Teenagers Kill Baby

[W3H5]

You're asking me questions, as if to provoke me? I already said I've left this topic and won't comment anymore. If you'd like to talk about fluffy bunnies and how cute finger painting by kids is, be my guest, VM me.

Don't assume because I ignore (or just didn't reply as the case is) your post I agree with it, I just don't have the temperament right now to trust myself to remain calm in the face of a debate.

Sorry, it's not you, it's me.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I agree, but even when people argue the case of an eye for an eye, it only makes the situation as a whole worse.

You execute one but endanger many other innocent lives with the message that you are putting out. Punishing people only pushes them further from being part of society, when somebody no longer has anything to lose, losing their freedom or their life is a small cost.

Give them hope and something they couldn't stand to lose - like a life where they feel valued and worth something - and murdering someone won't even cross their mind.

Executing criminals is so old-fashioned that it's a joke to suggest it's a viable punishment, like locking mentally handicapped people away in asylums.

EDIT - Shem, I didn't mean that the death rate in your country goes up, but the murder rate (of innocent civillians) does. Soldiers are a different story and we could argue that on a case-by-case basis all day long, all depending on which wars/conflicts you think were just and which were unjust.

You think those kids had any idea of what the value of life is? Because if they did they wouldn't have shot and killed a baby in front of the mother in public.

Dude not even Gandhi would forgive this. Blood must be owed. Their lives are now forsaken.

Trust me, the other inmates will carry out their "justice" in the showers.

In Saudi Arabia they'd be lopped off by morning.

 

[nealcropper]

Blood must be owed.

I am not even going to start on this comment.

 

[Spoil-t]

It's almost as if you guys like the murder rate so you can cheer on the executioners LOL

Murder helps control the population.

Trust me, the other inmates will carry out their "justice" in the showers

Some guys like that. Being raped in a shower but with me it wouldn't be rape.

 

[W3H5]

Not to offend, but it's well known that Gandhi slept in a bed with just-pubescent girls so he could test his restraint. Let's not make a roll model of a guy like that.

/Oh, what have I done now....

 

[arora]

EDIT: this thread goes fast, this is a response to diamond

There ya go 👍

I've been meaning to add that whatever crime a man commits he no longer is afforded the luxury of paying for that crime in full and walking away with a clean slate, he pays for it for the rest of his life, leading back to you what you just said. Lame.

He'll end up back in the penal system which is full of cruel and unusual punishment imo, that is why I support the death penalty.

I look for answers in education and social change. There should be no reason for a man to feel a need to resort to such heinous acts, none. As I have said, there will always be a criminal element no mater what we do. Lets get it as small as possible, and if we cannot rehabilitate and re integrate, if we cannot have any compassion, then kill off the bad part as a cancer and hope for the best.

But ffs lets not breed and create the criminal for our own amusements.

 

[W3H5]

 

[MoLiEG]

My god...

Those kids are animals. They should be killed like animals... with a gunshot in the head...

No need to feel sorry for them... they are just stealing air from others...

 

[sumbrownkid]

Not to offend, but it's well known that Gandhi slept in a bed with just-pubescent girls so he could test his restraint. Let's not make a roll model of a guy like that.

/Oh, what have I done now....

Role model you mean.

And that was whatever back then, girls got married really young during his time.

Still nasty though in my view.

 

[nealcropper]

There ya go 👍

I've been meaning to add that whatever crime a man commits he no longer is afforded the luxury of paying for that crime in full and walking away with a clean slate, he pays for it for the rest of his life, leading back you what you just said. Lame./QUOTE]

This I agree with, although in a different context.

He'll end up back in the penal system which is full of cruel and unusual punishment imo, that is why I support the death penalty.

You think that instead of overhauling the penal system we should just murder all the convicts?/QUOTE]

I look for answers in education and social change. There should be no reason for a man to feel a need to resort to such heinous acts, none. As I have said, there will always be a criminal element no mater what we do. Lets get it as small as possible, and if we cannot rehabilitate and re integrate, if we cannot have any compassion, then kill off the bad part as a cancer and hope for the best.

But ffs lets not breed and create the criminal for our own amusements.

I agree, there is someone wrong with society, as a whole, on all levels.

To describe people as a cancer is awful, just awful. Yes, what these people are doing is horrible and unforgivable, but to end their misery in jail is not the answer. Look at the USA. You have the death penalty and still have a very high murder rate, it doesn't work.

I don't know what would work, but it's obvious that the death penalty doesn't,

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

You think those kids had any idea of what the meaning of life is? Because if they did they wouldn't have shot and killed a baby in front of the mother in public.

Dude not even Gandhi would forgive this. Blood must be owed. Their lives are now forsaken.

Trust me, the other inmates will carry out their "justice" in the showers.

You think those kids felt that they were worth anything? You think they had much to lose in this situation? I doubt it. Executing people isn't exactly a great way of demonstrating how precious and valuable life is.

You'll all call me a crazy buddhist hippy weirdo for saying this, but i'll say it anyway - forgive them for they know not what they do - the murderer likely doesn't appreciate how valuable life is because his life has never seemed valuable. I'm making assumptions here, but i'd wager that he comes from a rough area, a broken home, or a similar situation. I'd also wager that he feels like a misfit that doesn't fit into society, and doesn't feel valued as a human being. But that's just me.

Oh, and wishing rape on people? Very tasteful.

 

[arora]

It's not just you

 

[Encyclopedia]

Absolutely dispicable. I see no use in sinking to the murderers level though, I hope they get looooong prison sentences and grow a conscience. Now that would be a proper punishment.

 

[W3H5]

Absolutely dispicable. I see no use in sinking to the murderers level though, I hope they get looooong prison sentences and grow a conscience.

But if these people are psychopaths, by definition, the concept of conscience is warped and cannot be changed.

 

[arora]

A conscience is seldom grown in our prisons, quite the opposite in fact.

 

[nealcropper]

But if these people are psychopaths, by definition, the concept of conscience is warped and cannot be changed.

Who said anything about psychopaths? If they were, then they will be sectioned under the mental health act.

 

[Encyclopedia]

But if these people are psychopaths, by definition, the concept of conscience is warped and cannot be changed.

Yes that's true. If they're not capable then they're not capable. Still no reason to sink to their level though. At least not in my opinion.

 

[arora]

My guess is not psychopaths, but Shem is right.

I'll go out on a limb and guess that Encyclo is not one that is down with a torture style prison sentence either.

 

[Ranman20]

Horrible. I hope they die, slowly.

So the people who don't want to encourage violence are going to encourage people to die slow. Yeah real nice of you.

 

[sumbrownkid]

You think those kids felt that they were worth anything? You think they had much to lose in this situation? I doubt it. Executing people isn't exactly a great way of demonstrating how precious and valuable life is.

You'll all call me a crazy buddhist hippy weirdo for saying this, but i'll say it anyway - forgive them for they know not what they do - the murderer likely doesn't appreciate how valuable life is because his life has never seemed valuable. I'm making assumptions here, but i'd wager that he comes from a rough area, a broken home, or a similar situation. I'd also wager that he feels like a misfit that doesn't fit into society, and doesn't feel valued as a human being. But that's just me.

Oh, and wishing rape on people? Very tasteful.

Who said anything about rape? I was thinking a shanking happening. Most of the times it happens in showers. Thank you my neighbor who spent time in the prison system for telling me that.

Forgiveness is something between them and the mother, and God (if they so choose to believe). I appreciate your outlook that we should all forgive each other, but sometimes a transgression is too unforgiving.

Sometimes the compassion the Buddhism has to be set aside to rectify what has been done. From my Islamic view, the only way he can be forgiven is if he asks for it, the mother gives it, receives compensation (blood money) and then be put to death.

And no amount of rough livelihood should drive a mere teenager to kill a child in public. I don't believe that one bit. I don't care that they felt like garbage or had esteem issues. That's not an excuse to murder a baby.

 

[nealcropper]

Who said anything about rape? I was thinking a shanking happening. Most of the times it happens in showers. Thank you my neighbor who spent time in the prison system for telling me that.

Forgiveness is something between them and the mother, and God (if they so choose to believe). I appreciate your outlook that we should all forgive each other, but sometimes a transgression is too unforgiving.

Sometimes the compassion the Buddhism has to be set aside to rectify what has been done. From my Islamic view, the only way he can be forgiven is if he asks for it, the mother gives it, receives compensation (blood money) and then be put to death.

And no amount of rough livelihood should drive a mere teenager to kill a child in public. I don't believe that one bit.

I think it's important to remember that this started out as a theft. Obviously it escalated massively, and without cause.

 

[W3H5]

...and God...

I highly doubt God was in these peoples mind's when the decided to shoot a baby.

As for rehabilitation, do they deserve it? Would that not just be them accepting the guilt of what they have done and coming to terms with their crime making?

Discuss.

 

[Encyclopedia]

My guess is not psychopaths, but Shem is right.

I'll go out on a limb and guess that Encyclo is not one that is down with a torture style prison sentence either.

No I'm not. The government shouldn't be doing that sort of stuff. No one else either.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Once he started saying what the mother reported, and then actually pulling the trigger multiple times, robbery is now just an added offense to what is attempted robbery, attempted murder, murder on this criminal report.

 

[nealcropper]

I highly doubt God was in these peoples mind's when the decided to shoot a baby.

As for rehabilitation, do they deserve it? Would that not just be them accepting the guilt of what they have done and coming to terms with their crime making?

Discuss.

I never mentioned rehabilitation. They should be put in a prison and stay there, and be reminded of what they have done on a daily basis, for as long as they live. Death is too good a way out.

 

[arora]

Forgiveness is something between them and the mother, and God (if they so choose to believe). I appreciate your outlook that we should all forgive each other, but sometimes a transgression is too unforgiving.

This is something that always interests me, in this case it's the mother but it could be anyone.

While I believe the law of the land should prevail I see no reason not to take her opinion into consideration. Not today or tomorrow, some time in the future. The crime was committed against her after all, not us. Of course there is the safety of society at large, thus the law superseding.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I highly doubt God was in these peoples mind's when the decided to shoot a baby.

As for rehabilitation, do they deserve it? Would that not just be them accepting the guilt of what they have done and coming to terms with their crime making?

Discuss.

Many of these criminals suddenly believe in the light of god after being in the system. Strange how that works...

I don't think that boy will come to terms to what he did. Nor do I think the mother will either.

Man is this too depressing, I'm gonna log off and go to memebase.

 

[arora]

As for rehabilitation, do they deserve it? Would that not just be them accepting the guilt of what they have done and coming to terms with their crime making?

Discuss.

If rehabilitation is not an option then we are only left with death imo.

And no I don't think it sends the wrong message to the masses either, it's not like a substantial amount of people will say, he got away with it, his rehab was easy, now he has a job. I think I'll go do some stoopid crime now to get ahead.

I will never buy into the vengeance mentality, like ever.

BTW been a while since I posted a silly song to go with my posts so here we go.

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[Ranman20]

Too expand. This happens everyday all over the world. This isn't the worst news in the world. Not saying we should not care but aren't there kids getting murdered everyday by parents and family. When wars happened nobody cared about the little kids dieing. The government only cared about who's winning the war. This world is sad and we can't fix the whole world.

 

[Pako]

Maybe MarinaDiamandis is right. In my heart I know he's right, but the easy solutions is to react in anger when it is fear and sadness that we really feel. It is clear that there is far too much hate and not enough love for our society. As a society we are full of unresolved conflict and [care bear moment] feelings of inadequacy and not feeling loved. [/care bear moment] Maybe if we spent more time loving people until it hurts, we could avoid seeing this kind of thing on the news, on GTP, and in our neighborhoods.