Stock car race comparison/challenge

[hispeed]

Ok, I have 188pt and 191pt race wins to report. Could easily do 200pt races if I didn't do an oil change before. I won the first 5 races in GT-all stars with an R390 road car. It had every upgrade except only a stage 3 turbo and hard racing tires. I was up against an R92CP, R8, XJ-R9, Mclaren F1 and Ford GT LM spec 2. The first 3 races were 188, the next 2 were 191. I dropped out of the series because I wanted to do a few laps for a comp on another board. I might do GT world championship in this car sometime in the future.

I also ran a stock Spyker C8 with medium racing tires in the first race of All-Japan GT Championship. Only 156pts, or was it 165, but it was alot of fun. I got the lead by lap 3, but the Motul Pitworks Z got into 2nd and put a ton of pressure on me.

Ok? This thread is about stock cars. You say you have every upgrade, except st3 turbo?? It's not stock then.
For the second entry, the Spyker isn't a race car, so R-tires are not allowed.

 

[route_66]

Ok, I have 188pt and 191pt race wins to report. Could easily do 200pt races if I didn't do an oil change before. I won the first 5 races in GT-all stars with an R390 road car. It had every upgrade except only a stage 3 turbo and hard racing tires. I was up against an R92CP, R8, XJ-R9, Mclaren F1 and Ford GT LM spec 2. The first 3 races were 188, the next 2 were 191. I dropped out of the series because I wanted to do a few laps for a comp on another board. I might do GT world championship in this car sometime in the future.

I also ran a stock Spyker C8 with medium racing tires in the first race of All-Japan GT Championship. Only 156pts, or was it 165, but it was alot of fun. I got the lead by lap 3, but the Motul Pitworks Z got into 2nd and put a ton of pressure on me.

Your first set of races would be welcome in the 200pts A-spec thread, I don't think we've got a car that gets 200pts for GT-Allstars yet so post it there and people will be interested (Also if you've got any other non-stock very high/200pt races then they can go there too). As Hispeed says this is for Stock cars, as in "straight out the dealer," no mods, no turbo kits, no racing tires on road cars, no nothing.

 

[route_66]

Forgot, I've got a new one - Corvette Convertible '54 in 'Vette manufacturer race - 200pts at El Capitan and Infineon. Can't get the others without transmission upgrades, with only 2(!) gears it maxes out at 102mph and gets skinned on the straights.

 

[jdw]

And finally
Pan Euro Championship, All tracks.
Stock BMW M3 CSL/ 360hp/1385kg/3.84kg/hp - 200pts

This was against a Mclaren Merc SLR (which also started 5th and stayed there!) , Another M3, A TVR Tuscan, an Esprit and an Aston Vantage. Blew 'em away.

Just finished Pan Euro and I have it's brother to add.
Stock BMW M3 GTR/380hp/1350kg/3.55kg/hp -200p

vs. Merc SL 65, TVR T350C, Cizetta, Audi RS 6 and... that McLaren.
Paris, GV and Cote were easy... Cote I blew away the field by over 16s with the Cizetta in the pole and he was at least 5s on the #3 car.

I don't know about your McLaren but mine wouldn't sit still once it came to Sarthe and the Ring. I managed to slip by him at the first kink and play blocker the rest of the race which was very touch and go. The Ring was a lot of work...



Ya know... I TRIED to be different, but it didn't work. It would be nice to have more than one car capable of achieving 200p. The Jag XKR was 200p but it didn't have the uumph... Even the 150-170 range didn't quite have it (the Esprit the Speed Six and the RUF BTR - which I just can't drive). Close. In the hands of a more capable driver sure.

But, it's really really hard to outdo the M3s for points to performance ratio.

There are just certain cars in the game that are "giant killers"... cars that perform well despite the point count against them (the M3s including the race car, the Imprezas, the Clio and the Elises comes to mind).

 

[jdw]

Britain is the opposite of France.

Unlike France where it's pretty much impossible to find a stock 200p car, the British GT was easy. Really easy.

Stock Aston Martin Vanquish /466hp/1835kg/3.94kg/hp -- 200p
vs. TVR T350C, Tamora, Cerbera Speed Six, Tuscan Speed 6 and Esprit 350

For a boat, it sure handles and brakes extremely well... not to mention acceleration.

Love that car. I want one!
Surely I have a 1/4 mil in loose change around here somehwere

In addition to the Vanquish I'm sure you could get 200p for the DB9 and, for those looking for more of a "challenge" I'd say ANY of the Esprits should do it.


Oh, and for fun...

Stock Lancia Statos 189hp/980kg/5.2 for 144p at Festa
vs. Alfa 147 GTA, Lancia, Fiat Turbo+, Alfa Spider and Alfa GTV

 

[hispeed]

Been away for 2 days, ll'be updating the list tomorrow.

 

[route_66]

Britain is the opposite of France.

Unlike France where it's pretty much impossible to find a stock 200p car, the British GT was easy. Really easy.

Stock Aston Martin Vanquish /466hp/1835kg/3.94kg/hp -- 200p
vs. TVR T350C, Tamora, Cerbera Speed Six, Tuscan Speed 6 and Esprit 350

For a boat, it sure handles and brakes extremely well... not to mention acceleration.

Love that car. I want one!
Surely I have a 1/4 mil in loose change around here somehwere

In addition to the Vanquish I'm sure you could get 200p for the DB9 and, for those looking for more of a "challenge" I'd say ANY of the Esprits should do it.


Oh, and for fun...

Stock Lancia Statos 189hp/980kg/5.2 for 144p at Festa
vs. Alfa 147 GTA, Lancia, Fiat Turbo+, Alfa Spider and Alfa GTV

Nice. The Astons are great cars, but I used the Jag S-type R - 200pts (someone suggested it in the 200pts thread). For what looks like a fat, pug-faced saloon the acceleration that thing gets in the mid-range is awesome. Great car. The Esprits I found too easy to win with (especially the 350 sport). Massive top speed made it a piece of cake. Funny, I always thought Esprits were a bit old and buslike.

 

[Uncle Harry]

The Mini races are winnable in a stock Mini Cooper S.
Not many points on offer. I got 8 minimum and 11 maximum.
The races that have a Mini Copper S starting from first is tough at Tokyo (win by 0.067 seconds) and impossible at New York. 2nd and 4 seconds behind. By the time I got to second the lead Mini Copper S was 4.5 seconds away and I could only make 0.5 seconds on him. Re Run the race for 9 points with 2 Cooper S and a Cooper starting first and won by 2 seconds.

 

[jdw]

New entries:

Another DTM with the 190E (382hp)...
vs. Merc CLK, Opel Astra, Audi A4, Audi TT-R, Alfa Romeo 155.
for 149/191/191/169/169p

The only change was tires. I just could not manage Paris with anything less than R3s, yet when I did use them I killed 'em... so, I'm sure someone could do it with R2s.

Muscle Car:
'63 Vette 253hp/1370kg for 166p at Infineon and Seattle
vs. Buick Special (starting 4th), Super Bee, Le Mans GTO, Plymouth Cuda and Camaro Z28 302.

The Special can be contained at Infineon and Seattle, but it's tricky. He is slippery. At NY? Forget it. Not gonna happen.


NOTE: I've always used the garage HP. I can't say that that's the right one but, I can say the Preview is NOT. Try this... Take a new car (maybe it'll work on used too?), get it's HP reading from the garage, then note it's preview HP. Reset, now get an oil change, note the garage HP and then note it's preview HP. Guess what? The oil change didn't affect the preview HP!

 

[hispeed]

NOTE: I've always used the garage HP. I can't say that that's the right one but, I can say the Preview is NOT. Try this... Take a new car (maybe it'll work on used too?), get it's HP reading from the garage, then note it's preview HP. Reset, now get an oil change, note the garage HP and then note it's preview HP. Guess what? The oil change didn't affect the preview HP!

I always use the HP listed in the "valuation" page where You can sell your cars, the weight is there too. No proof, but I have a feeling this is the most accurate.

 

[hitman146]

try some of the muscle cars they have bad handling

 

[hispeed]

try some of the muscle cars they have bad handling

Ok? Could you be a little more specific? A special race in mind, or do you just want to go public with your discovery? BTW, the Buick Special '62 is very powerful and handles quite well.

 

[hispeed]

The Audi quattro '82 is nice for the 4WD races and some Schwartzwald A races. Nice classic Audi, nice revs.
Trying out the Audi TT 1.8T for the TT-series. About 90 A-spec, hard but think it's doable.

 

[daan]

Beginners hall: MR Challenge Race 1 - Driving Park Beginners course
Car: Lotus Elise Type 72 '01 / MR / 126HP / 756kg / 6.0 kg/HP / 155 A-spec*

Beginners hall: MR Challenge Race 2 - Autumn Ring
Car: Lotus Elise Type 72 '01 / MR / 126HP / 756kg / 6.0 kg/HP / 94 A-spec*

Beginners hall: MR Challenge Race 5 - El Capitan
Car: Lotus Elise Type 72 '01 / MR / 126HP / 756kg / 6.0 kg/HP / 158 A-spec*

I just did these in my Elise 72 before I noticed you had used the same car. I had 122bhp in garage/120 on race replay.

Driving Park - 144
Autumn Ring - 168
New York - 107
Fuji - 103
El Capitan - 119

There seems to be a big discrepancy in points considering we used the same car.

DP, Autumn & El Cap contained NSXs in the field. NY & Fuji are impossible to win against the NSX. I managed to get a field in which my main opposition was the Esprit HC. NY was OK, but I had to be more forceful than usual at Fuji.

 

[jdw]

I just did these in my Elise 72 before I noticed you had used the same car. I had 122bhp in garage/120 on race replay.

Driving Park - 144
Autumn Ring - 168
New York - 107
Fuji - 103
El Capitan - 119

There seems to be a big discrepancy in points considering we used the same car.

DP, Autumn & El Cap contained NSXs in the field. NY & Fuji are impossible to win against the NSX. I managed to get a field in which my main opposition was the Esprit HC. NY was OK, but I had to be more forceful than usual at Fuji.

Note: Points aren't tied to the track, they're tied to the lineup. You had 168p lineup whereas the best listed is 158p. So, you actually had the potential for more points. Even in individual races it's possible to LOCK the lineup. Actually, 90% of the time you can lock down an entire set of lineups. Go into a race and try a few lineups until you find one you like. Race it. If you win it, exit out to the main menu so it's saved... but don't do anything else! Reset the console and when you come back the same set of lineups will repeat itself (lineups are regardless of track as well).

There's also a bit of strategy involved. A common tactic is to make sure the best cars are buried (e.g. not in the pole), get to the head of the pack ASAP (while they're tires are still cold) and play blocker if you have to.

You're right. NY and F90s are basically impossible with the NSXes. Even the Esprit's an issue on those tracks. I went from getting a 199p on el Cap all the wan down to 99p because I had to add an NA2 and chip just to keep up! That one'll be a pain...

 

[hispeed]

Yes, I know. One lousy car in the setup, and A-Spec points drop way down even if the top car is unbeatable. The best lineups are those with en even field that's just winnable i.e. no top dogs and no born loosers.
So the line-up is responsible for the discrepancy of points. My few more HP must be due to oil-change (I use the "valuation screen" HP).

 

[hispeed]

Played a little with the Nissan 300ZX 2seater '98 (used car) at the beginners hall FR races. Nice car.

 

[suzq044]

i dunno what track, but the TVR speed 12 is pretty nice.. (even if mine has 1070+hp w/1 mod.)

 

[jdw]

New Entries from American Events:

Already mentioned using the '63 Vette in Muscle Car.

Stars & Stripes
Used Buick GN-X 1600kg/280hp/5.7 kg/hp - 200p for all
vs. Shelby Series 1 (3rd), Viper GTS (5th), Pontiac GTO 5.7, SVT Cobra and the Camaro SS.

The Mustang '05 could do it... but you need the right lineup or resort to S1s.

May be easier though?

Hot Rod Comp
NY - Ford Lightning 2132kg/385hp/5.54 kg/hp - 200p
vs. Dodge SRT4, Pontiac GTO 5.7, SVT Cobra, Callaway C12 and a Lightning

Laguna and El Cap - Delorean 1288kg/200hp/6.44 kg/hp - 200p
vs. SVT Cobra, Callaway C12, Viper GTS, Shelby Series 1, Pontiac GTO 5.7

YES!!! I just had to use the Delorean... and it sure came through!

I tried damn hard for a stock win at the American Events... Found a 200 and 199p lineup for the Chapparal 2D to run against. Even with R2s I can beat all the cars... except one. That damn 2J. And yes, he has to be there for the points.

Those lineups were tough to get because it's basically the best lineup available (Ford GT LM, 2J, GT Spec II, Vette C54 and the Panoz), but couldn't do it. Even starting 4th that 2J could NOT be contained!

Going to stock cars I just couldn't find anything that could do it... sure as hell not with stock tires. GT40 is a maybe... for that lucky someone to try

Nothing else will do.


Oh well... off to Japan!

 

[ferrari_chris]

I've got another car/race to add to the list:

Beginners Hall - 4WD Challenge Race 2 - Autumn Ring Mini Reverse

Mitsubishi Galant 2.0 DOHC Turbo VR-4 '89/4WD/202HP/1340Kg/194 A-Spec Points

 

[hispeed]

So far, so good. We're filling in the gaps at a steady pace.

One question to you all: What seem to bee the problem races where you cant win with a stock car or get wery low points for a win?

Two races remain open in the beginners hall: Lightweight cup race 1 - Driving Park Motorland and race 2 - Tsukuba. What are your best stock points here, and please dont be embarrased to post low points, since I doubt you can get very high points here.

 

[route_66]

It's been enduro weekend here at chez 66,

Motegi 8hr. - Nissan 240RS (road version) - 197pts.
Tsukuba 9hr - Nissan 240RS (road version) - 200pts.
Infineon World Sports endurance - Nissan R390 GT1 -200pts

I'll have a crack at the K-cars later..........be a nice break from 500laps of Tsukuba. What tracks were they at again? Motorland.....and.....Tsukuba. Bugger.

EDIT: HiSpeed, just noticed you made your own list! Nice work.........although using the Dodge RAM....tut tut........take it to the PD cup and earn those points!

 

[hispeed]

LOL. I know the RAM is cheap, so I didn't add myself to the 200 list before I did the shelby cobra cup with the Shelby Series 1.

 

[deadboy1975]

I've got one for you

Manufacture races Spitfire races

stock trumiph spitfire gives 104 A-Spec in each race, with 200 ballast (not sure if you'll allow that), but without the oil change.

although route_66 says he got 150 something, I'm guessing he's got alot of miles on that car.

also stock Ginetta G4 in the professional historical cup gets a whole 6 A-spec points, my new mission is to get more points. must catch up with route_66 although he is about 70,000 a-spec in front of me.

 

[hispeed]

Ballast is not allowed if you want to make the list, but it's ok to post races done with and without ballast. The list is ment as a reference, then people can add ballast and/or N-tires to get even more A-Spec points.

 

[deadboy1975]

Ballast is not allowed if you want to make the list, but it's ok to post races done with and without ballast. The list is ment as a reference, then people can add ballast and/or N-tires to get even more A-Spec points.

thanks for the quick reply - in that case its about 50 - 54 from memory.

but the G4 still stands (as long as you're not racing the ac / buick or the xr-7

laters

 

[hispeed]

New one:

Professional hall: World Classic Car Race 2 - El Capitan
Car: Chevrolet Corvette Convertible '54 / FR / 149HP / 1310kg / 8.8kg/HP / 25 A-Spec points

The vette turns like on rails!

Line up: Corvette Coupe '63, Alfa spider 1600 duetto, Honda S800, Skyline sport coupe '62 and another vette convertible '54.
Important to avoid the buick special, the cobra 427 and the Mercury Cougar XR-7


The Lupo Cup Car is great for FF-races in beginners hall.

 

[hispeed]

New entry for FF challenge

Beginners hall: FF Challenge Race 2 - Suzuka
Car: VW Golf IV GTI '01 / FF / 134HP / 1280kg / 9.6Kg/HP / 176 A-spec*

195 pts when the Dodge SRT was in the line-up, but he was jus a tiny bit to fast in the corners, all other cars I raced against was POC

 

[Mr.Slow]

Two races remain open in the beginners hall: Lightweight cup race 1 - Driving Park Motorland and race 2 - Tsukuba. What are your best stock points here, and please dont be embarrased to post low points, since I doubt you can get very high points here.

Beginners hall: Lightweight Race 1 - Driving Park
Car: Autobianchi / FF/ 69HP / / / 34 A-Spec

Beginners hall: Lightweight Race 2 - Tsukuba
Car: Autobianchi / FF/ 69HP / / / 32 A-Spec


Beginners hall: Lightweight Race 2 - Tsukuba
Car: Autobianchi / FF/ 69HP / / / 20 A-Spec

See my "The little Autobianchi that could" thread in the write ups forum

 

[Bilgewater]

Nissan cube in the march brothers manufacturers race. Track was autumn ring mini. 200 a-spec points. Completely stock nissan cube without even an oil change.