Stock car race comparison/challenge

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Thanks for the encouragement, MCSqueegy.

I'll keep trying. I haven't gotten deep enough to encounter any of the competitors listed in your latest screenshot (other than the Pesky and AMG), but I'll keep trying. My console is dying and has now choked twice while loading this race...

Any idea as to what the winning time might've been with the S7? So far, I don't think I've even broken the 9 minute mark yet. I'll keep trying, but I don't want to perpetuate any misbeliefs about my OCD that others here have diagnosed.

Thanks again! Have A Great Drive!
RoadHazard
 
Hmm... You can call me crazy, but I think that with a good lineup (yeah, that's likely :indiff:) and some good driving, the Nurburgring 24 hour endurance may be possible in a Nissan R390GT1 Road Car. Yes, stock; it would need S1 tires and vastly lowered downforce, but it's so obviously not a road car that it really can keep up. I would need to have the Falken, M3 GTR, A4, TT-R, and one other car that is not the 2D :scared:, S2000, Silvia, MR-S, or RX-7. It would be hard to find and it would not be a cakewalk of a race, but it certainly seems doable.

I just had a go at a run with a field that had the four particular cars I wanted, but with S1s and minimum downforce, the presence of an MR-S offered me only 198 points. :ouch: I cooked the tires in four laps, pitting from about four seconds ahead of the TT-R, who went on to lap 6 along with the M3 and A4. I figure that means that I'll have to pit three times for every two the opponents do, therefore necessitating a 10-second gain every four-lap cycle. I came near that minimum gain while getting used to the car, having to pass everyone, having a full fuel tank, and having less downforce than a perfect lineup would allow. If I ever do this race for 200, I'll definitely use this car!
 
But if that's still questionable, I can prove it another way.

Not saying this is true in this case, but do bear in mind that a screenshot proves absolutely nothing with GT4. ;)
There could be a stage 4 turbo on there but the screenshot neither confirms or disproves that.

I know you've an excellent record in setting up cars for max. speed runs in the 300mph club, so I don't find it surprising that you could do this, I just wanted to let you know that you shouldn't rely on a screenshot as absolute proof.

This thread is built on trust, there's never been a requirement for proof, but I can't deny that numerous spurious entries have made the list only to be removed later after they've been "found out"!

My console is dying and has now choked twice while loading this race...

Freezing is gamesave related, not GT4 disk related.
Have a look at that thread! I had the same experience in this race while fishing for lineups. It's a known bug.
Don't worry about your console! Mine has worked flawlessly since I experienced this issue, and with my original GT4 disk.
I have repeated the error in a few different cars too.
 
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I know its been done, But this time no purchase of tyres :)
I won it from Suzuki Concepts, Jumped in and started Enduro.

Endurance races: El Capitan
Car: Suzuki GSX-R/4 '01 (Stock S2 tyres) / MR / 173HP / 640kg / 3.7kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Open Addict

This car can slaughter any competition.
It went the whole race with-out needing fuel, however on S2's I pitted every 17 laps.
Lap times between 1:50.500 - 1:53.000 not very consistant:crazy:,
But the closest competitor was the Shelby with a fastest lap of 1:58.000 (It's quick enough).


I also have a Clio entry for El Capitan but I forgot my Details so i'll add later.

I am also trying to find a line-up that the 1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z Concept car compete against.
The line up would not need the fast lotus, or the shelby, or the callaway or the zonda
On S2's I can get 1:58.5's for 11 laps so I would need a field that pit similar to me.
I think this could be done. Also PWR is around 6.4 I think
 
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Intriguing! There should be plenty of lineups it can beat. Mine has a ton of ballast from the Camaro manufacturer races, so I didn't notice it as a possibility. I'll check it out now.

Edit: Yes, it does have a 6.4 WPR, but it's a lower 6.4 than the RX-8 (as in 6.36 or whatever it is for this car, versus 6.38 or whatever for the Mazda). However, it would still be a great choice for the race, and if you ran it down in B-spec for a couple thousand miles, it could probably get a 6.5 WPR and still win.
 
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Intriguing! There should be plenty of lineups it can beat. Mine has a ton of ballast from the Camaro manufacturer races, so I didn't notice it as a possibility. I'll check it out now.

Edit: Yes, it does have a 6.4 WPR, but it's a lower 6.4 than the RX-8 (as in 6.36 or whatever it is for this car, versus 6.38 or whatever for the Mazda). However, it would still be a great choice for the race, and if you ran it down in B-spec for a couple thousand miles, it could probably get a 6.5 WPR and still win.

Line-ups it can beat, means looking, and I dont have the time to scroll through many line-up changes to find one.

Anyways maybe over christmas time. ( if the wife lets me)
 
Still working through the Special Conditions hall... It's a pity I couldn't get 200 stock A-spec points for all these hard difficulty tarmac races, but I did get the 200 by adding some ballast, and it's not much harder. In almost all of these races, the hardest part was the pass. Grand Canyon and George V Paris are particularly ill-suited to actual racing. :banghead:

Special Conditions : Umbria Rally : Hard difficulty
Car: Renault Clio Sport Trophy V6 24V Race Car '00 (R1 tires, minimum downforce)/ MR / 293HP / 1150kg / 3.9kg/HP / 191 A-spec points vs. Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car '85

This one required a truly insane pass (totally clean, too!): getting close at the final hairpin, going in deep and sliding outside, then flooring it to the inside of the corner and darting left to pass a wiggling Renault 5 before that instant-death archway!

Special Conditions : Umbria Rally (reverse) : Hard difficulty
Car: Renault Clio Sport Trophy V6 24V Race Car '00 (R1 tires, minimum downforce)/ MR / 293HP / 1150kg / 3.9kg/HP / 191 A-spec points vs. Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car '85

The Renault 5 is terrible at this course. Its erratic driving is both a blessing and a curse: it makes it much slower, but careening wildly around makes it hard to get by without becoming a sandwich! I passed it on the outside when it was strangely far to the inside and braked too early for the last real corner.

Special Conditions : Capri Rally (reverse) : Hard difficulty
Car: Renault Clio Sport Trophy V6 24V Race Car '00 (R1 tires, minimum downforce)/ MR / 293HP / 1150kg / 3.9kg/HP / 191 A-spec points vs. Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car '85

This car seems not to show up in the forward race :confused:, so this will have to do. I passed it when, in the hairpin after the sweeping right-left in the uphill section, it bizarrely drove straight into the outside wall, stopped, reversed, and went on, despite me never getting near it. :boggled: Its tendency to fly into the barrier at the first corner meant I never had to block it. 👍

Special Conditions : Grand Canyon Rally : Easy difficulty
Car: Lotus Elise Type 72 '01 / MR / 120HP / 756kg / 6.3 kg/HP / 200 A-spec points vs. Toyota Celica GT-FOUR RC (ST185) '91

The Elises all seem to be amazing rally cars. I made the pass when the Celica went wide on the second of those uphill hairpins and drove through the slow gravelly stuff.

Special Conditions : Grand Canyon Rally (reverse) : Easy difficulty
Car: Lotus Elise Type 72 '01 / MR / 120HP / 756kg / 6.3 kg/HP / 200 A-spec points vs. Toyota Celica GT-FOUR RC (ST185) '91

Painful to get by this guy here. I ended up doing this: in the first hairpin, use a line that gets you very good exit speed, get beside the Celica on the right, and pass it on the outside in the following hairpin, staying in first gear even though it's against the rev limiter for a while.

Special Conditions: George V Rally : Hard difficulty
Car: Renault Clio Sport Trophy V6 24V Race Car '00 (R1 tires, minimum downforce)/ MR / 293HP / 1150kg / 3.9kg/HP / 191 A-spec points vs. Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car '85

I outbraked it after it wiggled a bit coming out of one of the turns.

Special Conditions: George V Rally (reverse) : Hard difficulty
Car: Renault Clio Sport Trophy V6 24V Race Car '00 (R1 tires, minimum downforce)/ MR / 293HP / 1150kg / 3.9kg/HP / 191 A-spec points vs. Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car '85

I passed it when it went wide at the exit of the roundabout and subsequently pounded the wall in the left immediately following.

Special Conditions : Tour of Tahiti : Easy difficulty
Car: Lotus Elise Type 72 '01 / MR / 120HP / 756kg / 6.3 kg/HP / 200 A-spec points vs. Toyota Celica GT-FOUR RC (ST185) '91

Very easy race. Pass on the inside of the first turn.

Special Conditions : Tour of Tahiti (reverse) : Easy difficulty
Car: Lotus Elise Type 72 '01 / MR / 120HP / 756kg / 6.3 kg/HP / 200 A-spec points vs. Toyota Celica GT-FOUR RC (ST185) '91

Another easy one. Pass on the outside of the long paved right.
 
Endurance races: El Capitan
Car: TVR Cerbera Speed Six '97 (S1 tires) / FR / 316HP / 1130kg / 3.6kg/HP / 200 A-spec

This race took me 6 days to complete, which should tell you all you need to know about how interesting it was..

Well done on the RX-8, Austin!👍
That was the next car I was planning to use, but it will probably be a while before I do this race again, I'm just so sick of the track, the opponents, the pit-schedules, the screeching tires..

As for the Tahiti races Austin mentioned, I'll try to make some videos over the weekend. Can't promise I'll find the time, but I'll do my best.
 
No, no, no, don't bother! I can easily see how the car can win, and completely believe your victories, but at low speeds I'm not a good enough rally driver to quite keep pace with the AI. I wasn't getting blown out by any means; I just wasn't quite fast enough through the turns to compensate for the loss in the straight bits.

I know that because you aren't going to use B-spec, the El Capitan race is your moneymaker, and the site of a good challenge too, but I would get sick of it too if I had done it 30 times already! :eek: Funny, though, I would have thought that TVR would be a fun car to use since it seems to handle pretty well, but this track's bumps may not suit it.


Edit: Endurance races: New York 200 miles
Car: Honda NSX Type R '92 (used, no oil change, S1 tires) / MR / 256HP / 1230kg / 4.8kg/HP / 200 A-spec points
vs. in starting order: Callaway C12 '03, Aston Martin V8 Vantage '99, Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) '90, Mercedes-Benz SL 65 AMG (R230) '04, Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00.

I initially thought I was going to do what Smallhorses did in his races here, making two pit stops. But it didn't turn out that way: my tire-eating driving somehow managed to make the right front tire quite orange by lap 15, despite the fact that it's a fairly light MR! :boggled: Well, it didn't matter in the end; the car had plenty of speed. I didn't know that when I nearly quit the race due to the frustration about the tire life, but I stuck with it and it turned out to be a pretty easy win.

Finishing order:
Honda NSX Type R '92, total time 2:21'17.769, fastest lap 1'48.937 on lap 72. Pits every 15-16 laps.
Mercedes-Benz SL 65 AMG (R230) '04, +~65 seconds. Pits every 18 laps.
Callaway C12 '03, on lead lap. Pits every 26 laps.
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00, on lead lap. Pits every 18-19 laps (stopped from second with two laps to go :dunce:).
Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) '90, +1 lap? Pits every 20-21 laps.
Aston Martin V8 Vantage '99, +1 lap? Pits every 17-18 laps.

I only continued because I was a few seconds in the lead even after passing everyone, and remembered from El Capitan that less fuel = better laps. I actually thought it would nevertheless be a tight battle with the Callaway, which stops only twice. But as it turned out, I could run laps consistently one second faster than the Callaway, and it loses massive amounts of time in its first few and last few laps of a pit cycle, making it not a threat. The Mercedes, which stopped as many times as me, could run almost exactly my pace on warm tires (although I did gain somewhat on my faster laps) but suffered like the Callaway at the beginning and end of the pit cycle.


Edit 2: I tried to find a car to beat Smallhorses' current WPR record for Laguna Seca, hoping not to have to use an NSX for that race yet again, but I couldn't find a way to win with anything but that handy MR chassis. The RX-8 Type S was too slow (although I think it's conceivable it could win), as was the RX-7 Bathurst R. The FPV GT was fast but ate tires at an alarming rate. The Nismo 350Z S-tune concept by GT was nearly good enough, but its tires only lasted 15 laps in my hands and I couldn't overcome that handicap. So the best I can find is the newest NSX Type S '01, which will cruise to victory. :indiff: I'll put up that entry when I actually do the race.


Edit 3: Endurance races: Laguna Seca 200 miles
Car: Honda NSX Type S '01 (R1 tires, no oil change) / MR / 277HP / 1320kg / 4.8kg/HP / 200 A-spec points
vs. in finish order:
Honda NSX Type S '01, total time 2:23'19.826, fastest lap 1'32.844. Pits every 18 laps.
Dodge Viper GTS '99, +~60 seconds. Pits every 18 laps.
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '00, on lead lap. Pits every 21 laps.
Chevrolet Camaro SS '00, +1 lap. Pits every 16 laps.
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00, +1 lap. Pits every 16 laps.
Callaway C12 '03, +2 laps. Pits every 19 laps.

I chose to match the Viper's pit strategy rather than pit every 15 laps, by which time my right front was already orange. I believe the time lost from the extra stop and extra set of cold tires would have been almost the same as the time I lost from the orange tires. Anyway, I got in the lead within seven laps and held it the rest of the way, partly because of the Callaway, which started first, holding up the field for 10-15 laps. The now-familiar pattern was to gain a bunch of time on the pit stop and on cold tires (laps in the 1'34 range), then hold a steady lead for a while on warm tires as the Viper matched my pace (laps in the 1'33 range), then lose a bit as my tires began to fall off in the last three laps (laps in the 1'34-1'36 range). The MOV was less comfortable than I expected before the race, but more comfortable than I expected after the first pit cycle, due once again to the quickening of lap times with a lighter fuel load. I also noticed once again that starting position has a lot to do with pace in the race: I abandoned an attempt with the Viper starting second because it was going too fast for me, and did similarly when the Corvette started first. In this race, the Viper started third and the Corvette fifth, I think, and you can see that they were significantly slower.


Edit 4: Whoops, another enormous post. :scared: And no this is not a repeat entry. ;)

Endurance races: Grand Valley 300km
Car: Toyota SuperAutobacs Apex MR-S (JGTC) '00 (R1 tyres, no oil change) / MR / 301HP / 1125kg / 3.7kg/HP / 200 A-spec points
vs. in finishing order:
Toyota SuperAutobacs Apex MR-S (JGTC) '00, total time 1:57'43.878, fastest lap 1'54.049. Pits every 10 laps.
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GT-R (JGTC) '01, +~59 seconds. Pits every 15 laps.
Toyota au Cerumo Supra (JGTC) '01, on lead lap. Pits every 14-15 laps (stopped on lap 59!).
Honda Loctite Mugen NSX (JGTC) '01, on lead lap. Pits every 14 laps.
Audi A4 Touring Car '04, on lead lap. Pits every 14 laps.
Honda Takata Dome NSX (JGTC) '03, +1 lap. Pits every 15 laps. (It went from half a lap down to a full lap down when I passed it going extremely slowly out of turn 1. :confused:)

Once again, it seems that pace and tire wear are proportional. I had a much faster fast lap than Smallhorses even though he had new oil, but my tires somehow only lasted 2/3 of the distance. I think he may not have realized that it's absolutely critical to shift at 6000 RPM, or that the stock downforce is not maximized! Anyway, in this case I was actually much faster than the AI on every lap, regardless of the states of our tires, although I obviously made up a lot more per lap (3 seconds or so) on cold tires than on warm ones (0.5-1 seconds). The car actually handles well enough on orange tires that I barely lost any time on my inlaps, which may have meant I could have had a better race time by pitting every 12 laps, but I preferred doing it this way. It was a pretty easy race overall.
 
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The TVR did okay at El Capitan, the race took so long mostly due to boredom..
Making some videos is really no bother, the races are quite fun to do anyway. My TV shorted out though, so I'll have to wait until my new one arrives.

Another possible entrant for El Capitan this, but decided to find somewhere else to race for once:
Professional Hall: NA Sports race 5 - Trial Mountain
Car: Tommy Kaira ZZ-S '00 / MR / 192HP / 690kg / 3.6kg/HP / 200 A-spec

Had a pretty good race with a Proto Spirra, shame it's only 3 laps..
 
Austin343
Endurance races: Laguna Seca 200 miles
Car: Honda NSX Type S '01 (S1 tires, no oil change) / MR / 277HP / 1320kg / 4.8kg/HP / 200 A-spec points

That has to be a typo. There's no way you can run 1'34 laps on S1 tyres in that car. Can you confirm that you meant R1s (which're still within the rules for this race only.)
 
Whoops! Yes, of course it was R1s. Simple typo; got too used to writing S1 for all these road car endurances! :dunce: Sorry for the confusion. Although I wonder if there's a car that can do the race for 200 points on S1s... 💡 And another entry:

Endurance races: Tokyo 300km
Car: ASL ARTA Garaiya (JGTC) '03 (R1 tires, no oil change) / MR / 319HP / 1125kg / 3.5kg/HP / 200 A-spec points
vs. in finishing order:
ASL ARTA Garaiya (JGTC) '03, total time 1:43'35.168, fastest lap 1'41.251. Pits every 20 laps.
Nissan Pennzoil Zexel GT-R (JGTC) '01, +~1'17. Pits every 27-28 laps.
Honda Mobil 1 NSX (JGTC) '01, on lead lap. Pits every 27 laps.
Toyota au Cerumo Supra (JGTC) '01, on lead lap. Pits every 26-27 laps.
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GT-R (JGTC) '01, on lead lap. Pits every 27 laps.
Honda Takata Dome NSX (JGTC) '03, on lead lap. Pits every 27 laps.

After shortening the gear ratios and tweaking the suspension a bit to help reduce the understeer, I set out versus Smallhorses' 200 point grid. Especially when short-shifted, this car is plenty fast. I got into the lead by lap two and pulled out quickly while the AI warmed their tires. Then, much like Grand Valley, I was able to keep the gap to 2nd constant or gain slightly each lap. Their long pit stops and ponderous cold-tire driving is what gave me most of the 1'17 MOV.

Funny, I usually don't like Tokyo at all, but for some reason I really enjoy this race. I guess it's because the JGTC300 cars fit the track so well. 👍
 
Been done before, but not with this BHP


Endurance races: Laguna Seca 200 miles
Car: Suzuki GSX-R/4 '01 (R1 tyres) / MR / 173HP / 640kg / 3.7kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Open Addict

MOV +50 seconds

I Pit on 30 and 60 laps

Pal Lineup #2
Shelby pits every 12-13 laps.
2 x Chevy's
Callaway
Viper

Shelby is the main competition and if I didn't lose the back end a couple times and spin, MOV would have been probably a Lap.


I Still forgot my clio details for El Capitan :grumpy:



@Austin, The amount of racing you have been doing lately, you could have done a 24hr enduro by now ;)
 
Yeah, but my sister has been playing in most of the interludes. ;) Anyway, I think that with the Tokyo win, I've redone all the races for which I used the GSX-R/4 for 200 points. Combined with my earlier redoing of many of the "easier" races, it feels good to have rid myself of my dependence on it and the Ram (minus PD cup, Sports Truck, and several difficult-to-get-points Special Conditions races). I still don't have as many 200 point stock or at least non-nitrous wins as I should :guilty:, but at least I don't have any points unnecessarily resting with the "cheater" cars, now that I've done all the feasible races with normal ones. :)
 
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Okay, a couple 200 pointers.

Special Conditions: Chamonix Rally : Hard difficulty
Car: Mitsubishi Pajero Rally Raid '85 (minimum downforce) / 4WD / 226HP/ 1202kg / 5.3kg/HP / 200 A-spec points vs. Toyota Corolla Rally Car '98

Actually quite an easy race. Just pass the Corolla on the paved bit, stick to the inside of the track the whole way around, and try your best to not get it sideways. Unfortunately, I found the reverse version too hard to win, especially with the paved bit at the end of the lap and a lack of knowledge of the course. :indiff:

Special Conditions : Capri Rally : Hard difficulty
Car: Toyota SuperAutobacs Apex MR-S (JGTC) '00 (R1 tyres, no oil change, downforce 20/21) / MR / 301HP / 1125kg / 3.7kg/HP / 200 A-spec points vs. Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Evo2 Rally Car '86

While searching for this opponent, I found out that the Renault 5 rally car does appear here. The whole reason I was using this car in the first place was because I thought the Renault wasn't in the set of AI for this race, and the Clio cup car wasn't cutting it against the Peugeot. But that turned out to be a good thing, because this was a very easy win. 👍 I passed the AI car at the bottom of the really steep downhill and kept enough distance for it not to pound me head-on into the wall in the hairpin after the uphill jump like it did the first time. :ouch: It's sufficiently terrible in the whole downhill section to run 4-second faster lap times and win by a huge margin.

Both of these cars would almost certainly be good 200 point contenders in many other races.
 
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My first (and might be my only) contribution to this thread!! Yay!

For: European Events / British GT Series / All Races (as a championship, vs NTSC/USA Lineup #1)
1 TVR T350C '03
2 Aston Martin DB9 Coupe '03
3 TVR Tamora '02
4 Lotus Esprit V8 SE '98
5 TVR Tuscan Speed 6 '00

Driving: Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Coupe / FR / 420 SellHP, 426 SettingsHP / 1775kg / 200 points!
** ~200 miles **; S2/S2; Aids @ 001

(EDIT) After loading my other game, I bought a brand new DB7. When I entered this event with 0.0 miles, it only offered 199 points! :( While the HP numbers were the same on the Settings and Sell screens, apparently a brand-new DB7 won't offer 200 points...

Qualifying P1 is recommended, especially if you prefer to drive "cleanly". I was able to win them worst-to-first with some contact, but I'm sure others here can win cleanly regardless of starting position.

Have A Great Drive!
RoadHazard
 
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First, nice job with that, RoadHazzard. I'm glad to see that you don't have to drive dirty in every race to make up for the deficiencies of your very challenging car choices.

Second, Smallhorses (or anyone else who knows), I'm curious, what are the rules about what's track and what's not on Sarthe? Is the pavement beyond the rumble strips considered track or not in this thread?

Third, I bet alhajoth already knows this, but I tested out a car for El Capitan today that seems like a surefire winner, and at 6.5 kg/HP, too: the DMC Delorean. I don't know how I missed it before, but it turns out low 1'59 laps even with a full fuel tank. Its tire wear isn't as good as the RX-8's, but it's acceptable, lasting me 9-10 good laps. I can stretch it to 11, but that's definitely pushing it and makes the times suffer a good bit, to the extent that it might be faster to take an extra pit stop. Anyone who wants to try this, go for it. 👍 Just make sure to find a weak lineup!
 
@ Austin

Track is classed the same as the licence test (I would assume), so the extra bit of off/on track for Sarthe should be acceptable (IMO).


I know it's sort of been done but not with S2 tyres.
Endurance races: New York 200 miles
Car: Suzuki GSX-R/4 '01 (S2 tyres) / MR / 173HP / 640kg / 3.7kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Open Addict


A pesonal best with kg/HP for me.
Endurance races: El Capitan
Car: Clio Renault Sport V6 24V '00 (S1 tyres, Used, No Oil)/ MR / 225HP/ 1335kg / 5.9kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Open Addict

I did get a few pushes down the main straight from the Shelby

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A Huge pesonal best with 6.3826 kg/HP for me.
Endurance races: El Capitan
Car: Chevrolet Camero IROC-Z Concept '88 (S2 tyres, Prizecar, No Oil)/ FR/ 230HP/ 1468kg / 6.4kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Open Addict

Line-up Pal #30 :grumpy:
1) Proto Motors Spirra 4.6 V8 '04--------------Finished 2nd
2) Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '00------------Finished 4th
3) Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) '90-----------Finished 5th
4) TVR 350C '03------------------------------Finished 3rd
5) Aston Martin V8 Vantage '99---------------Finished 6th
6) (ME) Chevrolet Camero IROC-Z Concept '88-Finished 1st

The Proto Motors was the major competition.
During the race, every 11 lap stint before pitting, I would have 2 - 3 laps the Proto was on my Butt by the end of the main straight and would tap me a little quicker.
Cold Tyres don't seem to hamper the Proto as much as I would like but I could still pull approx 10 seconds by the end of the out lap.
Also he gets held up resonably well by the Corvette Z06 after about half way through. and I then never saw him again untill the last 3 laps.


MOV 0.711 seconds. Should have been approx 2 seconds but I got a little excited on the last left hander going on to the straight and got a bit too much dirt and almost lost the race.

You could run the race on S1 tyres but I think the 1 pit stop you save the lap times would not make up for it.

Best lap was 1:58.756 (laps were consistant 1:59.000 - 2:00.500) except for in out laps
Total time 2hrs 14 min 16.681 seconds


I think if I can ware down the car a little (if I can) and get the same line-up but change the Proto to a Mustang SVT cobra or Chevy Grand Sport (if at all possible) This car could probably increase the PWR record to 6.5 - 6.6.
The only problem I see with this is it may take you just as long to find the line-up than to do the actual race.
 
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I only just saw your edit! Nice job 👍, but the WPR is about 0.04 kg/HP lower than the RX-8, as it is right now of course. The Spirra is awfully tough competition; I know it's frustrating looking through lineups, but it seemed way too fast for me. Kudos for beating it, even if you did have to block, and had such a narrow MOV. :scared: Our total times were only 5 seconds apart, by the way! :eek: How did the tires fare? I wouldn't expect too much from an American FR, but if you went 11 laps, it was obviously good enough. As for future races, I think the Delorean is a better bet at 6.53ish kg/HP and potentially faster lap times than the IROC-Z even in the Chevy's fresh-oil state, but maybe I'm wrong.
 
@ Austin,

Tyres for the IROC-Z easily held the 11 laps could have pushed to 13 but decided to stick to the Proto's pit strategy.

Extreme Events: Like the Wind
Car: TVR Cerbera Speed 12 '00 / stock tyres (S2) / FR / 798HP / 1020kg / 1.3kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Open Addict

Extreme Events: Like the Wind
Car: Nissan Option Stream Z '04 /stock tyres (S3) / FR / 759HP / 1440kg / 1.9kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Open Addict

Extreme Events: Like the Wind
Car: Ford GT LM Race Car '02 / stock tyres (R1) / MR / ?HP (615HP garage value) / ?kg (1140kg garage calculation) / ?kg/HP (1.3kg/HP garage value) / 200 A-spec by Open Addict

I also tried the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (c2) Race Car '63 new oil for 639HP (garage value) and 1.828 kg/HP garage value. I got so close so many times, but the vette only has a non draft top speed of 345kph and draft speed of 370kph. I think this car just has the problem of getting of the line quick. I had one race where 4 of the AI pit (the fifth was a Ford GT and it was a no show anyway). My loss time was 0.315 seconds because they caught me on the back straight and went pass. I tucked in the draft but could then not overtake.:grumpy:
Edit : Chevy Kick butt, see post #1133 (just scroll a bit further down)
 
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Professional Hall: GT World Championship Race 2 - Twin Ring Motegi Super Speedway
Car: Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car '98 (Black used, R2 tyres, Downforce 63/76) / MR / 712HP / 1000kg / 1.4kg/HP / 200 A-spec points!

vs. 1st lineup.

Have also now managed to cleanly beat Supercar race cleanly for 200 points at Seoul in BMW M5, verifying that as possible.
Also verified Suzuka & Fuji 2005 GT races in Real Circuit Tours in Chaparral 2J - very easy!!!
 
More record-breaking El Capitan action!

Endurance races: El Capitan
Car: DMC DeLorean S2 '04 (S2 tires, no oil change) / RR / 197HP / 1288kg / 6.5 kg/HP / 200 A-spec points
vs. in finishing order:
DMC DeLorean S2 '04, total time 2:14'24.060, best lap 1'58.206. Pits every 11 laps (should have done every 9-10, though).
TVR Cerbera Speed 6 '97, +~20 seconds. Pits every 11-12 laps.
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (C4) '96, on lead lap. Pits every 13-14 laps.
BMW M5 '05, on lead lap. Pits every 13-14 laps.
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00, +1 lap. Pits every 12 laps.
SL 65 AMG, +1 lap. Pits every 11-12 laps.

Frustratingly, I spent an hour digging for a good lineup, and I still didn't get a near-ideal one. :banghead: This was the best I could come up with, and it's only on par with the one I drew in the RX-8. Anyway, this car, I suppose because it's a bit more race-tuned in stock form and has more torque than the RX-8, is definitely quicker, as you can see by my fastest lap. However, the startlingly moderate tire wear of the Mazda is definitely not equaled by even this RR, and the tires really fall off at the end of the 11 laps. In retrospect, I lost so much time making stupid mistakes on uncooperative fiery orange tires every 11th lap that it would have been better to pit once more, every 9-10 laps. And while the car does indeed have the pace, I couldn't manage the same consistency the easy-to-drive RX-8 afforded me and ended up with only a marginally quicker average flying lap time, and a slower total race time due to the tire wear problems. In spite of its speed, it was the same story once again of gaining four seconds per lap on cold tires and having that margin chewed away on warm ones.

If anyone somehow finds a lineup I described on the last page as being "ideal," then this is by no means the car with the worst WPR that can win. The problem is getting one of those lineups. I know from Smallhorses' descriptions that the probability of getting five out of seven or eight cars you want when there are fifteen or more cars to pick from is very low, but I swear that PD's lineups were not random. I actually found a frustrating number of lineups with four of the slowest cars and then an Elise or Esprit messing it all up, and the frequency with which, for example, the Shelby started fifth, was rather unnatural...

Edit: Oops again, I meant S2 tires, not S1s. Also, I was messing around a bit with cars for Sarthe II 24 hour, and discovered that there are several LMPs that can be offered, and almost certainly win, 200 points stock on S1 tires. No, that's not another typo; I do mean Sports Hard tires. The Pescarolo Judd, for example, handles amazingly well on those tires, and the only ways I can tell the tires aren't race grade are in significant understeer under braking and wheelspin in 3rd gear. Otherwise, especially since you can get 200 points with full downforce, it's nearly as good as it is on racing super-hards. The only question mark, which I didn't test, is whether the S1s will last as long as the R1s. If they don't make it to lap 8, it will be a tough mountain to climb to win the race. And I tried out another car, too, the Gillet Vertigo, which can also be offered 200 stock points on R1s if you vastly lower its already pathetic downforce. That one, however, can't win, at least not without extensive tuning, as its handling is atrocious (it feels "drunken") and its impressive wheelspin eats the rear tires much too fast, even with TCS 1.

Edit 2: Another interesting find, this time for Sarthe I, but unfortunately lineup-dependent yet again. :indiff: If you find a starting grid with 5 of the following 8 cars (out of 14 AI possible): Bentley Speed 8, Audi R8, Pescarolo Judd, Pescarolo Courage, BMW V12 LMR, Toyota GT-ONE, Nissan R390 GT1, Panoz Esperante; then the Pagani Zonda LM on R3 tires would be a great candidate for a stock 200 point victory. The Group C cars are all too fast for it, and the GTS class cars drag down the points too much, but any combination of those middling cars would net it a win, I think, assuming yet again the tires last long enough (6 laps would be great). PAL users would be especially good candidates to try this out, with the well-known Sarthe AI glitch affecting primarily them. I also tried the Nissan GT-R LM Concept, but its terrific handling couldn't make up for surprising, pronounced sluggishness on the straights.

Edit 3: Scratch that, the Zonda's R3s lasted four laps :ouch:, and no way can I win the race losing that much time to pit stops. It was too slow on R2s to bother trying the race itself on those harder tires. It does appear that the Panoz Esperante can win, however, on R1s, provided no Group Cs, no other Panoz, and no GTS class cars appear in the lineup...

Edit 4: Just in case anyone is seeing these edits, forget about the R390 GT1 Road Car on S1s at Nurburgring 24 hours. There is a far better car to use, that would have many more 200 point lineups available: the Opera Performance S2000, on S1s, with added downforce (stock is 0/0, and goes up to 30/30). I only wish it were a bit less popular in this thread already, although it's certainly not ordinarily competing against race cars! It actually looks like a cakewalk if you find a lineup with all three of the "slow" touring cars (Alfa, Calibra, 190E) and two JGTC cars. You would never know those tires weren't R-grade, especially by the performance.

Edit 5: I just tried a 45-minute test of the S2000 in Nurburgring 24 hours, and not only is it winnable, it's a cakewalk. Against NTSC lineup 1, with the Falken, Calibra, 190E, MR-S, and Silvia, the car is offered 200 points on S1s even with full 30/30 downforce, and can go about 3 seconds faster on a fast lap than the Falken on one of its fast laps. Not only that, but the Falken's tires really go off on its fifth lap and it loses a pile of time. The S2000 can match its five laps, too, assuming you can handle a "fun" inlap with an orange left rear. I honestly thought this would be a closer race, especially with the relatively quick Falken in the lineup, but this car is just too good to struggle in this race! In fact, this would be a terrific opportunity to forget about the opponents (since they're all slow) and just focus on driving as clean a race as possible, Smallhorses-style.

Edit 6: Another candidate for 200-pointing the Nurburgring 24 hours is a stock BMW 320i Touring Car, which has wonderful handling but is heavier and less powerful than the S2000 and so turns in lap times about 3 seconds slower. I think the Falken is beatable, but it would be pretty tough, and a lineup with only two slow touring cars and three JGTCs would still get it 200 points.

Edit 7: I just realized I never redid the Dream Car Championship in something besides a GSX-R/4. I did all but Test Course in the M3 GTR, but that's too popular to bother posting. This, however, is the first time this bulky pig has appeared in this thread, and yes, it's on sports tires...

Extreme Hall: Dream Car Championship race 6 - Test Course
Car: Lister Storm V12 Race Car '99 (S1/S3 tires, minimum downforce) / FR / 594 HP / 1438 kg / 2.4 kg/HP / 200 A-spec points
vs. a lineup with 4 LM cars and an FTO, with no Ford GT LMs nor Zonda present.
 
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Old Classic kicks butt

Extreme Events: Like the Wind
Car: Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (c2) Race Car '63 / (R1, new oil) / FR / ?HP (639HP garage value) / ?kg (1168kg garage calculation) / ?kg/HP (1.828g/HP garage value) / 200 A-spec by Open Addict

Was able to change quite a lot of settings with this car and was able to get a straight speed of 352kph down the straight with no draft. this was a big help.

PAL Line up #2 Mov was 1.2 seconds. (cough oops MOV was actually 0.462 seconds)
Sauber Mercedes C9 Race Car '89 - Pits lap 3 Finished 3rd
Gillet Vertigo Race Car '04 - No Pit Finished Last
Toyota GT-One Race Car '99 - Pits lap 3 Finished 5th
Nissan R92CP Race Car '92 - Pits lap 3 Finished 2nd
Nissan R390 GTI Race Car '98 - Pits lap 4 Finished 4th
Me (Vette Z06 (c2) Race Car '63) - No Pit Finished 1st Total Time 9:02.148

I will also post the settings i used on the car aswell.
Edit: Settings (these are what I used, There maybe better but I ran out of time playing with them)
Downforce 15 / 21

Suspension Front / rear
Height 5.0 / 3.0
Bound 6 / 6
Rebound 7 / 7
Camber 1.0 / 0.5
Toe 0 / 0
Stabalizer 6 / 6

Transmission Tranny Trick
Auto 1
1st - 2.913
2nd - 1.988
3rd - 1.450
4th - 1.086
5th - 0.883
Final - 2.962


This will probably be my last post untill next week. For all those Stock and 200 point nutters (and every one else) Have a great christmas and enjoy your festivities and keep racing.
 
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Finally found a lineup for the Toyota GT-One for the GT All Stars

Extreme Hall: GT All Stars Races 1-4 and 6-10
Car: Toyota GT-One Race Car (TS020) '99 (Black used, R2/R1 or R2/R2 tyres) / MR / ?HP (700HP on garage screen) / 900kg / ?kg/HP (1.3kg/HP using garage value) / 200 A-spec by mynameissport

Extreme Hall: GT All Stars Race 5 - Test Course
Car: Toyota GT-One Race Car (TS020) '99 (Black used, R2's tyres, min downforce) / MR / ?HP (700HP on garage screen) / 900kg / ?kg/HP (1.3kg/HP using garage value) / 200 A-spec by mynameissport

Vs PAL lineup below (lots of exits and entries to get this one)
Bentley Speed 8
Sauber Mercedes C9
Toyota 7
Nissan R89C
Jaguar XJR-9

This is a medium type lineup for this car and setup is crucial to winning. On the test course I used R2's with min downforce and high gearing for top speed. You do not have to qualify for the races as all of the races are winnable from the back of the grid. Also used either of the combo tyres of either R2/R1 or R2/R2 depending on the track. Also with this lineup you do not have to reduce the downforce for 200 A-Spec points or have to be stuck with R1's up front and lose grip and speed.

I just want to correct a couple of additions to the thread just to clear things up.

Extreme Hall: Dream Car Championship races 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,9 and 10:
Car: BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01 (R2 tyres)/ FR / 444HP / 1120kg / 2.5kg/HP / 200 A-spec by mynameissport

Vs PAL Lineup below:
Ford GT LM '02
Nissan GT-R Concept LM '02
Ford GT LM Spec-II '04
Chevrolet Camaro LM '01
Honda NSX-Type R LM Concept '02

Only qualified for the Toyko R246, Test Course and Sarthe 2 races. The other races are quite easily winnable from the back. Just make sure you get a good setup that eliminates the understeer from this car though and it is winnable.

Extreme Hall: Dream Car Championship race 6 - Test Course
Car: BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01 (R3 tyres, min downforce)/ FR / 444HP / 1120kg / 2.5kg/HP / 200 A-spec by mynameissport

I see some people are having a struggle to win at the Test Course with this car, the only way you can win is to first qualify on pole by following a Ford GT round the track until you get the pole position spot. Then used R3 and min downforce for speed and reduce drag and good gearing for top speed. At the start I simply blocked the Ford GT's getting past without breaking the rules till I was up to speed and then following the leading Ford GT round the track until the final lap.

On the final lap you can do two things. 1) Stay behind the Ford GT until near the finish then use the slipstream to get pass and cross the line first by a few car lengths. Timing is crucial as if you get it wrong you will lose. Or 2) Get in front of the leading Ford GT before the end of the race and block him heavily without the car getting in the front.

It is not easy but it is possible to win with good timing, strategy and a little luck. The best gap I have won was 0.200 from the Ford GT and the closest was 0.005 for a win.

Finally, I noticed a couple of errors from the entries I have done in the past. For the GT World Championship I said the Peugeot 905 with a few races can be used on R2/R1's, but it is a little tricky to get these races winnable so I had to change it to R2's all round as it is easier to win and is more manageable without the stress. So can you replace the old entries in the list with the new ones I have listed below.

Professional Hall: GT World Championship Race 2 - Twin Ring Motegi Super Speedway
Car: Peugeot 905 Race Car '92 (R2 Tyres, 63/88 downforce) / MR / 799HP/ 750kg / 0.9kg/HP / 161 A-spec by mynameissport

Professional Hall: GT World Championship Race 3 - Hong Kong
Car: Peugeot 905 Race Car '92 (R2 Tyres, 63/88 downforce) / MR / 799HP/ 750kg / 0.9kg/HP / 161 A-spec by mynameissport

Professional Hall: GT World Championship Race 7 - Opera Paris
Car: Peugeot 905 Race Car '92 (R2 Tyres, 63/88 downforce) / MR / 799HP/ 750kg / 0.9kg/HP / 161 A-spec by mynameissport

I did not need to pit for the Twin Ring Motegi Super Speedway race as the tyres will survive until the end of the race and can survive for at least 26-27 laps from testing. For both the Hong Kong and Opera Paris, I did pit for a change of tyres as it is required due to tyre wear issues.
 
and another for
Endurance races: El Capitan
Car: ASL Garaiya '02 (S2 tires, no oil change) / MR / 198HP / 800kg / 4.0 kg/HP / 200 A-spec points by Open Addict

Pal Line up #2
TVR 350C ' 03
Shelby Series 1 Supercharged '03
Mercedes SL 65 AMG (R230) '04
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '00
Dodge Viper GTS '99
ASL Garaiya '02

The ASL on S2 tyres can easily make 17 laps before pitting. Meaning only three stops required. You will need approx 8 units of fuel to get you across the line in your third pit stop.

Another Cake walk. Best lap was a 1:55.897, most laps between 1:56.500 and 1:58.000 Total Time 2:10:56.107 MOV was 1 lap and 8 seconds over the Shelby

I think the ASL could also be a Lotus killer aswell.


...Another possible entrant for El Capitan this, but decided to find somewhere else to race for once:
Professional Hall: NA Sports race 5 - Trial Mountain
Car: Tommy Kaira ZZ-S '00 / MR / 192HP / 690kg / 3.6kg/HP / 200 A-spec

Had a pretty good race with a Proto Spirra, shame it's only 3 laps..

Inspired by alhojoth
Endurance races: El Capitan
Car: Tommy Kaira ZZ-S '00 / MR / 192HP / 690kg / 3.6kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Open Addict

Pal Line up #2
TVR 350C ' 03
Shelby Series 1 Supercharged '03
Mercedes SL 65 AMG (R230) '04
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '00
Dodge Viper GTS '99


Another walk in the park. Pit every 17 laps, tyres worn very evenly. However I was 50 laps in and (as it was late and i had not had dinner yet) I decided to give Bob a drive so i could eat. With-in 10 laps he had lost over 1 minute to the Shelby (I was 1:30 in front). I quickly make him pit and change over driver only (as I knew the tyres and fuel should be good to finish). I come out of the pit with a 20 second lead and noticed that the rears were already yellow and the fronts were nice and green. WTF was bob doing to go 10 seconds a lap slower and kill my rear tyres. GGGRRRR, I hate bob. With 5 laps to go I was able to put the gap back to 35 seconds for the Win.

Big lesson learned here, B-spec can't drive to save his life.
 
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By now, you all are probably sick of hearing about my crazy ideas. I think this one is worth listening to, however. You know how I was going on about the R390 GT1 road car, Opera S2000, and 320i touring car for Nurburgring 24 hours? Well, I decided to one-up myself. I discovered that the AI drivers are pathetic in the JGTC300 cars, running laps approximately 7'45 and slower. I had the idea to take the sports tires thing one step further and move from the S2000, an obviously non-roadgoing car with several "sports" parts attached stock, to completely stock roadgoing production cars. If you dig up a lineup with all JGTC300 cars (and the Spoon S2000 is okay, too), then I found multiple cars that could win, all on S1 tires, but some with the possibility of 200 points on S2s: Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A, Honda NSX Type R '02 (this one would just demolish the competition, by several laps), and Nissan 350Z '03 (can use S2s). I think it would be great fun to take a car that looks like it showed up for the 4 hour race and use it to beat racing cars, with downforce, more power, less weight, and better tires, all on an amazing and never boring track.

I think I'm out of ideas now. :P Seriously, for the 24 hour endurances (the only ones I'm interested in, as I've completed the rest), I think that nearly exhausts the fresh ideas for this thread.

Edit: Oh, I keep forgetting to ask, I still don't fully understand the tire rule. I know the basics that are in the first post, but it seems like there's a double standard. In some cases, the rule is apparently "stock tires or harder," which makes sense to me, but of course allows S3s on tuner cars, which doesn't seem quite right going by the first post. But that rule has been broken on numerous occasions, particularly with the ~300 HP race cars like the S2000 LM and Asparadrink RX-7, which I see listed many times with R2 or R3 tires, even though those cars come stock with R1s. Since the two rules seem incompatible, I have to ask, which one is right?
 
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..Edit: Oh, I keep forgetting to ask, I still don't fully understand the tire rule. I know the basics that are in the first post, but it seems like there's a double standard. In some cases, the rule is apparently "stock tires or harder," which makes sense to me, but of course allows S3s on tuner cars, which doesn't seem quite right going by the first post. But that rule has been broken on numerous occasions, particularly with the ~300 HP race cars like the S2000 LM and Asparadrink RX-7, which I see listed many times with R2 or R3 tires, even though those cars come stock with R1s. Since the two rules seem incompatible, I have to ask, which one is right?

IMO, you can only use the tyres it comes with or worse. (some cars come with S2's or even S3's, you can change to S1's I think) or (for racing cars) change to S1's if the course does not allow R tyres.

***The only exception is Laguna 200 miles because the AI Road cars use Racing tyres you can change your road cars S tyres to R1's.

However, many people (including myself probably) have bent the rules slightly. However quite a few of my last entries I have not purchased tyres for the car, I have just used what it came with. (lately I don't buy anything for the car not even an oil change - except the Chevy at El Capitan).

I would assume that if the tyres put on the car do not allow it to be on the list, Then Hispeed / Smallhorses would not allow them to be.

But I would not take hust my interprtation of the rules. Maybe Smallhorses or Hispeed could interjet with further clarification. 👍


Slightly of the rail however, I also found this thread to be extremely helpful when going for maximum. Being that I could take a car that only gets, say 145 points stock with S1 tyres. I could then maybe get 200 points by changing to N tyres and adding ballast.
 
No, you misunderstood me. I know that you can keep whatever tires are on the car or switch to a harder compound, as long as they aren't N-grade. What I mean is that I've seen many entries where people have attached softer tires than stock, usually when the car comes stock with R1s. I'm inclined to think that "stock or harder" is the rule, which disqualifies entries like these...

Extreme Hall: Dream Car Championship race 1 - Opera Paris
Car: RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX7 (JGTC) '04 (oil changed, R3 tires) / FR / 340HP / 1100kg / 3.2kg/HP / 200 A-spec by speedy_samurai

Endurance races: Suzuka 1000km
Car: Honda S2000 LM Race Car '01 (Tires f/r R2/R1) / FR / 320HP (10014.9 miles on car, oil changed)/ 1050kg / 3.3kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Toronado

...because these cars, as well as the other JGTC300 cars and a couple others, have R1s equipped stock, eliminating R2s and R3s as options, in my mind.
 
No, you misunderstood me. I know that you can keep whatever tires are on the car or switch to a harder compound, as long as they aren't N-grade. What I mean is that I've seen many entries where people have attached softer tires than stock, usually when the car comes stock with R1s. I'm inclined to think that "stock or harder" is the rule, which disqualifies entries like these...

Extreme Hall: Dream Car Championship race 1 - Opera Paris
Car: RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX7 (JGTC) '04 (oil changed, R3 tires) / FR / 340HP / 1100kg / 3.2kg/HP / 200 A-spec by speedy_samurai

Endurance races: Suzuka 1000km
Car: Honda S2000 LM Race Car '01 (Tires f/r R2/R1) / FR / 320HP (10014.9 miles on car, oil changed)/ 1050kg / 3.3kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Toronado

...because these cars, as well as the other JGTC300 cars and a couple others, have R1s equipped stock, eliminating R2s and R3s as options, in my mind.

To clear up the confusion, you can switch to a softer/harder compound of race tyre for racing cars. There are lots of entries that have done it and even I have done it especially for the racing series within GT4. It does count as legal submission of using a softer/harder compound than the stock compound as long as it is possible to win and do not add any more modifications than the ones already being put on.

The fact of the matter is that you can attach to any R1, R2 or R3 tyres to race cars if they are already equipped it says it in the rules on the front page of this thread. It says race cars can be equipped with R1-R3 tyres and there is no restriction on having to change tyre compounds to a softer one if required especially if you need to get 200 A-Spec points for a race/series. You can attach S1 tyres to race cars as well according to the rules, but it is not recommended to high powered racing cars like LMP's and Group C's.

If a race car like the Honda S2000 LM Car, Toyota Wedsport Celica etc. has R1 tyres already equipped, you are free to attach R2 or R3 tyres no problem or do a mixture say R3's up front and R2's rears. In The JGTC series, most GT 300 car entries on this thread have equipped either R2/R3 tyres for 200 A-Spec's, as it would be more difficult to beat the GT 500 cars using R1 tyres as they are running R3 racing tyres.

Also if a car has R3's already attached say a Mazda 787B or Toyota GT-One for example, then you can attach a harder compound tyre say R2/R1's to make sure it can survive a long stint or a long pace without the need for pitting early. If you say try to run the GTWC on R3 tyres say with a Group C/LMP race car then you will have to most likely pit for a fresh set of tyres which loses you time and realistically it is impossible to get 200 A-Spec's for the series. So a harder compound racing tyre attached to the front, a harder lineup and the choice of car is needed to get 200 A-Spec points, also you do not need to pit for fresh tyres except for Hong Kong and Opera Paris so you gain time over the AI. Also for Endurance races it is needed to switch to a harder compound of tyre than the stock one or it will be harder to win as you have to pit more times on a softer tyre than a harder one.

It is also the wear issue, MR cars especially LMP's and Group C's need a softer compound up front than the rear tyre in most races due to the rear tyres wear out more quickly in most circuits.

So to conclude, pretty much the "stock or harder" you mention is not necessary applied to all circumstances, you are free and allowed to use a softer/harder compound of racing tyre for race cars even the default tyre has a harder/softer compound already attached than the one you would use for a race/series. As long as you stay within the racing tyres of R1-R3 range and do not do any more power modifications except oil changes etc. then you are fine. So running a softer racing tyre than the stock racing tyre to a car is legal as long as you do not break the original parameters and rules of submission and the stock car/race car thread.

Anyway moving on this is my submission:

Professional Hall: GT World Championship Races 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10
Car: Toyota GT-ONE Race Car '99 (used black, R2/R1 Tyres) / MR / 700HP / 900kg / 1.3kg/HP / 200 A-spec by mynameissport

Professional Hall: GT World Championship Races 2, 3 and 7
Car: Toyota GT-ONE Race Car '99 (used black, R2 Tyres) / MR / 700HP / 900kg / 1.3kg/HP / 200 A-spec by mynameissport

Vs PAL Lineup 6 after console reset:
Nissan R89C
Sauber Mercedes C9
Toyota 88 C-V
Jaguar XJR-9
Mazda 787B
 
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