Sway bars what way to adjust

[Taz69]

Ok so here is another sway bar thread.. I will keep it short. I know what sway bars do in real life so no long winded explination. I just need a short answer. Saying you have a car and you keep the front springs lets just say at 10lbs.. If you increase the front sway bar does that GIVE grip or TAKE AWAY grip??? IF you LOWER the sway bar does that GIVE grip or TAKE AWAY grip. Im trying to figure out as for the game if going larger on the sway bar INCREASES grip or LOOSES grip with th same spring settng.. Or is it messed up like ride height where u go soft on front for more grip and bigger on the rear for more grip. Or reverse where bigger on the front more grip and smaller on the rear more grip. It is a game not real life so I wana know how they work in the game.. Thanks for the reply..

 

[Motor City Hami]

Taz - Welcome to GT Planet. I see that you have a total of four posts, all of them opening new threads about subjects that have been debated at length. None of them are simple, straight up and as easy to answer as you may think. Many, many differing opinions around the tuning forums.

A polite redirection for you.
1st, try searching. Google search is much better than the GTP search. GT5 sway bars in Google will give you many threads from GTP

2nd, you should take some time to read the sticky threads at the top of the tuning forum. Review of those will give you a lot to think about. Then come back and ask more specific questions about what you've read.

Again, welcome to the tuning forums on GTP.

 

[Highlandor]

Taz - Welcome to GT Planet. I see that you have a total of four posts, all of them opening new threads about subjects that have been debated at length. None of them are simple, straight up and as easy to answer as you may think. Many, many differing opinions around the tuning forums.

A polite redirection for you.
1st, try searching. Google search is much better than the GTP search. GT5 sway bars in Google will give you many threads from GTP

2nd, you should take some time to read the sticky threads at the top of the tuning forum. Review of those will give you a lot to think about. Then come back and ask more specific questions about what you've read.

Again, welcome to the tuning forums on GTP.

Listen to Motor City - he speaks the truth...and very wise truth it is, otherwise won't be long before you feel someone's wrath.

Search facility iis your no 1 friend on here - it helps you find stuff like this (seee last post of link):

(Anti roll bars explanation - works very well for me)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=198591&page=2

Best of luck with your tuning..

👍

 

[dr_slump]

Saying you have a car and you keep the front springs lets just say at 10lbs..

10lbs spring?
Fine, now we know how heavy the spring is.

 

[Taz69]

Dr Slump sorry for the misprint but you do know what im talking about right. And guys I did search and found all different opinions.. Like this "Depends on the car. Having a stronger front swaybar will create more understeer, obviously. My personal rule of thumb is that swaybar settings should be inverse of weight distribution. For example, a nose heavy car should have a soft front swaybar and strong rear, and a rear heavy car should have a strong front and soft rear. There are exceptions, of course, but in general this should help correct inherent handling balance issues" Took that from OPPOSITELOCK posted 04/11.. Then there is this reply "It's not about the weight of the car, it's about the drivetrain.

Usually needs:
FF cars - much softer front bar than rear.
FR - softer rear
4WD - I find that I set these even or pretty close to it.
MR - even or slightly harder rear" This was taken from Motor City Hami on 04/11.. And then we have this " I'm rather shocked that spring rate didn't even get brought up until so late in the thread.
Stiff spring, soft bar or soft spring big bar.

Regardless of what bar you use in the front, the spring rate is going to be the largest resistace to body roll. The stabalizer bar helps, but it is, quite ironicly, just to stabilize the transfer; It's not designed to be the tool that prevents the transfer.

I personally prefer softer bars up front, stiffer for the rear.
thats taken from Adrenaline on his post. All is different I drive FR cars a lot and find they push. If Adrenaline is correct softer bar more grip. If Motor City Hami is correct stiffer bars equal more grip. So its not layed out and I was looking for others thoughts. Just neeed to know in general softer the bar the more grip or the harder the bar more grip. Just post a simple harder more grip or harder less grip you dont have to say why you think just what ya think..

 

[Motor City Hami]

Not sure where you got that? I think that's the opposite of what I said in my tuning guide.

 

[dr_slump]

Dr Slump sorry for the misprint but you do know what im talking about right.

Ehm, 10lbf or 10kgf? 10kgf I guess.

Usually needs:
FF cars - much softer front bar than rear.

Much.... not that much, but yeah, could work.

FR - softer rear

If you set the springs stiff, then yes. But equal bars is also very common.

4WD - I find that I set these even or pretty close to it.

Difficult. It really depends and your rule is more a general one for all layouts.

MR - even or slightly harder rear"

Often

This was taken from Motor City Hami on 04/11.. And then we have this " I'm rather shocked that spring rate didn't even get brought up until so late in the thread.
Stiff spring, soft bar or soft spring big bar.

Very important point! Correct (most times).

Regardless of what bar you use in the front, the spring rate is going to be the largest resistace to body roll. The stabalizer bar helps, but it is, quite ironicly, just to stabilize the transfer; It's not designed to be the tool that prevents the transfer.

Hmm, yeah.....

I personally prefer softer bars up front, stiffer for the rear.
thats taken from Adrenaline on his post. All is different I drive FR cars a lot and find they push. If Adrenaline is correct softer bar more grip. If Motor City Hami is correct stiffer bars equal more grip.

You misunderstand that. A stiffer bar doesn't increase grip, but it makes it more stable = better handling.

 

[Taz69]

My bad guys if I miss quote or get something backwards im just trying to get everyones idea.. Motor City Hami you would in general say softer bar little more gip?? Please post a link to your tunning guide..

 

[Poontanir]

Anti roll bars are not as simple as what number to use in relation to front and rear. You also need to take into account the roll rate provided but the springs themselves. Then there is tuning philosophy; Most agree to a soft roll rate on the drive axle (not always needed on low power cars). For all the guides on this forum see my Signature.

 

[praiano63]

There are very good tunes for any kind of cars with high or low settings ARB. I don´t think it is a question of high or low value. Personally i use 95% of the time low ARB settings, like 1/1 -1/2-2/1 .
The only reason is that i always begin to tune a car with low ARB is that low settings will show more the way the car is moving , react to the weight transfer....etc etc.
It´s impossible to have a good tune with low ARB settings and wrong springs and dampers for example the car stay very bad. But it´s possible to hide a wrong springs and dampers settings with a high value ARB, the car is still more or less and you will not feel a bad or good car in your hand...

So after i finish to tune with low settings, and the car work well , no reason to apply higher value. For me it work like this.

Have a good day everybody.