Stock car race comparison/challenge

[route_66]

i can provide replays, too, if you want/need proof before posting.

Don't worry. HiSpeed requested I check your races out and I could win them all in a few tries. Kudos to you for Motegi, that's a ******. Couldn't do that one so I went to Trial Mountain where I'm faster and won there. What opponents did you race against for 200pts? I only managed 182 against a 350Z and a Speedster Turbo?

EDIT:\ welcome to the 200 Club. Preempting HiSpeed a bit but I'm sure he'll put you in when he tries the races for himself.

 

[hispeed]

i can provide replays, too, if you want/need proof before posting.

hehe. Posting your results as we speak. I always test out the races myself or get a second opinion when the races seems very hard to do.
You're in the club! Congrats

EDIT: Just did the BMW 2002 myself, for 190p

 

[jdw]

A challenge I forgot to mention...

When working on NA I came across two cars (stock of course!) that seemed like they would work, given the right driver and right lineup.

1) The NSX-R Concept. I know this can win and I can probably win it. The problem is finding a 200p lineup. I had one around 180.
2) The Toyot RSC!!! I'm not kidding. I was testing a bunch of cars on Infineon and I know I could win with this thing with the right lineup. Besides, it's just too funny racing against a bunch of sports cars in this thing

Me, I wimped out with a modded Clio which made mincemeat of the competition.

 

[route_66]

Beat Sarthe In Dream Car champ with the Merc 190! wooooo. Drafted the GT LM Spec II down the straight and only came up 4 seconds short at the end, which I could make up through the twisty bits.

AMG Mercedes 190 Evo-II Touring Car 92 - 376hp/980kg/2.6kg/hp - 200pts

Also:

La Festa Italiano - Thought I was going to struggle when this fiat tried to get up the hill at the start of Monaco but it did me proud! It beat 4 much bigger Alfas and a Lancia Delta (alright, the Lancia started fifth and stayed there)

Monaco, Autumn Ring
Fiat Barchetta Giovane Due/136hp/1090kg/7.99kg/hp - 200pts

And finally
Pan Euro Championship, All tracks.
Stock BMW M3 CSL/ 360hp/1385kg/3.84kg/hp - 200pts

This was against a Mclaren Merc SLR (which also started 5th and stayed there!) , Another M3, A TVR Tuscan, an Esprit and an Aston Vantage. Blew 'em away.

 

[hispeed]

That 190 EVO is a beauty to drive, nice revs.

Gonna try and find som nice races for my Nissan Silvia 240RS '83, love the sound of that engine.

I'll get the national races up soon.

 

[Duck]

Manifacturer races - Citroen 2CV - Opera B.
Citroen 2CV / stock N3 / 75pt

Manifacturer races - Citroen 2CV - Montecarlo (Cote de Azure)
Citroen 2CV / stock N1 +115kg / 112pt

Manifacturer races - Citroen 2CV - Autumn ring mini
Citroen 2CV / stock N2 / 85pt

Manifacturer races - Citroen 2CV - Deep forest B.
Citroen 2CV / stock N1 +200kg / 122pt

Manifacturer races - Citroen 2CV - Tsukuba
Citroen 2CV / stock S3 / 55pt

Manifacturer races - Subaru 360 - Tsukuba
Subaru 360 / stock N2 +100kg / 103pt

Family cup - Trial mt. B
VW Beetle 1100 / stock N1 +200kg / 144pt

B=reversed (in italian translation)

Family cup - Tsukuba wet
Honda Life Step Van '72 / stock N3 +200kg / 149pt

 

[route_66]

Family cup - Tsukuba wet
Honda Life Step Van '72 / stock N3 +200kg / 149pt

Are we allowed N tires and Ballast? I thought it was stock as in fresh from the dealer.........i.e S1/S2's and no Ballast on road cars and R1-R3's and no ballast on race cars. Is this not the case? Also what about race car settings? Can we fiddle with the suspension, gears and downforce on cars that come with such addition already (race cars)? Ballast, tires and downforce make a vast difference to A-spec points and 200pts is much easier to get if you can fiddle things around. I'm not having a go or anything, just curious.

 

[jdw]

Are we allowed N tires and Ballast? I thought it was stock as in fresh from the dealer.........i.e S1/S2's and no Ballast on road cars and R1-R3's and no ballast on race cars. Is this not the case? Also what about race car settings? Can we fiddle with the suspension, gears and downforce on cars that come with such addition already (race cars)? Ballast, tires and downforce make a vast difference to A-spec points and 200pts is much easier to get if you can fiddle things around. I'm not having a go or anything, just curious.

Ahem, if you're taking opinions... I like the idea of straight stock, no fiddling. Helps get others involved too because they have the ability to repeat these results without too much fuss. Drive it off the lot and straight into the race!

But it's your list, your call.

 

[hispeed]

The rules should be clear. You can post any result you got, but it will only make the list if the car is stock. No ballast is allowed because I don't want to complicate things.
When viewing the list, you'll have a reference to what we know is possible to do, if a car makes 196 A-spec points, you'll know that by adding some ballast, or putting on N-tires you'll make 200.
This list is ment to be the reference, therefore the rulez.

As for tires you can use the stock tires or harder tires (of the same class), that wil be S tires for all cars but Race cars.

If you get i.e 146p stock, and 189p with N2 tires, feel free to post both results, and It would be most welcome if you post the line-up of other cars as well.

It will also help if you win a race with a used car with no oil change, that you state that there's been no oil change.

The most accurate HP is found at the "valuation" option in the garage (where you can sell your car). This is the desireable entry.

And for some cars being race cars, and able to alter suspension, gear ratios, downforce etc. that is allowed, but only if you post the settings.

 

[Nate14Gt]

I beat the entire Shelby manfactorers race in a stock Shelby Series 1. Didn't change anything or give it an oil change. 200pts a race.

I usually go for slightly tuned cars that are underpowered which traslates into 125-200 pt races. But since they aren't stock I can't submit them, plus i can't remember half the races I've done, stock or not. The Shelby series is the only one that comes to mind right now.

I know I've tested the RX-7 bathhurst edition in family cup and easily won at difficulty 10, which was 189 pts. Now I'm trying to take a fully tuned bathurst against LMP cars(obviously going to be 200pt races). It's a hard, but fun challenge.

 

[route_66]

The rules should be clear. You can post any result you got, but it will only make the list if the car is stock. No ballast is allowed because I don't want to complicate things.
When viewing the list, you'll have a reference to what we know is possible to do, if a car makes 196 A-spec points, you'll know that by adding some ballast, or putting on N-tires you'll make 200.
This list is ment to be the reference, therefore the rulez.

As for tires you can use the stock tires or harder tires (of the same class), that wil be S tires for all cars but Race cars.

If you get i.e 146p stock, and 189p with N2 tires, feel free to post both results, and It would be most welcome if you post the line-up of other cars as well.

It will also help if you win a race with a used car with no oil change, that you state that there's been no oil change.

The most accurate HP is found at the "valuation" option in the garage (where you can sell your car). This is the desireable entry.

And for some cars being race cars, and able to alter suspension, gear ratios, downforce etc. that is allowed, but only if you post the settings.

That's what I thought. Thanks for clearing it up though, it's much less hassle just testing cars in races without doing anything to them, rather than spending ages fiddling with them for the few extra points. That's what the 200pt thread was for.
Sorted then. Everythings cool and groovy and I'll post up a few more when I find them.

 

[hispeed]

The Stock Nissan Silvia RS240 '83 gives good points in the NA races/beginners hall (El Capitan). To tired to have another go, but was offered 190 a-specs on my first try, and finished 1s behind nr.1

 

[jdw]

The Stock Nissan Silvia RS240 '83 gives good points in the NA races/beginners hall (El Capitan). To tired to have another go, but was offered 190 a-specs on my first try, and finished 1s behind nr.1

You missed my challenge?

Toyota RSC at NA!

Now how would that be?

 

[Moloch_horridus]

Great thread - I will be visiting here a lot, hopefully with some additions to the list 👍

 

[badcatnobiscuit]

Heh, here's a challenge.
Enter the Opel Speedster cup with a stock Opel Speedster/Turbo.
Easy 200 points
Hard race.

 

[route_66]

Heh, here's a challenge.
Enter the Opel Speedster cup with a stock Opel Speedster/Turbo.
Easy 200 points
Hard race.

Stock? Don't be daft. you'll get toasted, the AI has 350-400hp and max weight reduction. All of them.

Dodge Ram vs Polyphony Digital Cup. This is so far the ONLY car that can be competitive and get 200pts in such a mixed field and even then it needs the right field to win. NO Ford GT's! NO M3's! No SL55!

 

[mbavaria30s]

What opponents did you race against for 200pts? I only managed 182 against a 350Z and a Speedster Turbo?

i don't have the replay, so maybe i misremembered. i haven't been able to get that high stock either since you mentioned it. OOPS! strike that one, i'll be sure to double check before i post again.

 

[mbavaria30s]

i have a challenge. I know it's possible, at least with the line up i have here.
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac, oil change @ Race of Turbo Sports :: High Speed Ring

Line-up
1 Mitsu Eclipse gt '95
2 Nissan 300zx z32 '98
3 Lotus Esprit Turbo HC '87
4 Lancia DELTA HF Integrale Evoluzione '91
5 Buick GNX '87

Of course, it requires deft blocking of the lotus in the straights, but you can, if you launch properly, get 1st coming out of the third turn (the s).

DID IT#@%#$^ saldjf finally. that took an hour and a half of my life. D: 200 points.

 

[Mr.Slow]

American Races: Stars and Stripes Race 1 - Laguna Seca
Car: Plymouth Superbird 70 / FR / / / 103 A-Spec

American Races: Stars and Stripes Race 2 - Seattle
Car: Plymouth Superbird 70 / FR / / /99 A-Spec

American Races: Stars and Stripes Race 3 - Infineon
Car: Chevrolet Chevelle SS454 '70 / FR / / /133 A-Spec

 

[TurboJ]

200 A-Spec points for doing the El Capitan Endurance race with a stock '04 BMW M3.
No oil change, just racing tyres for that victory. A VERY challenging one against the Dodge Viper SRT-10, GTS and Shelby Series One.

 

[daan]

200 A-Spec points for doing the El Capitan Endurance race with a stock '04 BMW M3.
No oil change, just racing tyres for that victory. A VERY challenging one against the Dodge Viper SRT-10, GTS and Shelby Series One.

Spookily, I've just done that race. If you want it easier, but still getting 200 points, try a stock Suzuki GSX/R. 200 points* and it was so easy.

The opposition was a Spirra, Cerbera, Corvette GS, T350C and a Vantage.


* I didn't actually get any points as I let my B-spec driver drive the 2nd half of the race. I got a lead of over a lap by the time I finished, and he kept that.

 

[hispeed]

* I didn't actually get any points as I let my B-spec driver drive the 2nd half of the race. I got a lead of over a lap by the time I finished, and he kept that.

As long as you have a solid lead in the endurances it's ok to B-spec some or all of the remaining laps. List is updated with all entries except some manufacturers races and some where N tires and/or ballast was used.


I'd like some opinions on if it should be allowed to use R1 tires on any car for the endurance races. I'm raising this question because it's possible to win a few of the endurances with stock sports cars, but I guess only with R1 tires.

 

[route_66]

As long as you have a solid lead in the endurances it's ok to B-spec some or all of the remaining laps. List is updated with all entries except some manufacturers races and some where N tires and/or ballast was used.


I'd like some opinions on if it should be allowed to use R1 tires on any car for the endurance races. I'm raising this question because it's possible to win a few of the endurances with stock sports cars, but I guess only with R1 tires.

I'd say no to R1 tires, except on race cars. Road cars wouldn't be road cars anymore if they have racing slicks (IRL Slicks = illegal), and I don't think there are any enduros against road cars that can't be won without them. I think you could make a better case for allowing N2/N3 tires at least on road cars, it's closer to RL stock and makes the races harder (though the A-spec points will go up, and they go down with R1's)
R tires For Race Cars if you ask me. It's your thread though, so it's your rules too!

 

[hispeed]

I'd say no to R1 tires, except on race cars. Road cars wouldn't be road cars anymore if they have racing slicks (IRL Slicks = illegal), and I don't think there are any enduros against road cars that can't be won without them. I think you could make a better case for allowing N2/N3 tires at least on road cars, it's closer to RL stock and makes the races harder (though the A-spec points will go up, and they go down with R1's)
R tires For Race Cars if you ask me. It's your thread though, so it's your rules too!

My thoughts also. Then the rules stand unchanged. No R1 on road cars whatsoever.
As I've said before, I don't want to complicate things by bringing N-tires and ballast into play, but you can post your stock and your (N + ballast ) points in the thread for others to see; only the stock car following the rules stated in #1 will make the list though.

 

[daan]

I've just done the Professional NA champs in my GSX/R

Infineon - 200
Apricot Hill - 188
Twin Ring Motegi - 182
Special Stage 5 - 196
Trial Mountain - 200

I won all races easily.

 

[jdw]

My thoughts also. Then the rules stand unchanged. No R1 on road cars whatsoever.
As I've said before, I don't want to complicate things by bringing N-tires and ballast into play, but you can post your stock and your (N + ballast ) points in the thread for others to see; only the stock car following the rules stated in #1 will make the list though.

Mmmmm.... I'm afraid of opening a can of worms but a thought just came to mind.

IIRC, and please someone dbl-check me, Laguna is using road cars with racing tires? If that's true, perhaps it's worthwhile to consider making it an exception.

Of course, what I mean by can of worms is that... if that's allowed then it almost seems like a natural extension to allow the user to match but NOT exceed what the computer uses. That would cover, the 206, the Beetle, the Speedster (although you'll still lose ). But it may ALSO open the way to things like Festa Italia where the compuer is using S3s!!! So, it's a question...

For those who aren't aware, you can figure out what the computer's using in the PREVIEW.

What do you guys think?

 

[jdw]

Damn, almost forgot.

I finally have a new stock entry.

BWM 120d vs. S3,TT3.2,Z4,M Coupe and 330i at Liga A for 200p across the board. And it really wasn't that hard. Autumn Ring was the toughest.

 

[route_66]

Mmmmm.... I'm afraid of opening a can of worms but a thought just came to mind.

IIRC, and please someone dbl-check me, Laguna is using road cars with racing tires? If that's true, perhaps it's worthwhile to consider making it an exception.

Of course, what I mean by can of worms is that... if that's allowed then it almost seems like a natural extension to allow the user to match but NOT exceed what the computer uses. That would cover, the 206, the Beetle, the Speedster (although you'll still lose ). But it may ALSO open the way to things like Festa Italia where the compuer is using S3s!!! So, it's a question...

For those who aren't aware, you can figure out what the computer's using in the PREVIEW.

What do you guys think?

I'd say no, it doesn't seem like that's what this threads about, the 200pts thread handles that, with all the ballast and tires and stuff. This thread is (IMHO) a different thing, it's about competitve stock cars and I'd say it should stay that way. Using stock cars to beat whatever the cheating AI throws at us! Italian road cars don't come with S3 tires, so stick it to the cheating AI and show the game you can trash it without them!

 

[hispeed]

I understand jdw's thoughts, but I have to agree with route_66. This thread is about what stock cars can compete against, and win.
But; and here's the deal; If a race isn't winnable with a stock car, you can post what you had to do (tune) to win it.
For these postings it has to be concurrance about the race not being possible to win stock (i.e. Speedster cup ++).

In the list, I will first state that the race is not possible to win stock, then entries with nescessary upgrades.

 

[Nate14Gt]

Ok, I have 188pt and 191pt race wins to report. Could easily do 200pt races if I didn't do an oil change before. I won the first 5 races in GT-all stars with an R390 road car. It had every upgrade except only a stage 3 turbo and hard racing tires. I was up against an R92CP, R8, XJ-R9, Mclaren F1 and Ford GT LM spec 2. The first 3 races were 188, the next 2 were 191. I dropped out of the series because I wanted to do a few laps for a comp on another board. I might do GT world championship in this car sometime in the future.

I also ran a stock Spyker C8 with medium racing tires in the first race of All-Japan GT Championship. Only 156pts, or was it 165, but it was alot of fun. I got the lead by lap 3, but the Motul Pitworks Z got into 2nd and put a ton of pressure on me.