Tattoos. What is your opinion?

[Steele_obsidion]

HA, when I last posted I was going into bodywork.

Now that I am going into German Studies with hopes to work for a German Automaker someday. I am still completely happy with my tattoos. I will have to wear them under a shirt, but that's kind of a given that no matter where I work I would have to do that.

however though I have decided that there are 3 tattoos I want, the first 2 i have designs for, and the third will depend on which automaker hires me lol.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

Eventhough tattoo is against my religion

That is new to me, what religion is that?

Argon lasers.

I had a female friend remove a tattoo on he chest, cost a lot more to remove then to get it and it was not a pleasant experience either.

 

[Famine]

That is new to me, what religion is that?

It would be specifically mentioned in Leviticus, so Jewish - possibly certain Orthodox religions (Greek, Eastern, Russian) and almost certainly Islam too. It's one of the parts of Leviticus conveniently ignored by certain sects of Christianity when they quote the bits about homosexuality.

 

[MadMike'86]

Also Jehovah's witnesses, except they don't ignore any part of the bible

 

[Famine]

They kinda ignore all of it - the central body of JW "interprets" the Bible for its followers and publishes its interpretations in Watchtower, while discouraging JWs from independently studying the Bible themselves.

 

[MadMike'86]

You mean the IBSA.... also that's far from the truth, personal bible study is fully encouraged, the Watch tower is just an aid to study which changes every month to cover different subjects.
They read the bible daily, and not just select texts, the whole thing, Genesis to revelation.
Alot of my friends are JW's, and I have nothing but respect for them, I hate it when people claim things about them in ignorence.

 

[zedextreme8177]

Against my religion, and they look horrible anyways

I'm not against people making modifications to there body, but there is a limit IMHO.

 

[Bhowe83]

I'm fine with small tattoos on parts of the body rarely seen. But when it gets to be where you are covered from head to toe like you're in a metal band, that;s just rediculous

 

[Crumpet]

Just to clarify, can you have a tattoo anywhere?

 

[Bhowe83]

Just to clarify, can you have a tattoo anywhere?

Yes, I'm pretty sure you can have a tattoo on any external part of your body... Including the places where the sun doesn't shine.... I'd imagine that being painful

 

[Crumpet]

Inside it too?

 

[Joie de vivre!]

I would never get a tattoo. I have nothing against them but I just don't see myself as 70 years old man with paled tattoo which would have no meaning at that particular moment.

The stupid tattoos are definitely tribal ones ... what a disaster (i'll get a tattoo. which one? i dunno, a like those weird lines lol)

If someone is getting a tattoo is should have some special meaning to this person.

I like long sleeve tattoo (yakuza style) that ends with very nice Panerai watch

And no it wouldn't matter to me if someone has a tattoo and is asking for a job at my company.

 

[Famine]

You mean the IBSA.... also that's far from the truth, personal bible study is fully encouraged, the Watch tower is just an aid to study which changes every month to cover different subjects.
They read the bible daily, and not just select texts, the whole thing, Genesis to revelation.
Alot of my friends are JW's, and I have nothing but respect for them, I hate it when people claim things about them in ignorence.

It's a Bible study group that has its own translation of the Bible. They're told not to read other translations or other study guides to the Bible, not to harbour their own interpretations or feelings about the Bible and trust only in the interpretation published by the elders.


None of which, I suppose is worse than any other sect. And no, I don't mean the IBSA. I mean the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses and the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures - the Bible of the JW.

 

[MadMike'86]

Funny that seeing as the Kings james version is identical to the new world translation, slightly different wording but same principles from each scripture....

IBSA = International bible students association, a part of the FADSC, which is the governing body.

Elders don't publish material, elders are the shepheards of the congregations, they follow instruction from the FADSC, they certainly don't give their own interpretations.

Another classic example of arrogant misconception, people hear negitive things and believe them as it's easier than doing your own research, which fyi, I have.

Anyway, this probably belongs in the religion thread, so I will leave it there.

 

[Famine]

Another classic example of arrogant misconception, people hear negitive things and believe them as it's easier than doing your own research, which fyi, I have.

Do better research then.

The governing body is called "The Governing Body" (with capitalisation). It's based in New York and consists of seven people (commonly described as a group of church "elders", no capitalisation, though not by JWs themselves as they don't believe in separation of clergy and laypeople in that way). IBSA is a non-profit publishing company operating in the UK owned by the Governing Body - moreover the IBSA is the former name of the Jehovah's Witnesses, until it was changed in 1931 at the will of the then-President of the Governing Body.

NWTHS is not "identical" to the KJV. In fact JW used to use the KJV until a fresh, new translation was made in the 1960s from original Hebrew and Aramaic texts. The names of the translators have never been made known, though it's regarded as a more accurate translation than most with one notable exception - the overuse of the word "Jehovah" (unsurprisingly, given their insistence that the word must be used for proper worship). They're also correct in their lack of celebration of traditional Christian holidays (Easter, Christmas) on the basis that they are co-opted Pagan festivals, because they are (as used by the Roman Empire to gain better acceptance in the provinces of its new religion).

I note you haven't attempted to refute the point that they are told to read no other Bible but the NWTHS and are discouraged from holding their own opinions of or feelings about the NWTHS, instead to accept only the intepretations given to them by the leadership. Moreover there is no provision for them to criticise or question official interpretation or doctrine and they're required to follow doctrine and standards of the organisation or they are shunned by other members. In fact their religion is based on the fact that one should study their Bible in order for God to reveal himself to them - not a shocker, given their origins as a Bible study group...

I can go over more specific beliefs if you wish - their interpretation of God as solitary, the Holy Spirit as his force and Jesus as his son, rather than the more common Christian version of the Holy Trinity (three individuals that are also God), their belief that only Armageddon will solve man's problems, with the chosen 144,000 ascending to Heaven, their belief that the soul is not immortal, their disbelief in Hell, their refusal to sing national anthems or recognise national flags in their belief that it is idolatry or, my favourite, their belief that Non-Witnesses are corrupt and under the influence of Satan and should be avoided. Should be fun for you, knowing that your good friends think of you like that.


Of course none of that is an attempt at discrediting their religion. It is throroughly well-researched information. I've never "heard" anything about JWs in my life - though I've read a lot of their stuff.

 

[MadMike'86]

So much for the leaving it there part

I admit I got the IBSA part wrong, however not all your facts are correct...for example there are more than 7 elders (the govering body consists of annoited elders) and every congregation has a individual body of elders.

I have read their material and it certainly does not discourage people from thinking for themselfs, infact their booklet on evolution contains quotes from numeorous professors, none of whom are JW's and most don't believe in god, the article showed both sides of the fence in remarkable scientific detail, what the reader gleaned from it was entirely up to them.

Infact, nearly all magazines ect I have read refer to other biblical scholors other bibles are frequently referenced, how is that being discouraged to think for yourself?

Also if they believed that everyone was influenced by satan and were evil then surely we wouldn't see them on our doorsteps trying to talk to us.

Anyway, This isn't the place, it's a thread about tattoo's.

 

[Famine]

So much for the leaving it there part

If you're going to accuse another member of "arrogance", you don't get to walk away as if it's fine and pretend you're on a high ground. Particularly when you denigrate their posts, telling them it's misconception while you've done your own research which is correct - until you get it wrong:

I admit I got the IBSA part wrong, however not all your facts are correct...for example there are more than 7 elders (the govering body consists of annoited elders) and every congregation has a individual body of elders.

There are seven "anointed ones" in the Governing Body at present.

I have read their material and it certainly does not discourage people from thinking for themselfs, infact their booklet on evolution contains quotes from numeorous professors, none of whom are JW's and most don't believe in god, the article showed both sides of the fence in remarkable scientific detail, what the reader gleaned from it was entirely up to them.

Infact, nearly all magazines ect I have read refer to other biblical scholors other bibles are frequently referenced, how is that being discouraged to think for yourself?

Their doctrine includes teachings that independent thought is a sin created by Satan (this was published in Watchtower). Watchtower and Awake! contain nothing more than heavily biased articles misrepresenting and mischaracterising science for their own ends (and this is a point of discrediting their religion).

Also if they believed that everyone was influenced by satan and were evil then surely we wouldn't see them on our doorsteps trying to talk to us.

Corrupt, not evil. Also:

"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you all.

 

[Syntax error]

I'll start by saying that I do have a tribal tattoo on one arm and I'm in the process of designing one for my other arm.

The stupid tattoos are definitely tribal ones ... what a disaster (i'll get a tattoo. which one? i dunno, a like those weird lines lol)

If someone is getting a tattoo is should have some special meaning to this person.

Why do you think a tribal tattoo has any less meaning that a tiger, Chinese text saying Honour (which probably actually says something stupid like shopping trolley), a dragon, thug-life on your abdomen, tramp stamp or a butterfly?

I spent a very long time designing my first tattoo. The one I'm currently working has been in the design stage for almost 3 weeks now and I'm not even close to completion.

Just because at a cursory glance it doesn't represent anything to you, does not mean that it has no meaning what-so-ever to the person who has the tattoo on them. Sure it might not conform to the normal methods of symbolism but for me it contains memories of my past, feelings at the time, my freedom to express this how I want and a bit of artistic fulfillment. But you know, whatever, I like those weird lines lol

 

[MadMike'86]

Famine,
High ground?! Since when was this a competition?

Maybe I should be clearer, I don't mean to come across like I'm better than you or anyone else.

The facts I have given are things I have heard from a practising JW of many years, I personally chose to believe what he says about his beliefs than what I read about on google/wiki, I have also read both awake and WT magazines and disagree with you completely on your points about it being minipulated to convene with their beliefs, that however is my opinion, does that make me better than you? No, and I never suggested that.

What you or anyone else choose to believe is fine, to your credit you have researched better than most people, so calling you arrogant was perhaps premature on my part, I based that on 1 previous post so yeah, I apologise for that.

And as for the whole "walking away" thing, no, not really, as a moderator you should know that this wasn't really the place for a indepth religious discussion....

I trust this can be left now without you accusing me of being on the "high ground"

Back on topic, I think tattoo's are a tricky thing too get right, it's very easy to make something look tacky, I don't think I will ever get one, my dad has some and they are now green and runny (if that makes sense?) they look terrible now

 

[Joel]

I don't care, I don't really like tattoos, I can't see myself ever getting one. The only thing I could possibly imagine getting would be the names of my (hypothetical) kids somewhere hidden.

 

[Joie de vivre!]

I'll start by saying that I do have a tribal tattoo on one arm and I'm in the process of designing one for my other arm.

Why do you think a tribal tattoo has any less meaning that a tiger, Chinese text saying Honour (which probably actually says something stupid like shopping trolley), a dragon, thug-life on your abdomen, tramp stamp or a butterfly?

I spent a very long time designing my first tattoo. The one I'm currently working has been in the design stage for almost 3 weeks now and I'm not even close to completion.

Just because at a cursory glance it doesn't represent anything to you, does not mean that it has no meaning what-so-ever to the person who has the tattoo on them. Sure it might not conform to the normal methods of symbolism but for me it contains memories of my past, feelings at the time, my freedom to express this how I want and a bit of artistic fulfillment. But you know, whatever, I like those weird lines lol

you got me wrong there

I was referring to those people who choose tribal tattoos from catalog and think they are just cool

tribal tattoo commonly don't represent special meaning whatsoever

so if those tribal tattoos design by yourself have meaning, than it's okay, you wear it because it has a meaning to you

most people with tribal tattoos don't design them by them self

and as you could read from my post I said that tattoo should have special meaning to that person

 

[Loon]

Inside it too?

Well, we tattoo the inside of the lip often so I suppose that counts.

 

[bladezzz]

you got me wrong there

I was referring to those people who choose tribal tattoos from catalog and think they are just cool

tribal tattoo commonly don't represent special meaning whatsoever

so if those tribal tattoos design by yourself have meaning, than it's okay, you wear it because it has a meaning to you

most people with tribal tattoos don't design them by them self

and as you could read from my post I said that tattoo should have special meaning to that person

I've got a big tribal on my back, not out of a book but also not designed by myself, artists input..
Also got a full sleeve and almost full leg now but no tribal there...

I really don't understand why a tattoo should have a meaning..?
I've only got a rose that stands for my Mother that passed away last year.
The rest is just because I like them (and love the work of the artist) but has no meaning whatsoever..

 

[jagdrag77]

In my opinion, tat's are cool. They are an expression of yourself, so what's the harm in that?

Ha, funnily enough, talking about this. A few days ago I was reading the paper about how the police in Australia might be forced to hide their tattoo's or get rid of 'em altogether! What a stupid government...

On topic, I plan to get a tattoo down the line. I don't know of what yet, but hey

 

[bladezzz]

In my opinion, tat's are cool. They are an expression of yourself, so what's the harm in that?

Ha, funnily enough, talking about this. A few days ago I was reading the paper about how the police in Australia might be forced to hide their tattoo's or get rid of 'em altogether! What a stupid government...

On topic, I plan to get a tattoo down the line. I don't know of what yet, but hey

In a way I can understand that in some functions tattoo's are not wanted..

I'll never do my hands, neck or head and all my tat's can be covered by clothes for situations were they're not appropriate.
A co-worker came on my departement last month to show of his 1st tattoo, 10 by 10cm logo of something.
Does any of you have tatoo's he asked...Then I dropped my pants and lifted my shirt, his jaw dropped (priceless )

I think most co-workers don't even know the amount of tat's I've got, they're for me and are only visible in my free time.

 

[Moglet]

I love them. My girlfriend has 9 (the biggest covering the top half of her back) but I haven't got any as I can't think of anything that I would like enough to have put onto me permanently!