be commenting on the problems GT has had in the past like it's a crime and instead, started expressing their thoughts on how it can be fixed or should be without sounding like they have pure hatred for everything that GT has become. Let's not forget those who thought the seemingly most simplest things were...simple to change, but were in fact, a huge headache to do anything with/to/about and some other words. Stating opinions on why GT5 wasn't up to par or even stating the facts on why GT5 couldn't have been up to par as the previous GT's sounds like being a fanboy to them. So, we're all wrong here. We're not all the same, but a common-ground seems very easy from the "fanboy's" point-of-view, while this doesn't change for some of the others'.

So again, we're all wrong until we're this utopian fanboy Planet. /s

You realize instead of writing a long rant you could just write the word "opinions" and be done with it (and save a boat load of time)?

As much as you like X about Gran Turismo, there's always going to be someone out there that prefers Y. That is in no way negative, just pure human nature.

Standards are a perfect example - They leave a bad taste in my mouth, while others want them included no matter the quality. Neither options are negative, in fact, both groups are only out to improve Gran Turismo, something I thought would be close to your heart.

Hmmmmm, Enthusia had proper physics but looked like it was all a nighmare of what GT5's Standard contents looked like - you know, before all the updates.

Oh, but this is a new age where everything promised and believed to be true is possible. Wasn't the standard of racing games back then to not have cockpit views and have worse visuals than current gen? You say PD shouldn't have the LoD that SOME of the cars and SOME of the tracks have to have included more content? We say, screw it, leave it in there! Even though I - a self-professed GT5 fanboy - tries his best to not use any of the Standards, unless they're open-wheeled vehicles that inevitably will have more detail put in them than most other Standard cars.

There are a ton of things wrong with GT5, but it's just too easy to pick one thing out of a bunch when playing the, "There's no excuse for this", card. You can use that "card" when talking about how some of the tracks that have weather change don't have it for their reversed layout!!!!! (which I've voiced on many occasions, yet I hardly hear it from others)

The Standard tracks and cars problem is just too easy to use.


I might have left something out...

Edit -
Here's this: I completely felt let down when I found out that there wasn't a Premium Spyker in GT5. I love the Course Maker though...with the Karting layouts, weather locations, locations that had time change and weather, Karting layouts that had time change...then the gravel location and tarmac location(s). Seriously, a livery editor is better than the Course Maker that we got in GT5? Well, we all have different tastes.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Yes, arguing with Scaff over the point that SONY wasn't rich because they had been losing large sums of money - around $1 BILLION a year - for years. Well, lo and behold, the BBC states that they could finally report a profit for the first time in five years as of April when they completed their fiscal year statement. And it took them selling off some pricey assets to do so, like their New York HQ, so without that, they may still be in the red. So what else is new at GT Planet.

Trust me, I can relate.

Well, let's be honest now. What gripe posts are "long" on substance? They usually follow this basic format:

GT5 sucks as a game. Ergo

• GT6 will too
• Polyphony has lost the ability to make a good game because the sounds are all horrible, the Standard cars and tracks are shoddy, the bots are braindead, etc
• Kazunori doesn't have a clue what he's doing anymore and should be fired
• Make up random sh... stuff to emphasize your point

Just the matter of GT5 sucking is based on an opinion, which is often driven purely by emotion, and certainly isn't something that can be agreed on by a large number of people as we have here. It seems that as many people love as hate GT5 from the posts that pop up from day to day. And this is in spite of certain factors which are factually true, such as the poorly implemented paint chip system, the weak online build, the damage system which is barely there at all, the paltry number of race moddable cars and the preset liveries which offer all of ONE paintable area to make your car unique in some small way, the weak engine sounds, among many other factors. These are discreet matters of "suckage," and yet there is a hotly debated divide among the members over whether these affect the quality of the overall game. There is no overall consensus on this, just opposite sides taking potshots at each other and insisting the other is guilty of bias.

It appears you are allowing the trolls and and indiscriminant venting to obscure your objectivity.

I believe you err completely in your assumption of those that hate GT5.
Many who criticize the game do so because like you, they care about the GT series,
and like you they react from that care, just in the opposite emotional direction.

The very fact that people insist that GT6 will suck because GT5 is bad, is based purely on emotion driven prejudgment,

Not necessarily, however that would be something I would think you could identify with.

Yeah, I choose to be optimistic, because unlike many here, I see Kaz and Team Polyphony as a bunch that listen to us, that care about Gran Turismo, because they pour their hearts and souls into this game and want us to feel as involved emotionally with it. We asked for things, and many times, they gave us those things. Or have you already forgotten that you can swap the last gen rims on Standard cars with HD ones, which was a loudly requested change?

Unfortunately, we differ quite a bit on something here.
While it's commendable they made the change on the rims, for many of us it was an exercise in too little too late.
The original game was so deficient in so many areas that would never make up for it.
BTW, how many months after release was that instituted, and how much rim selection was available.

Optimism is an emotional reaction as much as anger is, but it's a lot more fun, I assure you. And my optimism isn't groundless.

No dought.
Just for the record, I never said your stance is groundless.
I said it was IMO, short on substance, not void of any.

I can't help but find it somewhat odd, that for someone who relates primarily from emotion,
you seem unable to comprehend and understand when others do the same, just because it's from the polarizing side.

 

[another_jakhole]

I can't help but find it somewhat odd, that for someone who relates primarily from emotion,
you seem unable to comprehend and understand when others do the same, just because it's from the polarizing side.

Personally, I do it by cursing PD and all of the GT community at the comfort of my own play station.

 

[machschnel]

which is not the final version of GT6? Until then, reserve you're seemingly conclusive judgments

Excuse me?

The GT6 demo is out. What is wrong with making a "conclusive" judgment on it? If Polyphony don't want something to be judged, maybe don't put it into the public's hands?

 

[MadmuppGT]

I dont mind Standard cars, some of my favourites are standard. what I cant forgive are the 5 duplicates of cars, with slight variations on spec (sometimes just a sticker) and the standard cars that have a premium version.

I think these should be removed or whittled down so we have a healthy selection

 

[Tenacious D]

It appears you are allowing the trolls and and indiscriminant venting to obscure your objectivity.

I believe you err completely in your assumption of those that hate GT5.
Many who criticize the game do so because like you, they care about the GT series, and like you they react from that care, just in the opposite emotional direction.

...I can't help but find it somewhat odd, that for someone who relates primarily from emotion, you seem unable to comprehend and understand when others do the same, just because it's from the polarizing side.

No on both counts. On the first paragraph, I've been one of those complainers. Early on when I was grousing about the XP system and paint chips among other things, Devedander came across my posts and accused me of pretending to be grumpy just to appear balanced. WHO would enjoy being locked out of car purchases because of a stupid level system?? Races too! I've said many times that there are definitely things to criticize about GT5.

What I take issue with are those for which GT5 has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. What's more, they exaggerate drastically to make their points seem more dire. You have to know about "all the cars sound like sewing machines," "the bots in every racing game made over the past 15 years are better than GT5's bots which haven't changed a bit since GT1" or whatever. These arguments come up periodically, and aren't any more true than GT5 being perfect, which I've seen only one, maybe two people say here over the past two years. And it seems you're rather in that camp yourself, minus the exaggeration part. Well, okay, some people think GT5 is completely bad. A good number of us here don't share that view, in fact some of us really dig the heck out of GT5 in spite of the glaring flaws. It's like a raw quartz crystal to me. Chipped, cracked, embedded in rough stone, even broken here and there. But still beautiful, even though it's not a well cut, polished diamond.

Unfortunately, we differ quite a bit on something here. While it's commendable they made the change on the rims, for many of us it was an exercise in too little too late. The original game was so deficient in so many areas that would never make up for it. BTW, how many months after release was that instituted, and how much rim selection was available.

I'm not sure, but I recall that for every improvement, such as the changeable rims, the black framed interiors on Standards and whatnot, there was quite the block party here. But again, I would point out that the bold part and the sentence before it too, are based on emotional reactions. And this is the impasse between our two sides. One side likes GT5 and sees hope for a very good GT6. The other is dour and grumpy about the prospects, or at least doubtful, and sometimes is as harpy at us as the trolls, as if any happy dance over the game rubs them raw. This is what I don't get, how some people insist on dumping cold water on everything positive.

I can't help but find it somewhat odd, that for someone who relates primarily from emotion, you seem unable to comprehend and understand when others do the same, just because it's from the polarizing side.

No again. I'm confronted by a few dozen posters here or more who insist that those of us who like GT5 and still like Kaz and the team are emotional airheads, while they are reacting quite emotionally but refuse to acknowledge it.

Maybe a few more words will illuminate my perspective a bit more.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Excuse me?

The GT6 demo is out. What is wrong with making a "conclusive" judgment on it? If Polyphony don't want something to be judged, maybe don't put it into the public's hands?

Draw all the conclusions you want...about the GTA demo, not the game. You haven't seen the game, no one has, in case you don't know, it's not yet released.

 

[machschnel]

Draw all the conclusions you want...about the GTA demo, not the game. You haven't seen the game, no one has, in case you don't know, it's not yet released.

I think you will find in the great majority of cases people are actually making comments on the demo. The problem arises when others come in with comments like "wait till the final game!" or the always amusing "it's just a placeholder!".

 

[Samus]

Exactly. Seemingly it's impossible to critique the demo in any manner because someone will turn up and tell you it's only a demo, it's not final etc. We know that, doesn't mean we shouldn't critique what we're given and the above excuses being rolled out are pretty tiresome.

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

All I see is whiners, PD has supported this game more than any other dev has supported a non P2P game... grow up guys..

 

[Tornado]

All I see is whiners, PD has supported this game more than any other dev has supported a non P2P game... grow up guys..

Cool beans, yo. What's that have to do with Standard cars?

 

[IROC89CAMARO]

All I see is whiners, PD has supported this game more than any other dev has supported a non P2P game... grow up guys..

You see it's this attitude that makes what could have been just a good game, a great game. It's like saying she's pretty but deep down you know you don't have enough beer to back up that claim. It's like having sex with a porn star and knowing damn well She's your sister.