Suggestions Box

[Kent]

Just wanted to mention that I am one hell of a picky driver in this game.

If we venture away from the amazing tracks and try running laps on the less-than-great venues, I may have to skip out... Maybe!

Once we get away from the awesome tracks it becomes a car thing for me.
Bad track + great car = acceptable. 👍
Good track + bad car = acceptable. 👍

Combine those two in the wrong ways and you get unacceptable or one of the best races I could ask for.

So, what will it be?
Good car or good track?

I can't say for sure about anything.
However, since we did get a tease about GT mode.

... On GT Mode...
Hotlaps in Practice work best for me.
Also, it might be a good idea to work with a car that can't do certian things in Arcade mode.

Like the DB9 from this week... The GT mode version can drop its weight to 1409kg!!! That's definately worth checking out.

So, if we do go to GT mode, let's try something that can drop weight or tune in a way that can't be done in arcade mode.

Maybe the Toyota Supra RZ '97 ? 1253kg in GT mode and one hell of a match for racing tires when you have the spoiler and roughly 500hp.

Well, regardless of the specifics, I simply ask that we try to use the unique elements of each mode to our advantage for the sake of having fun.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Audi R8 Race Car @ Fuji 90's. Did this as a random combo up at Bobkart's this weekend, it was totally killer!

jump_ace

 

[fasj6418]

Audi R8 Race Car @ Fuji 90's. Did this as a random combo up at Bobkart's this weekend, it was totally killer!

jump_ace

yes, i race with this car fully tuned after getting my supersave, and what a

great car... also those pescarolos would be a nice choice if we going this way...

the supra RZ and also some of those japanese sports cars in GT mode are great with R3 R4 or R5... this combo with the supra would also be great if we could use NITRO, camon guys some week we are going to do a tuner kind of combo, maybe a mitsu eclipse fully tuned with NOS in a city track... really a great choice... lets see what we have in store for week 31...

eclipse, legendary car, should get a week here, and with NOS 👍 like they are on the streets 👍

 

[Tedehur]

Just wanted to mention that I am one hell of a picky driver in this game.

If we venture away from the amazing tracks and try running laps on the less-than-great venues, I may have to skip out... Maybe!

Once we get away from the awesome tracks it becomes a car thing for me.
Bad track + great car = acceptable. 👍
Good track + bad car = acceptable. 👍

Combine those two in the wrong ways and you get unacceptable or one of the best races I could ask for.

So, what will it be?
Good car or good track?

I can't say for sure about anything.
However, since we did get a tease about GT mode.

... On GT Mode...
Hotlaps in Practice work best for me.
Also, it might be a good idea to work with a car that can't do certian things in Arcade mode.

Like the DB9 from this week... The GT mode version can drop its weight to 1409kg!!! That's definately worth checking out.

So, if we do go to GT mode, let's try something that can drop weight or tune in a way that can't be done in arcade mode.

Maybe the Toyota Supra RZ '97 ? 1253kg in GT mode and one hell of a match for racing tires when you have the spoiler and roughly 500hp.

Well, regardless of the specifics, I simply ask that we try to use the unique elements of each mode to our advantage for the sake of having fun.

And that's why the suggestion thread is so important, because obviously the WRS steward simply can't test all possible combinations to spot the most challenging/interesting/funny ones.



BTW, most heavy cars can lose more than 10% weight in GT Mode, and are therefore much more interesting there than in Arcade Mode.
Take a look at the Shelby Mustang or the Tempest GTO for instance...

 

[Electric.......]

How about some serious slowpoke racing?
Daihatsu Midget(the one with three wheels) around Opera Paris,tuned in gt mode.
And name of the race would be "Only Fools And Horses"

Hey,the car is slow even when fully tuned but hey,it's fun(at least for me and my fried up mind)

 

[Tedehur]

How about some serious slowpoke racing?
Daihatsu Midget(the one with three wheels) around Opera Paris,tuned in gt mode.
And name of the race would be "Only Fools And Horses"

Hey,the car is slow even when fully tuned but hey,it's fun(at least for me and my fried up mind)

Chances are extremely low that we ever run with a car under 200 hp.
The Ginetta at Motorland (week 28) was an exception because of the extremely low weight of the car and the short track length.
I guess you have to expect a regular 300 to 500hp for cars of an average weight.

Try the Stratos and say again that a Midget around Opera would be more fun. And then I'll look in the cellar for my M16 (private joke ).


Edit :
Yes !
I managed to write post #666.

 

[Dr_Watson]

updated my spreadsheet to week30 if anyone is interested.
Link

 

[Iceman]

I think sometime it would be nice to run a GT Mode LMP car, something like the Audi R8 on Seoul or other fast track, maybe 4-5 laps. 👍

 

[MinorShunt]

I think sometime it would be nice to run a GT Mode LMP car, something like the Audi R8 on Seoul or other fast track, maybe 4-5 laps. 👍

👍 👍 👍

 

[GTmaniac]

Since there is a word that were gonna do some rallying I would suggest Grand Canyon with any 4WD car(stock power and -10% weight)!
As for other races,multilappers are always much more fun then hotlaps so... 👍

 

[Dr_Watson]

ack... either of the cathedral tracks are ok.. but that grand canyon track is murder.

 

[TheWizard]

I am up for a LMP car, too 👍
Only, if possible, hot lap - or, if it has to be multilap, at least in Arcade Mode, so we can have no tire wear...

That would be my suggestion, not necessarily something that has to be done my way.

Oh, and also, possibly not in a tight, confined track. Taking super-fast cars through city tracks can be quite frustrating...

The Wizard.

 

[Randymcchickenf]

Two laps - Autumn ring mini - anything <300bhp, with N2 tires

 

[Electric.......]

NIsmo Xanavi GT-R on Citta Di Aria. Totaly scary,totaly awesome (atleast for me)

 

[Steve57]

Chances are extremely low that we ever run with a car under 200 hp.
The Ginetta at Motorland (week 28) was an exception because of the extremely low weight of the car and the short track length.
Edit :
Yes !
I managed to write post #666.

Hi Cyril

I have to say reading your quote there about cars under 200HP not being included in
the WRS is a little worrying. Ive just scanned the GT4 Car Quick Reference Guide
and almost 1/3 of the cars in GT4 are under 200HP so thats ruling out a lot of
fantastic drives, and also a very large majority of front wheel drive cars, once above
the 250HP mark all we are left with are MR, FR & 4WD's .
Some cars we may not be driving in the WRS under those guidelines are :

Lotus Elise ...... BMW 120 ...... Mini Cooper S ..... Peugeot 206 ...... Alfa Romeo 166 ...... Renault Clio / Megane ......
Mazda MX5 ...... Caterham ...... VW Golf V GTi ...... Chrysler PT Cruiser ...... Volvo 240 Estate ....... Yada Yada Yada ............

Anyway I'm sure you get where I'm coming from. Its the variety of GT4 that keeps
bringing me back for more, some of these "underpowered" cars are a real
challenge to get the best out of, and need a different style / approach to driving them,
IMO thats what seperates the Grand Tourismo Series from the Need for Speeds of
this world.

One recent outing in the NRS was with a 1974 Triumph Spitfire 1500 with a couple
of mods it worked out to 79BHP on N2 tyres and suprisingly to me this was a hoot
and a half , as a combo it just worked well.( even though it took more than 10min to
do a lap ) .

There is the issue, IMO It all comes down to the "COMBO" get the balance right
and it will work and be fun even with cars with less than 200 HP.

I know I'm probably the lone voice in the woods about this, and you have to please
the majority of racers here as well as yourself, please just dont write a car off
because it has a low HP figure, surely the fun factor must be considered as well.
Thats my point of veiw anyway Cyril, for what it's worth 👍.

Thanks Dude

Steve

 

[Tedehur]

Low-powered cars actually are my favourite cars.
The difficulty is to make a race balanced and interesting.
With a 450hp car, any middle length straight is challenging because the acceleration only lasts a few seconds until you reach the braking point : you have to stay focused on your driving.
Make the car 100hp and you'll find that the straight is way too long and that there is no challenge anymore in finding the braking point because you have 30 seconds to think about it and anyway the next turn almost goes flat out.
Some tracks are not made for low powered cars at all. Let's take Fuji Speedway : it's nice in any car above 400 hp, but use one of the cars you mention 'stock' (Elise, Golf, PT Cruiser...) on it and you'll get bored before you even finish the first lap.

I'm still thinking at some combos using low-powered cars, but I'll only post them if they look interesting and challenging enough. (Like the Triumph on N2 tyres 👍 ).

If you have already tested several combos, just feel free to post them in this thread.

 

[Tedehur]

updated my spreadsheet to week30 if anyone is interested.
Link

Nice job.
I'm using it because my own file doesn't contain all this information.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

http://s12.invisionfree.com/Team_Toyota/index.php?showtopic=190&st=0


Why can't we do a similar race like we're doing there?

A list of cars which ur allowed to use with certain rules, fun all the way 👍

 

[Tedehur]

http://s12.invisionfree.com/Team_Toyota/index.php?showtopic=190&st=0


Why can't we do a similar race like we're doing there?

A list of cars which ur allowed to use with certain rules, fun all the way 👍

That's basically several races since there are several winners.
Except that all races are on the same track and gathered on a short period of time.

The concept looks fine but IMO it belongs to the short races or long races series. The WRS is a series where there is a new race each week and this allows racers not to race for a few time, and come back whenever they want.

However, I already have planned several races where racers will have the choice between a selection of cars. But as usual, only one time will have to be submitted in the end.
Stay tuned, the first one is planned for week 34 or 35.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Oh...


OK, your the boss 👍

 

[fasj6418]

i never suggest anything with normal cars, so...

how about the BMW Z4?

or

the M5?

don´t know if week 33 is rally or NOS week, but just some ideas for the weeks to come...

also, how about a GT1 flashback, with lets say, the 93 calsonic skyline R32 from JGTC, at a track like deep forest... to me looked like i was playing the original GT... altough this car was not on GT1...

at some point, we will race in george paris... if its a theme thing, any french car would be nice, like peugeut 905... or maybe a renault 5 rally car...

well, just some stuff before we get to see what we have for week 33...

 

[Tedehur]

i never suggest anything with normal cars, so...

how about the BMW Z4?

or

the M5?

don´t know if week 33 is rally or NOS week, but just some ideas for the weeks to come...

also, how about a GT1 flashback, with lets say, the 93 calsonic skyline R32 from JGTC, at a track like deep forest... to me looked like i was playing the original GT... altough this car was not on GT1...

at some point, we will race in george paris... if its a theme thing, any french car would be nice, like peugeut 905... or maybe a renault 5 rally car...

well, just some stuff before we get to see what we have for week 33...

Thanks for the suggestions.
Some tips :

• Since jump_ace runs a rally series, it's pointless to race on dirt too in the WRS. Unless I find a killer combo I'll wait until his series is over (january).
• Some 'normal cars' are planned soon, in GT Mode of course.
• George V race is also ready, perhaps for week 35, 36 or 37. It's not a french car so far : I thought it would look arrogant as a frenchman to post races using french cars on french tracks. I'll test some french cars similar to my initial pick and see if they're worth a change.
• I found my first 3 combos rather hard/difficult compared to the average WRS race, so week 33 will be something fast and easy.

...all the above information is correct right now, until I change my mind

 

[fasj6418]

this thread only gets busy before a new race, so...

really looking foward to a race in cyril´s homeland. george paris that being the track we still haven´t race in france...

i think i did only 20 laps or so in this track, would be great to learn, still don´t have the lines there.

just this week, we had the astra touring car in the GC... very nice car, maybe some time we could run this car here...

alsom sometime we could ran with a station wagon/break/van (depending on what they call on your country) like the Audi RS4, or some caldina from toyota... nice in a family cup dãh, stupid joke...

 

[Dr_Watson]

I thought it would look arrogant as a frenchman to post races using french cars on french tracks. I'll test some french cars similar to my initial pick and see if they're worth a change.

but i thought the french were supposed to be arrogant.

 

[VEXD]

Hahahahaha

I think one thing here.

The 905 round george?

Surely opera is ok, but george??????

We need something like the Toyota RSC or the Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac rally car to run george, anything else just doesnt stop, start and stop again quick enough.

Maybe i havent run the track long enough, but i found the nsx concept R fun, and anything else mediocre unless it had full blown rally car pedigree/traits.

just my thoughts.

👍

Thinking about the very long turn round the arc de triomphe or whatever its supposed to be, (forgive me cyril, im english) what about a drift car, that genki silvia would be fun..... hehehe

 

[Kent]

Flat-out, don't sweat the french thing.
I'm an American and had no problems from the racers when I posted a race for 3 American Race Cars on Laguna.

Now on a different subject...
I'm with vexd.

George deserves a nice rally car. 👍
In fact, if I was going to pick one, I think it would be best to do a french/french thing.

206 rally on George V

Some great alternatives though.... (my personal favs among the rallys)
Evo 4 rally car
Evo 6 rally car
Impreza '03 rally car (the newest one)
Impreza '99 rally car (the old 22b model)
Xsara Rally (although I would preffer the other cars on this list)

Other rally cars are just fine as well but those are my personal favs (more or less).
I also suggest the JGTC 300 cars. 👍
They would do well on this course with their great handling and moderate power levels.

 

[Tedehur]

I have no problem with being french, or with french people's reputation.

@ Vexd : this is indeed the "Arc de Triomphe", standing in the center of the "Place de l'Etoile". And you're perhaps closer than me to this place, since I'm living on the french mediterranean coast, almost 600 miles south of Paris.

I keep testing french cars on this track, and I must admit that some of them make interesting combos.

 

[Kent]

I would like to make some suggestions for the "normal cars" to be used in the GT mode races that are coming up (3) and a couple of arc mode suggestions as well (2).

1) Toyota Supra RZ '97
This car doesn't get too much use and in Arcade mode it never has the full potential brought out because of the lacking spoiler.
Add downforce to this car and 500hp feels great on the stage 3 weight reduced base (runs at about 1250kg or less).

2) A NSX battle!
I would say NSX-R '02 but that's not my favorite NSX.
Then I would say my fav NSX, but the Type S Zero '99 is pretty specific and only slightly different from the '97 S zero (if there is any difference).

So a NSX battle much like the Skyline battle that CFM set up way back when the GT4 WRS was just getting started (think it was week 7).

3) Mine's Skyline GT-R R34
One of my favs. 👍
With a pumped up turbo and NOS, this car could easily run Racing tires and not feel out of place.

4) Arcade Mode Amuse S2000 R1
Any track would be fine, but I would like to see the Ring.
The reason I suggest this race is because I ran it the other day and found out that the Amuse R1 is easily faster than the current class leader (the M3).
With a bit of time on this combo there would be a ton of new submissions for arcade databases and in the process, the M3 would be pushed down in standing on the record boards.

Plus, the Amuse is (IMO) the best handling car in the game.
If you ask me, the only Best Motoring that KY and the people at PD watched was Touge races using the Amuse (in which the amuse kicked ass easily).

5) Arcade Mode NISMO SKyline R-tune or Fairlady Z-tune
I would preffer the Z-tune but the R-tune is really nice too.
The R-tune is another one of those cars that could upset the database records by taking higher spots on the board than expected (I've run the arc R-tune to faster Ring times than the in-class competition we used in the WRS- the DB9).
The Z-tune I'm not too sure about... Could be a class killer, could just be a fun ride.
Not sure but in either case it's a great car to run.

Also, both the R-tune and Z-tune are great at full quick tune.
Plus, if you wanted to use them for GT mode, they would both be able to run great laps on any sort of tires (although I wouldn't enjoy N tires for cars like that ).

In anycase, those are just some of my suggestions for cars to use in future weeks.
Hope to see them there but even if I don't, I know that great cars will be picked any way.

Till next time,
-

Btw, notice how I'm doing suggestions mid-week. 👍
Gives flat-out time to actually check out the suggestions rather than just take my word for it.

 

[VEXD]

I dont know where you find all your time Kent, u always seem to be on here, and having come up with such conclusive evidence of these cars and their abilities, i can only assume you have tested them all to destruction.

A true fan of GT.

Im glad to see you back without all the stresses of the WRS on your shoulders, you seem to have more time for reflection, comment, and constructive criticism, rather than popping in an hour after deadline to post the results and the next weeks race as happened on occasion before.

I think your suggestions show merit, and its obvious that time has been spent, but you still omit to include the Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally car or the CZ-3 road version in any of your suggestions.... why is this??

just kidding.

👍

 

[Tedehur]

Thanks Kent for the input.

(1), (2) and (4) have been in my plans since the beginning.
The problem is that I can only post one race per week

Weeks 35 and 36 are ready, I still have to decide what race we will run for Christmas (week 37). I'll make sure I test the other cars you mention by that time.