Suspension for this?

[sumbrownkid]

Not always true. I make $20 a project in tech class, doing people's circuit boards (tormentor project, various circuit boards, etc). I don't get caught, and the teacher knows and doesnt mind it.

That teacher probably understands that the best of us will sometimes use not so ethical means to achieve the goal.

Like Adderall for exams?

Then again, this is the result of an education system relying too much on exams as barriers.

He could be tenured and not really give a 🤬. I had a Chem professor that had his minions do the teaching while he was at his office sipping on coffee and reading the paper.

 

[kk20]

Do UK students pay for collage?

We sure do. 9k a year.

 

[Grayfox]

We sure do. 9k a year.

£9,000 is tasty to a school.

So i doubt they will prevent him from being accepted.

 

[Lizard]

Do UK students pay for collage?

College - Not unless you are over 19.

University. Up to 9k a year. Which is 14k USD.

Oh and the £9000 doesn't include somewhere to live.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Today my friend got suspended from school till Tuesday next week for:

Selling a kid some headphones(turned out to be fakes, which he never knew about)

It was two months and the other kid had sold them on and had not paid him so he messaged him on Facebook stuff like "Give me £40 tomorrow" and sometimes using Caps locks because he needed to pay for a phone.

What happened: This kid, who sells cigarettes, is legally underage for facebook and has not paid for two months gets no punishment.

My friendolice got involved for, harassment,bullying and fraud. Spent a day in isolation and a week suspension from school. Police are making a decision and school are sending the report of to the college. He has good grades and attendance. This will destroy his chances of further education!

4 things the kid should be done for:
Selling cigarettes
Not paying
Selling fake goods
Underage for facebook

Does anyone other than me think this is harsh/unfair? 👎

I'm sorry but this is the very definition of a First World Problem. 👎

Suggesting that this will "destroy his chances of further education!" is total nonsense.

There are always options for further education.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It was two months and the other kid had sold them on and had not paid him so he messaged him on Facebook stuff like "Give me £40 tomorrow" and sometimes using Caps locks because he needed to pay for a phone.

Saying "Give me £40 tomorrow" implies that if the person doesn't pay up, there will be some kind of consequence. The implication of that consequence existing can be interpreted as a threat. Given that this person had not paid what was owed in two months, it is reasonable to assume that your friend had been reminding them to pay for some time, hence the way this was presented as harrassment and bullying.

My friendolice got involved for, harassment,bullying and fraud. Spent a day in isolation and a week suspension from school. Police are making a decision and school are sending the report of to the college.

See the above for the explanation of harrassment and bullying. As for the fraud, you said it yourself that the headphones were fake. That can easily be constructed as fraud.

He has good grades and attendance. This will destroy his chances of further education!

Good grades and good attendance don't count for much. What does count is the way he presented himself as bullying and intimidating someone to pay a debt for a product that was fake. That the product was a fake in the first place would probably be enough to cancel the debt.

And if that "destroys his chances of further education", then he probably should have thought about that before he presented and conducted himself in such a way that the police got involved. After all, the police would not have gotten involved unless they thought there was something to it.

Selling cigarettes

The school cannot take any action against someone unless they have first-hand evidence of it. That means that they cannot do anything about this kid selling cigarettes unless they actually catch him selling them. And even then, they can only do it if he is selling cigarettes on school property.

Not paying

That is none of the school's business. Even if the transaction occurred on school property, the school is not legally responsible for it and is therefore under no obligation to settle any dispute over it.

Selling fake goods

I fail to see how you can reasonably complain about your friend being accused of fraud for selling a counterfeit product, then demand that the person he sold them gets busted for the very same offence.

Underage for facebook

Again, that is none of the school's business.

 

[massradia1]

Saying "Give me £40 tomorrow" implies that if the person doesn't pay up, there will be some kind of consequence. The implication of that consequence existing can be interpreted as a threat. Given that this person had not paid what was owed in two months, it is reasonable to assume that your friend had been reminding them to pay for some time, hence the way this was presented as harrassment and bullying.


See the above for the explanation of harrassment and bullying. As for the fraud, you said it yourself that the headphones were fake. That can easily be constructed as fraud.


Good grades and good attendance don't count for much. What does count is the way he presented himself as bullying and intimidating someone to pay a debt for a product that was fake. That the product was a fake in the first place would probably be enough to cancel the debt.

And if that "destroys his chances of further education", then he probably should have thought about that before he presented and conducted himself in such a way that the police got involved. After all, the police would not have gotten involved unless they thought there was something to it.


The school cannot take any action against someone unless they have first-hand evidence of it. That means that they cannot do anything about this kid selling cigarettes unless they actually catch him selling them. And even then, they can only do it if he is selling cigarettes on school property.


That is none of the school's business. Even if the transaction occurred on school property, the school is not legally responsible for it and is therefore under no obligation to settle any dispute over it.


I fail to see how you can reasonably complain about your friend being accused of fraud for selling a counterfeit product, then demand that the person he sold them gets busted for the very same offence.


Again, that is none of the school's business.

If facebook is not there business, why did they go through all of his facebook hoping to find more on him? He is being done for selling fakes, but the kid who knowingly sold them on is not being charged for it?

 

[Joel]

Because the school gets involved if you make what can be reasonably considered a threat. End of story.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If facebook is not there business, why did they go through all of his facebook hoping to find more on him?

The school has no power to control what happens on Facebook, and nor do they have the power to enforce any laws related to it.

He is being done for selling fakes, but the kid who knowingly sold them on is not being charged for it?

That's a matter for the police to deal with. And the police tend not to broadcast whom they intend to charge with what. Your friend has no need to know what anyone else is being charged with over it, so the police haven't told him.

 

[massradia1]

That's a matter for the police to deal with. And the police tend not to broadcast whom they intend to charge with what. Your friend has no need to know what anyone else is being charged with over it, so the police haven't told him.

The kids parents are constantly informed with the situation about what is going to happen to him about the headphones and never mention anything against him.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The kids parents are constantly informed with the situation about what is going to happen to him about the headphones and never mention anything against him.

Because the kid's parents are his legal guardians.

If they're not "not mentioning anything against him" it's probably because charging him with a crime whilst he is aiding in the investigation of a similar crime is an inherent contradiction. If they are going to charge him with anything, it's unlikely to happen until such time as they have concluded their current investigation.