Stock car race comparison/challenge

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I did Pan Euro Championship in a RUF RGT. Could've used the M3 CSL for 200 pts a piece, but I was looking for a different way to get high a-spec points in this series that wasn't already posted.

Opera Paris-Sports softs, 184pts
Grand Valley-Sports mediums, 194pts
La Sarthe 1-couldn't stay with the Motor Sport Elise on the straights, my only loss
Cote D'Azur-Sports softs, 184pts
Nurburgring-Sports mediums, 194pts

Due to rolling starts I need the softs on a few tracks, and that Motor Sport Elise just flew once it got the lead, but it was last on nurb since it was all over the track.

I also did some testing of road cars in Turbo Sports. Pts changed because of the different lineups I was against.

3000GT VR-4-Midfield-Sports mediums, 200pts.

Supra RZ-Tokyo-Sports mediums, 196pts
High Speed Ring-Sports mediums, 179pts

RX-7 bathrust edition-Fuji-Sports mediums, 194pts

Impreza 22B-New York-Sports mediums, 200pts
 
jdw
NOTE: I've always used the garage HP. I can't say that that's the right one but, I can say the Preview is NOT. Try this... Take a new car (maybe it'll work on used too?), get it's HP reading from the garage, then note it's preview HP. Reset, now get an oil change, note the garage HP and then note it's preview HP. Guess what? The oil change didn't affect the preview HP! :odd:
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it's been pretty exhaustively tested and proven what the HP values are in this thread here.

the only correct units(correct as in the unit selected in the OPTIONS menu) are in the buy/sell listing. most of the rest are ALWAYS PS, and the replay one is the hp when the car has reached full wear out (8500mi i think?) with clean oil. kind of an odd number.

just fyi, since the other thread has seemingly died.
 
mbavaria30s
it's been pretty exhaustively tested and proven what the HP values are in this thread here.

the only correct units(correct as in the unit selected in the OPTIONS menu) are in the buy/sell listing. most of the rest are ALWAYS PS, and the replay one is the hp when the car has reached full wear out (8500mi i think?) with clean oil. kind of an odd number.

just fyi, since the other thread has seemingly died.
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Thank's for filling in. As I've stated in the rules-section the preferrable HP admitted is the one listed where you can sell your car. I notice that this value changes from completely new -> oil change -> tuning -> mileage. The HP listed after a race is always the same "lower than you actually have" and could very well be the bottom possible HP if the motor is worn out after i.e. 8500 miles.
I always PM an admittant if I'm unsure of the HP or car submitted, so please don't just post: "Won the X race with a stock skyline 294HP for 175 A-Spec"
 
To Nate14Gt
3000GT VR-4-Midfield-Sports mediums, 200pts.
-> Was it the '95, '96 or '98 model?


Opera Paris-Sports softs, 184pts
Cote D'Azur-Sports softs, 184pts

These two didn't qualify due to S1 or S2 restrictions.
 
Time to bring this thread up for air with some new entries :sly:


Swiss Alps Fwd (Hard) - RS200 vs. Impreza RC for 200p
Swiss Alps Rev (Hard) - Impreza Spec C vs. Impreza RC for 149p
Yosemite Rally I (Hard) - Impreza Spec C vs. Impreza RC for 149p

NA Sports - Toyota RSC (w/S1s) for 200p
vs. 350Z, Camaro SS, Callaway, M3 CSL and Vette Z06 at Infineon, Trial and SS5

Japan Champ - Toyota RSC for 200p across the board
vs. NSX Type R (starting 5th), WRX STi '0-2, RX-7 Spirit R, Skyline Vspec 2, Legacy B4 Blitzen.

Japan 80s - Toyota MR2 G-Lim SC (w/S1s) for 200p all except Apricot (dropped S1s for 193p) vs. Silvia Ks, Sprinter Trueno, Honda City, Honda Civic and Skyline GTS-R

Japan 90s - MR2 Spyder '99 for 200p at Grand Valley, Motegi and SS5
vs. Infiniti G20, Integra Type R, Mazda 323F, Silvia Qs Aero and CR-X SiR '90
 
jdw
Time to bring this thread up for air with some new entries :sly:
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You're 'bsolutley right. Had a 5y old relative visiting, ADD-like personality, rips the PS2 to the floor -> Disc Read Error!! This was the 14th, 15th: sunday, 16th and 17th red days on the calendar, delivered PS2 for repair today and bought new one at shop with 30 day money back "if not satisfied" guarantee. I'm an addict!
Updates will commend tomorrow.
 
"European Hall: La Festa Italiano race 1 - Autumn Ring
Car: Fiat Barchetta Giovane Due/ 136HP / 1090kg / 7.99kg/HP / 200 A-spec By route_66"

Has anyone done this succesfully? If not, I'd like to raise the BS flag on this one. If so, then I salute your driving skills. You are supposed to use "un-modified" cars, correct? I never even got to play bumper tag with the 5th place AI, let alone win this race.

There goes more of my win ratio. :grumpy: I refuse to reset. :yuck:
 
Mojo Rising
"European Hall: La Festa Italiano race 1 - Autumn Ring
Car: Fiat Barchetta Giovane Due/ 136HP / 1090kg / 7.99kg/HP / 200 A-spec By route_66"

Has anyone done this succesfully? If not, I'd like to raise the BS flag on this one. If so, then I salute your driving skills. You are supposed to use "un-modified" cars, correct? I never even got to play bumper tag with the 5th place AI, let alone win this race.

There goes more of my win ratio. :grumpy: I refuse to reset. :yuck:
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I've done it. That's why I posted it. The fiat can beat everything short of the Stratos and Integrale and If they don't start first it can have them for dinner as well. I can't post my replays, but there are plenty of my status screens kicking around proving my A-spec total.

Drive nice and smooth and the little Fiat handles like a dream. Plus I find the AI to be completely useless at Autumn Ring and Monaco anyway (especially Monaco). What field are you trying to race it against? If the Lancia's get away First, there's no chance, but get a nice slow Alfa at the front and you'll be in with a shout. Also push it right to the limit of the track on the corners - Autumn rings corners were made to be clipped reeaaal close, bu the AI won't - you can make up loads of time especially through the 90 degree chicanes.
 
My hat is off to you, good sir. :bowdown:

Every time I try I get a field of alfas and they always cut corners, and I try not to. Oh well I guess I'll find another car to get my 200.
 
Hispeed ( and others rodeo drivers ) , i love you ( huh i love taht post i mean lol )

Hustling for a month to get higher A-spec points but i had no clue (car , settings ......) to reach 200 points

NOW I HAVE THE REFERENCE post , so i can chase A-spec points ..............thank you soooooooooooooooooooo much

That s THE thread :P


Rules: No tuning (stock car). Oil change allowed. No wallriding or shortcuts. 2 tires on the track at all times. S2 or S1 tires for any car, R3->R1 tires for race cars.

forgot to ask ... Nos or no Nos ...that is the question lol
 
NOS is a NO NO! If you want it stock that is. But If you're just A-spec point hunting, you'll get the same points with NOS, just an easier ride.

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#List has been updated.

#Anyone have a challenge or a stock race that seems hard but doable. Post it!

#There's room for all entries from 200 and downwards, not all drivers are able to do the hardest stock races, so if you got a 132 or 89, and It's not posted before, feel free to do so.

#In Many of the manufacturers races It's impossible to get high A-Specs, 60 points seem to be the "standard" when the cars are equal (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Dirty oil will get you more points. As will S1 tires.
 
hispeed
NOS is a NONO! If you want it stock that is. But If you're just A-spec point hunting, you'll get the same points with NOS, just an easier ride.

Edit

#List has been updated.

#Anyone have a challenge or a stock race that seems hard but doable. Post it!

#There's room for all entries from 200 and downwards, not all drivers are able to do the hardest stock races, so if you gat a 132 or 89, and It's not posted before, feel free to do so.

#In Many of the manufacturers races It's impossible to get high A-Specs, 60 points seem to be the "standard" when the cars are equal (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Dirty oil will get you more points. As will S1 tires.
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Ok thanks
With Nos i got all 5 Beginners 4wd 200 pts A-spec

I bought a mitsubishi 3000 GT SR (J) 95 -4wD- 203hp / 1610kg =7.91
No oil change

just had to restart for better line ups like in fuji Speedway (u can have 200pts with the dodge Ram 1500 too )

If Nos is a NONO..... :dopey:
 
hispeed
NOS is a NO NO! If you want it stock that is. But If you're just A-spec point hunting, you'll get the same points with NOS, just an easier ride.

Edit

#List has been updated.

#Anyone have a challenge or a stock race that seems hard but doable. Post it!

#There's room for all entries from 200 and downwards, not all drivers are able to do the hardest stock races, so if you got a 132 or 89, and It's not posted before, feel free to do so.

#In Many of the manufacturers races It's impossible to get high A-Specs, 60 points seem to be the "standard" when the cars are equal (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Dirty oil will get you more points. As will S1 tires.
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Indeed, for a one model field - 60pts is what you'll get with S2's. This applies only to the races where all the cars are the same and unmodded (Crossfire, Saleen, 2CV, Subaru 360, Audi A3). The Triumph race is a special case - the AI sometimes drives the prize version (even though it's the same car) which is lighter and so gives you more points.
 
route_66
Indeed, for a one model field - 60pts is what you'll get with S2's. This applies only to the races where all the cars are the same and unmodded (Crossfire, Saleen, 2CV, Subaru 360, Audi A3). The Triumph race is a special case - the AI sometimes drives the prize version (even though it's the same car) which is lighter and so gives you more points.
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which explains how you got more points than me in the race (spitfire). I'll re-run those races tonight

cheers
 
Yo Hispeed i have this for ya ( without nos :P )

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European Hall: British Lightweight Series race 1 - Autumn Ring
Car:Lotus Elise Type 72 ( 01') / MR / 122 HP / 756kg / 6.19kg/HP /
3 lineups 89-95-109 A-Spec points *best cp car* Lotus Elise Type 72

European Hall: British Lightweight Series race 2 - Apricot Hill
Car:Lotus Elise Type 72 ( 01') / MR / 122 HP / 756kg / 6.19kg/HP /
2 lineups 99-109 A-spec points *best cp car* Lotus Elise Type 72

European Hall: British Lightweight Series race 3 - Special Stage 5
Car:Lotus Elise Type 72 ( 01') / MR / 122 HP / 756kg / 6.19kg/HP /
3 lineups 98-99-105 A-spec points *best cp car* Ginetta G4

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As i had to 're win' Louts Europa Special , i went to these races ,and won it no problems
Ok i had to push 1 or 2 times , but PROMISE they started to hit me first :P
 
Wow i m becoming a legend , i see my performances on first post ( lol joke mode )

DEADBOY Thanks a lot man , this is gonna help me , appreciate a lot



Edit : THANK UUUUUUUUUU i made it , but still missing 0.8% , i must check manufasturers races . DEADBOY and Famine u saved my life i was 0.5 sec short now i can aprreciate Zonda before Black F1
👍
YEEEEEEEEEEEAH
 
Just want to ask JDW ,
*In Stars and Stripes* how do u beat the shelby supercharged with the (-sluggy-) Buick GNX... man i know u re better than me for sure , but this looks like a Graal s quest ....

I can t beat it , 9 to 14 seconds behind him always 2 nd....now i had my 200 points after 10 th new lineup WITHOUT the Shelby supercharged ( best car was a camaro i think ) gave me 200 points .

Did i ask and give the answer lol ?
 
Kimi-R
Just want to ask JDW ,
*In Stars and Stripes* how do u beat the shelby supercharged with the (-sluggy-) Buick GNX... man i know u re better than me for sure , but this looks like a Graal s quest ....

I can t beat it , 9 to 14 seconds behind him always 2 nd....now i had my 200 points after 10 th new lineup WITHOUT the Shelby supercharged ( best car was a camaro i think ) gave me 200 points .

Did i ask and give the answer lol ?
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same way you beat a Viper with A Lexus SC300. Practice! lol!

New one:
1000 miles all races - VW Karmann Ghia /44hp/ weight? errrr.......just let me check.....
200pts (really need to play with the line ups for this one!)

Edit: 870kg/19.74kg/hp
 
Kimi-R
Just want to ask JDW ,
*In Stars and Stripes* how do u beat the shelby supercharged with the (-sluggy-) Buick GNX... man i know u re better than me for sure , but this looks like a Graal s quest ....

I can t beat it , 9 to 14 seconds behind him always 2 nd....now i had my 200 points after 10 th new lineup WITHOUT the Shelby supercharged ( best car was a camaro i think ) gave me 200 points .

Did i ask and give the answer lol ?
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Where was the Shelby in the starting lineup? I ran against the following:
Series 1, Viper GTs, Camaro SS, GTO 5.7 and and SVT Cobra.

IIRC, the GTO was in the lead playing blocker, the Series 1 was 3rd and the Viper (who was MORE dangerous than the Series 1) was 5th. Infineon doesn't have any room so the GTO stayed in 1st which made it the easiest of the 3.

Lineup order can make all the difference depending on
a) the track, especially if it's narrow and twisty
b) whether it's a grid or rolling start. Rolling starts may be annoying but they can actually help because it tends to keep the most dangerous car behind for a longer period of time)

Getting to the lead and playing blocker is very important.

Other than that I did what route said... practice, practice, practice. I remember Laguna being very tough and I'm fairly decent at that track!

But HEY, if you have a 200p where the Camaro is the toughest it's MUCH easier :D

BTW: there's a trick to repeating the same lineup for all 3 tracks.
 
For Professional hall: World Compact Car, the VW Lupo Cup Car (S2 tires) seems to be a good choice. Any other suggestions?

Tried the VW Golf GTi '76 for 120-130p, didn't try to many line-ups, but it was to hard.
 
Can I join? :)

Japanese 80's Festival - El Capitan (3 laps)
Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex '83 (Stock, no oil change, running Sports Medium (S2?) tyres) / FR / 127HP / 940kg / 7.284kg/HP - 200 A-Spec points!

Opposition in finishing order 2nd - 6th places
Toyota Celica 2000GT-Four (ST165) '86,
Nissan Skyline HT 2000 Turbo RS '83,
Nissan Silvia K's (S13) '88,
Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex '83
Honda City Turbo II '83.
 
Welcome Smallhorses, you're in! Check the list.
Still many gaps to fill, and quite a few low point entries.
I'm currently racing world compact cars in professional hall, why don't you go for a try to?
 
hispeed
For Professional hall: World Compact Car, the VW Lupo Cup Car (S2 tires) seems to be a good choice. Any other suggestions?

Tried the VW Golf GTi '76 for 120-130p, didn't try to many line-ups, but it was to hard.
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Well... kind of., errr... maybe 💡

I found my 200p car but it wasn't stock. It was the Mitsubishi i. Didn't add the full tranny. That actually ruined this little no gear wunderkar. But I did have the rest of the dt/su ups and S3s. Added a chip for Motegi and GVE. And... yes... I turned the Aids off. I admit it!

Maybe against another lineup? Maybe it'll just work. Won HK by 5 secs and Motegi by 3 so...

Other than that, try the Marcos and the Spitfire. Should be able to get about 130 w/them. Another 130p car is the Peugeot 106 R which is probably better. And try ou the Mits Col which can get 170. I haven't really tried those cars myself but I'm sure one of 'em will work!
 
Special Conditions: Tsukuba Wet Race - Easy difficulty
Car: Mazda MX-Crossport '05 on S2 tyres/ 4WD/ 260HP / 1600kg / 6.16kg/HP / 200 A-spec!

Raced versus Nissan Skyline R34

Japanese Hall : Japanese 80's Festival - Tsukuba (5 Laps)
Car Toyota Corolla Levin GT-Apex '83 on S2 tyres/ FR / 127HP / 940kg / 7.284kg/HP / 190 A-spec points

Opponents in finishing order 2nd - 6th
Toyota Celica GT-R (ST183, 4WS) '91!!!! Not sure why he's in the 80's race!
Toyota Corolla Levin GT-Apex '83
Isuzu Piazza XE '81
Nissan Skyline HT 2000 Turbo RS '83
Mitsubishi Galant 2.0 DOHC Turbo VR-4 '89
 
2 races where I have a higher score than those listed on page 1 (using the same car)

RUF RGT
Boxer Spirit Race 2 - 112 points
Boxer Spirit Race 3 - 92 points.

IIRC I got these with S2 tyres and an oil change only.
 
Hot Rod Competition : Laguna Seca (3 Laps)
Car: Pontiac Solstice Coupe Concept '02/ FR / 243HP (on main garage screen, no value given in selling data page) / 1318kg / 5.419kg/HP / 176 A-spec points (ASM & TCS turned off)

Opponents in starting order 1st - 5th
Callaway C12 '03
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00
Dodge Viper GTS '99
Pontiac GTO 5.7 Coupe '04
Shelby Series 1 Super Charged '03
 
jdw suggested I also post my latest endeavor on this thread as well.
I recently completed the Suzuka Endurance with a Wedsport Celica for a 200 Aspec point win. I was stock horsepower, with minor suspension and differential tuning, and superhard racing tires. A partial writeup in my thread can be found HERE .

JParker
 
JParker, You say stock HP. Is that without oil then (295HP).
Oilchange is allowed, but I like to get it right in the list.

To all posters: please write actual HP and weight found in spec-sheet where you can sell your car.
 

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