TCV5 HURRY THE HELL UP thread

[Aaron Ware]

is there a lap time shootout style thing on this forum? that would be good or even records or something. but yeah that sucks i wanna race now.(then send u the finished product of days of racing and tuning) but yeah us racing types arent exactly the most patient people.
btw way it still dosent take a genius.

 

[mafia_boy]

You have my spot race challenge thread (click on my sig) where you can set the track, conditions and rules and deadlines. There's also the Spot Race & Lap Time Comparison forum elsewhere in GTP.

But since you say it doesn't take a genius, create a spot race and see how you go.

 

[MinoltaMan89]

I think there should be a class where stock power is required, and then the speed of a car will be dependent on skill in tuning a car's suspension, LSD, and brakes.

 

[Paulie]

Why don't you do a Tsukuba Super Lap contest, with some sort of power to weight classes, and some of the points awarded to the actual speed of the car (what kind of Tsukuba Super Lap would it be otherwise?). From what I can see the real life cars at that event use something like S3s, so there you go, TCV5 problem solvered.

 

[Vince247]

That would be a cool idea, as a seperate subject. Just like the N3 class in the last one. This makes it able to leave the choice to the tuner, which I would personally prefer.

 

[Vander]

How about making it run a little longer and having each drivetrain, with whatever classes are decided, submitted, then tested at 2 predetermined tracks, sequentially. This should give enough time for each person to tune a car, say two or three weeks, then enough time to judge that drivetrain and whatever classes it is divided into, say two weeks. So FF starts in March, tuning then judging, followed by FR in April, MR in May, and AWD in June.

This way judges don't need to worry about testing 30 cars all at once, we can devote more time to each car without worrying about it taking too long. This should also give everyone a chance to tune cars for each drivetrain.

 

[Vince247]

I like the idea. Only when everyone has the chance of tuning everything, we wouldn't have that much judges left, would we?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I like the idea. Only when everyone has the chance of tuning everything, we wouldn't have that much judges left, would we?

Nope!

 

[mafia_boy]

Which brings me back to a dedicated set of judges. Those of us who are willing to sacrifice their performances in some (or all) categories to be able to judge.

Just to be the first on that, I'm willing to sacrifice myself to be a full-time judge for you all so we can continue the TC's. My only suggestion was that we have 4 judges to do 3 scores, that way the 4 judges have a chance to compete aswell and judge eachothers (the competing judge can't judge their own ride, hence the other 3 do it for him/her).

Another positive, there can't be a direct line of fire at a judge if the other competitors don't know which 3 of the 4 judges are looking at their rides. The easiest way is to have the judges total the scores together and let ONLY 1 of those judges (different judge release it each time) release the results to keep the anominity of who judged what.

 

[chiboi800]

How about a qualifying round to determine the 3 contestants for each class? Just throwing it out there.

 

[mafia_boy]

How about a qualifying round to determine the 3 contestants for each class? Just throwing it out there.

We're talking about JUDGES, not CONTESTANTS!! *sarcastic* Oh yes that would be good, only 3 contestants in a Tuner Cup.

Seriously, why the hell would you restrict the number of contestants?? The more the merrier, we always say.

 

[Kurei]

So FF starts in March, tuning then judging, followed by FR in April, MR in May, and AWD in June.

As long as FF is first, I'm good, that's all I'm really looking into for the next round, I'm coming back with a much more potent punch this time around

And talking about judges, I could be a judge in this one, as long as my college schedule allows for the time and internet doesn't go hay-wire (which has been very frequent lately)

(Also, I'm going into High Performance next class !!! )

 

[PF]

How about a qualifying round to determine the 3 contestants for each class? Just throwing it out there.

That would require two rounds of judging, I really don't think it will work, knowing how much time and energy judging takes. Maf's idea of dedicated judges is good, but the rest of the post seems far too complicated.

What if we got four people to volunteer to judge each category (obv they can't enter that category); once the judges are chosen, the tuners can start submitting entries. Howevver, it may be worth restricting the number of entries to 8 per class, or perhaps having two 'pods' if entries are 12 or more. Even 8 cars is a lot to judge, considering many of us don't have time to actually play the game, only slack off at work by posting here.

 

[mafia_boy]

How was the rest of it complicated PF??

• 4 judges. 3 of them score points.
• By having 4 judges doing 3 scores, contestants can't target judges for poor scores etc. because they don't know WHICH 3 out of the 4 are judging their ride.
• Judges can then enter their own ride, the other 3 judges score for the 4th judge.

I'm just trying to allow the judges who are willing to take this job on the chance to have a go themselves. As for maximum entries, it's as I said, a case of 'the more the merrier'. I've never seen a restriction of entries, and wouldn't enter if there was because I know I'm not facing EVERYONE, only a portion of who's available.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I think the current judging setup works well enough in terms of getting people in, although the idea of having a group of competitors judge the cars would work excellently for the bigger classes (ie RWD) where those who would be judging get scared off or have entered.

Now then, track selection is my bigger worry. I don't want to dedicate tracks; that makes it too easy. How about we build the cars to be as good as they can be wherever, then judges pick what track they want to use on a first-come, first served basis? IE someone wants to judge at GVS and they make the first post claiming GVS. For that class, they're the only judge who can use GVS as the main testing ground. Then Trial Mountain gets taken, or Fuji, or whatever, and so on until we're out of judges.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

...well i have really little to add to this discussion. I'll be proud to be a pure judge and won't add a car for review.

As soon as you guys decide what the rules shall be, just send me a PM. I'll be happy to get back into it, assuming the rules aren't too complicated or something. Otherwise, i'll tune out of this discussion for now.

 

[mafia_boy]

I don't think the rules are going to change too greatly from what they currently are Parnelli, it's just the timings for entries, tracks for judging and such that are getting finalised. It's awesome you've put your hand up aswell. We've got 2 judges then, we'd only need another 2.

The 1 judge 1 track plan is a great idea RJ. A good collection of judging tracks for example could be GVS, El Cap, T246 & T.M. Not too long on any circuit (2.40 max a lap) and good combinations of slow, fast, smooth, bumpy, sweeping and tight between them all.

 

[PF]

@RJ: so you mean the judges claim tracks, then when we get 3/4 judges for the class, that class is then open with those tracks as the targets? Interesting idea... do you propose that the organisers set the list of tracks to align with the car types, eg smaller tracks for FWD, longer straights for RWD etc?

EDIT: Don't wanna get excited, but this could be a minor breakthrough, solving (at least in part) both the judging and track-selection issues.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

No, not quite what I was thinking...

I was more pointing to the cars being completed before the track selection process, to rely more on making the cars as good of all-rounders as possible.

 

[in.s@ne]

I like the idea of one class at a time, that way everyone's not flooded with work when all the cars come out.
I also like the idea of one judge per track, that way a majority of people won't test on the same track and so the car should get a fairer go.

 

[Skygrasper550]

so far from what I've read, here's my suggestions, what I do and do not agree on..,

SUGGESTIONS

-drivetrain battle, power classes (i.e. 250hp, 350hp, 450hp, etc.)

-about the anonymous entries, why don't we vote for ONE OR TWO people as chief organizer(s) for TCv5.., all entries will be submitted to them, only they will know which entry is submitted by who, they are the ones who will only post the setups, no one else.., if anyone is to volunteer to become a judge, approach them. of course, the chief organizers can also become contestants/judges, they're the only ones who will have the information on all the entries and judges..,

AGREE

-one category class at a time

DISAGREE

-drivetrain classes (I've had enough with drivetrain categories)
-engine volume classes (2000cc, 4000cc, etc.)
-dedicated track (I like entry cars being versatile, adds to the challenge and really pits the tuners' skills against each other )

 

[mafia_boy]

I like that concept too d24/7 with the chief organisers. Similar to the lines that Sphinx, EDK and the WRS Admin did for GT4 (and do for GT5).

 

[Skygrasper550]

well, a lot of people around here are suggesting for anonymous entries and judges so that there will be no bias, and the "chief organizer" stuff is the only idea I can think of to suit those requests..,

 

[mafia_boy]

Yeah, I'm more along the lines of we know who the judges are but the competitors won't know which particular judge does it, stopping some of the conflict between tuner & judge after a score has been given. But a chief organiser would be instrumental in making this concept work aswell.

 

[Skygrasper550]

Yeah, I'm more along the lines of we know who the judges are

no. the judges should be kept secret as well, to really avoid conflict between tuner and judge.

but the competitors won't know which particular judge does it, stopping some of the conflict between tuner & judge after a score has been given.

yes, exactly the point I'm trying to express.

But a chief organiser would be instrumental in making this concept work aswell.

...and he should never "slip", if you know what I mean..,

 

[mafia_boy]

That's very true on the last point.

I'm thinking chief organiserS, something similar to what the GTP Race Admins are already doing. It can work with only one person doing all the admin stuff (300mph, 400m) but in this case it's better to have a co-operative effort here between atleast a couple of people.

 

[Skygrasper550]

That's very true on the last point.

I'm thinking chief organiserS, something similar to what the GTP Race Admins are already doing. It can work with only one person doing all the admin stuff (300mph, 400m) but in this case it's better to have a co-operative effort here between atleast a couple of people.

yeah, also so that the work is divided, setting up TCv5 becomes faster. as they say, the sooner the better..,

 

[Kurei]

So if I'm reading this right, the 'theme' of sorts for TCV5 is going to be "build a car to the best and fastest it can be everywhere, forget fun and creative"....am I right ?

Practically the same 'theme' we had for TCV4

I liked TCV3 because the focus was on fun and creative handling, not speed, if it's going to continue being this 'fully-built' car comp, I'm not really looking forward to this

What about a theme like no race-grade components allowed, only sports and semi-race parts, or maybe only 1 race-spec component allowed, and everything else has to be sport or S-R ?

And how about multiple entries per category ?, I've got 2 FF's I'd like to enter, but if we're only allowed one then I'll just have to choose one I guess

 

[in.s@ne]

How about if tuners want to enter more than 1 car, we give them an average score across all their cars - run 2 decent cars and it might drag your average up. Run a rubbish one and that average is going doooown

 

[CamryFan]

How about if tuners want to enter more than 1 car, we give them an average score across all their cars - run 2 decent cars and it might drag your average up. Run a rubbish one and that average is going doooown

So you want to test, drive and tune 3 of my FF cars, 4 of my rear drive vehicles and 2 of my AWD vehicles within a certain frame of judging bare in mind I'm not the only person who would enter. Doesn't sound all that good to me.