Tell us about your Nations and Manufacturers race

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I find the points pretty representative of the overall skill and pace of drivers and they do more or less give you an idea of how well you're doing against everyone else (not only against the 19 people you raced against) . And it will be more stable given enough time so everyone has his or her adequate DR. Also, I have fun while on track racing, not looking at points. If I'm fast and everyone on my lobby is fast, I'll have fun. If I'm slow and everyone in my lobby is slow, I'll have fun. If I'm fast and everyone is slow, I won't have fun. If I'm slow and everyone is fast, even less fun.

They don't really though do they.
How can I tell if someone on the leader board with 500 points has won races in lower classes or lost races in higher classes? Maybe they only took part in one higher up race and finished last versus a guy who won every race he entered from pole but was in a lower class? How can you say that the guy who lost a higher class race us better than a guy who won multiple lower class races? You can't really can you.
The points system might as well be completely random for all the sense it makes.
 
I find the points pretty representative of the overall skill and pace of drivers and they do more or less give you an idea of how well you're doing against everyone else (not only against the 19 people you raced against) . And it will be more stable given enough time so everyone has his or her adequate DR. Also, I have fun while on track racing, not looking at points. If I'm fast and everyone on my lobby is fast, I'll have fun. If I'm slow and everyone in my lobby is slow, I'll have fun. If I'm fast and everyone is slow, I won't have fun. If I'm slow and everyone is fast, even less fun.

None of what you said matches up of what I've heard from you on this forum last week or so
 
To the D drivers complaining about points. I have been lucky enough to work myself up to a high B and have been able to just barely run a quick enough lap to get placed in the top tier rooms where i immediately get housed by all the aliens and finish in the way way back but still bring in a healthy points haul.

If i were to be placed in the lower rooms i am quite confident i could win easily with gap to spare most times. With that being the case i would personally expect more points for 18th in the top room than for 1st in a lower room. Took more effort to get there. I had to prove myself over a long period to earn the opportunity and some of the drivers ive been paired against are absolutely untouchable. When you recognize 5 people immediately that are in the top 10 stars and 3 former gt academy finalists including a champion you are in rare air and its an honor just to be the caboose.
 
They don't really though do they.
How can I tell if someone on the leader board with 500 points has won races in lower classes or lost races in higher classes? Maybe they only took part in one higher up race and finished last versus a guy who won every race he entered from pole but was in a lower class? How can you say that the guy who lost a higher class race us better than a guy who won multiple lower class races? You can't really can you.
The points system might as well be completely random for all the sense it makes.

I think coming up last against 19 of the fastest in your region and getting 500 points definitely means you're faster than someone who won a race against slower people. If you were better and faster than the guy who finished last against the fastest in your region, why aren't you racing against them and racing against slower people instead? The guy who finished last can still have a total race time lower than that of the guy who won against a slower field.

None of what you said matches up of what I've heard from you on this forum last week or so

Citation needed.
 
To the D drivers complaining about points. I have been lucky enough to work myself up to a high B and have been able to just barely run a quick enough lap to get placed in the top tier rooms where i immediately get housed by all the aliens and finish in the way way back but still bring in a healthy points haul.

If i were to be placed in the lower rooms i am quite confident i could win easily with gap to spare most times. With that being the case i would personally expect more points for 18th in the top room than for 1st in a lower room. Took more effort to get there. I had to prove myself over a long period to earn the opportunity and some of the drivers ive been paired against are absolutely untouchable. When you recognize 5 people immediately that are in the top 10 stars and 3 former gt academy finalists including a champion you are in rare air and its an honor just to be the caboose.

I feel the same way. I’ve never played online before GTS so it’s a steep learning curve. I’m a low A/S. It’s always an honor to finish 12th-15th-18th with the fast guys. Seeing my car on their YouTube channel is nice too ;)
 
So they will not count the points awarded yesterday:

http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/news/00_5254264.html
That's what they say, but not what they have done (so far). I entered the Manufacturer's Race last night with my Porshe, but was put in the Nations Cup race at Mount Panorama. Obviously, the four of us with Gr.3 cars in the race had an easy time, helped by the start-grid parking lot (search for "ruined" to find replay in-game).
Points for the Manufacturer are being shown again, but my points from last night's race are being shown in Nations Cup results... my interpretation of the announcement is that round 6 should be annulled for everyone.
 
Citation needed.

You said you didn't want enter One race because you were two seconds off the pace and you thought you would be a safety hazard, when in reality you probably just didn't want to be that slow.

And you also refused to go into another race because you didn't want to give people who might have beaten you 'free points' so you do care about points

I just find it funny that fast drivers like yourself come on here and tell everybody how winning doesn't matter and they should be happy running in the back of a pack or two or three seconds off the pace or receiving puny points for winning in a lower group when it's obvious you wouldn't be satisfied or happy with such a situation
 
In my opinion there should be a world ranking for every class..like S/A B/C D/E ...

Matching criteria: Driverrating and Sportmansrating... so S/A - S matching only with each other... and for this category..the highest in gt sports u have a own ranking..like in B/C and D/E

And at the end there is the Overall World ranking.... but its ok that a guy who wins a S/A Grid get more points than someone who wins B/C because the strenght of field there is higher then in other races.... in my opinion
 
You said you didn't want enter One race because you were two seconds off the pace and you thought you would be a safety hazard, when in reality you probably just didn't want to be that slow.

What I wrote:

Skipping Mount Panorama as I hate FF cars and I'm not confident enough on the track. Barely did 2:16 laps so I'm 2 seconds off the pace of my usual competitors. I don't want to risk ruining someone else's race so I'm staying out.

So, I was 2 seconds off the pace and was not comfortable enough around the track, meaning I was still missing breaking points, apexes, etc. Also, I've entered plenty of races where I was slower but steady and confident, not winning but having fun racing other people for 6th or 7th position (or lower even). If you're not consistent and you don't know the track you won't have any fun racing wheel to wheel.


And you also refused to go into another race because you didn't want to give people who might have beaten you 'free points' so you do care about points

That's not the quote though. This is the quote:

Nations Cup. No way in hell I'm going to enter a race with an undrivable and boring car like the i3 and literally give other people more points due to my current DR. It would probably be a bumper fest too.

"too" referring to this this.

So, the points part was in the aftermath of having a race spoiled while I was 3rd and again when I was 10th just the day before. And I stand by that. I don't appreciate being rammed off track and seeing those guys not getting penalties / rewarded with points - because if the penalty system was working properly they wouldn't finish in the position they did. They should be DNF. And I defend that for myself as well. If I rammed someone off track and got DNF that would be fair.

EDIT: Maybe DNF for multiple bumps off track. But for sure a DT penalty.

I just find it funny that fast drivers like yourself come on here and tell everybody how winning doesn't matter and they should be happy running in the back of a pack or two or three seconds off the pace or receiving puny points for winning in a lower group when it's obvious you wouldn't be satisfied or happy with such a situation

No. What I've said is I don't think it makes sense to give the same points to someone who won a race against DR D drivers, on a race of 20 minutes to someone who won (or fight for it) against the faster DR A/S drivers, on a race of 15min. Or to the guy who finished last, with a total race time of 17 minutes. It doesn't makes sense.

Online, competitive games are not a place where every one wins the same. That's impossible. It doesn't happen in any other competitive game. Why would it happen in GTS?

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But all this that you brought up has nothing to do with what we are discussing in this thread - faster drivers who finish last against the best getting more points than slower drivers winning against slower drivers. I simply do not think it makes sense to give the same points for a win regardless of pace and who you're racing against. I don't think that drivers who push others off track should get any points at all. This is not me caring about getting points, it's a criticism of the penalty system in general.

I also don't like how easy it is to get SR S. Or the way the BoP is unbalanced for some cars. Or the weird penalty system. But each one of those things is a separate issue.

@MINKIHL I think it doesn't work because the DR and especially SR are so flexible. As it was already mentioned several times, you would see a lot of sandbagging from people lowering slightly their DR so they could go from position 9563431 in the X ranking to 1st in the Z ranking. Then, winning a race, they would go back to X. and so on... this happening every day on every DR class, because everyday there are people dropping and climbing DR/SR class (often in the same day, often the same person).

edit: Missed my Nations Cup race while writing this post. :D No problem. I'll have dinner with some friends and then go out to listen to Steven Pinker live! A one in a million chance, since I'm in Portugal. ^^ Again, I couldn't care less I don't get the points for this race.
 
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Nations Cup:

Too much traffic. I qualified in 9th.
Someone took me off track at the second turn. I dropped some positions, and got stuck in the middle of a war. Every time I tried something, some overly aggressive defender would get me penalized. I finished in 15th, covered in shame.

Manufacturers Cup:

I made sure I had enough free space in front of me before starting my lap.
Qualified in 3rd. Someone spun just in front of me. I lost a place, then got it back, and overtook the 2nd. When I was trying to be faster, so I could reach the first place, I spun. Again, covered in shame, I finished 4th.

I got really upset. I’m even considering reavaluating my goals in this game.

It gets really frustrating when people are turning GTS into Destruction Derby...
 
Last 2 videos from me of todays races. Not sure if I'll be doing test season 2 and if I am I won't be uploading and sharing videos anymore since I need to save some time somewhere..


The seventh and last round in test season 1 of the FIA GT Nations Cup, racing with the GT by Citroën Gr.4 at Tokyo Expressway East Inner Loop. The start was ridiculous, again a car got stuck for whatever reason (looked like he got hit but nothing was there) so the whole field of cars piled up, hitting eachother. And it just started the race like that, some cars even had damage to the wheels and engine and ofcourse many lost positions for a lot of people. I luckily gained one but it wasn't the best start obviously. The race then went pretty good up untill the point where I was 4th for a lap already and pretty much out of slipstream range of the group behind me. Somehow one of the drivers behind me still managed to not find the brakes in time and hit my car hard into the side. My race was pretty much gone after that since I couldn't really focus anymore, kept making mistakes and losing positions.



The seventh and last round in test season 1 of the FIA GT Manufacturer Series, racing with the Subaru WRX Gr.4 at Nurburgring GP. Qualifying went horrible once again, only setting a time good enough for 12th position. The race however was pretty nice, had a few nice battles but overtaking was quite difficult. One battle even costed me a place to the driver behind but it was great fun though. Just not many points in the end. ;)

 
@Lord Protector @Firehuntah That was Lightning's connection :lol: Says he's only been having issues with it in the FIA races for some reason which sucks.

Yeah that's quite bad for him then and many others who seem to be having issues with just these FIA races. Probably because they use dedicated servers to host these races, unlike the daily sport and open lobby races. The servers definately aren't working well though. :P But this issue with the rolling start isn't just in the FIA races, had it happen in sport races and in open lobbies as well. They really need to change the way the AI behaves during a rolling start. Now if one car gets stuck the whole grid gets piled up because they want to stay in position.
 
Finally a good 2 events... Nations I decided to race smart so I got pole, a few contacts here and there but the minute 1 guy got into first and we had a small gap bumper drafted him so we could get away.... Worked! However I suddenly forgot where my brake marker was without the slipstream so broke to early 3 laps in a row losing 2 seconds, clawed a bit back but couldn't do more.

Manufacturers I'm pretty sure I was on the limit of pace in that thing, even nearly managed a rank top 10 time in the race lol. Ran slightly wide turn 1 lap 1, but top 3 kept it clean had a good battle then I managed to pull away and take the win. I guarantee that was the highest (based on strength) a Lamborghini has ever finished as Nurburgring GP suits my driving style so well. Does anybody know if we get to see the results of the first test season tomorrow?

Also the FWD cars are crazy fast in a straight line it's crazy!
 
@Lord Protector @Firehuntah
Here's my version of the race yesterday



Oh my, that looks even worse than it did on our screens. :lol: Does make sense what happened then, you actually did get hit though it's indeed caused by lag on your end. They really need to change this, one person lagging shouldn't be able to influence a race start as heavily as this. Ghosting the cars during rolling start would help in this case but for others where a single car just gets stuck it wouldn't take away the main issue. The following cars still wouldn't want to overtake since they're programmed to hold position. Thing is though, I've never seen this kind of behaviour in the rolling starts in the closed beta. Maybe it's the swerving that they do to 'heat up' the tyres? That's the only thing that's changed really.
 
Hi everyone... just joined gtplanet... After entering 5 races in last weeks championships... and doing the first round of season two... I have a few questions and observations regarding GT Sport if anyone can make sense of them...

What view are people using? What controller are you using? What driver aids are you using? Are you driving manual or auto?

I use cockpit view all the time, drive with a T300 Alcantara, the only aid I use sometimes is traction control (on 1 or 2) for some FF, FR, or MR cars... and always drive manual.

I mention these things... particularly the view, because I don't think many people are using cockpit view... and don't realize that in some cars, you can't see any mirrors... even when you adjust the cockpit view settings. So be aware... that not all contact is on purpose or a result of a driving error.

Also... the points don't seem to make much sense... I was in B/S races before... and this week in D/S races (after experimenting in daily races with a lot of different / unfamiliar cars)... So both tonight's races I was D/S... Nations Cup I finished second and scored 142pts... Manufacturers I finished 5th and scored 153pts... :/ Anyone make sense of that?

BOP seems really messed up on some cars.... you see 1/2 of lobby's using Volkswagen VGT, Viper or Megane etc... in the Bathurst race the other night I was in a Lancer and was giving up about 15-20km/hr on the straights, but still managed to make up positions elsewhere via track knowledge.... luckily a bloke in an Aston decided to follow me through the field and bump draft me on the straights... so that helped... but there was still no way in hell the lancer was a match for Vipers etc... Are there posts somewhere regarding BOP that someone can steer me towards?

Cheers!
 
Most sports have divisions, and teams/players are ranked within their own divisions. They only compare within their own divisions, not outside them.

Sure, Chesterfield get 3pt for beating Crawley, just the same as Chelsea get 3pt for beating Manchester United, but Chelsea are three divisions higher. Their 3pt isn't comparable to Chesterfield's 3pt, even though it seems the same numerically. And George Russell gets 25pt for winning a GP3 Series race, just as Lewis Hamilton gets 25pt for winning an F1 race. They're the same numerically, but incomparable as one is two categories higher than the other.

Think of Driver Rating as divisions or tiers. If you're a D-ranked driver beating other D-ranked drivers, you're better than other D-ranked drivers. You're not better than S-ranked (or A-ranked, as there aren't any S-ranked drivers in circulation that I can tell at the moment; perhaps a handful?) drivers, until you're an S-ranked driver beating other S-ranked drivers.

As driver ranking is highly mobile, drivers are moving between divisions on a daily basis, so rather than giving a D-winner 25pt and an S-winner 25pt, PD simply scales the race results by the strength of the field. Winners in races where drivers average an S ranking get more points than winners in races where drivers average an A ranking, who get more points than winners in races where drivers average a B ranking, and so on down to D/E ranking.


If you want more points, set a top twenty practice time and be S-ranked for SR. That'll get you into the higher divisions where you score more points.
That rather depends on what you think the point of the online races, and specifically the FIA events, actually is.

The purpose of Sport Mode and DR is to rank you according to how fast you are. The purpose of the FIA Nations/Manufacturers events is to rank you according to how fast you are compared to other people from the same nation or who like the same manufacturer. That's pretty much it. If you're a D-ranked driver and you're beating other D-ranked drivers, the answer is "not as fast as S-ranked drivers who are beating other S-ranked drivers".


The points system actually seems to use the same basic method as the DR ranking system. Essentially that means that the higher you qualify and place against higher quality fields, the more you progress. That's how the FIA points system works too, only it gives you a score you can see, rather than a progress bar you're guessing at (but which has a score behind it that you can't see).

I think that SR limits DR, but I don't have enough information to be any more precise than to say it seems as though you can't increase DR above C unless your SR is also above C (but then everyone starts at SR B, so that shouldn't be a problem, and you can hit SR S inside five races). If you're quick enough, you can rattle up to DR B in just ten races.

But even as a DR E driver, you can drive against DR A drivers. I've done it myself. Just get your SR up to S (it's remarkably hard to lose it - it took me three disqualifications for 90s+ of penalties from shortcuts and wall-riding to go from S to B) and set fast qualifying/practice times. If you can't, you're not fast enough to race against DR A drivers.

I do agree about the tiers and different leagues, but GT Sport doesn't have that, say like Football. Yes you have all the leagues with the lower teams in lower leagues, and they can rise us the leagues and eventually get to the top. So if they did it like that then I can kind of agree, have a winner of each rank, the rank you are at the beginning of the season is the one you have the entire way through. But still a win should be a certain set points, 2nd gets the same and so on. You can't choose who you're up against so it's a bit unfair if you end up in a slower lobby to the then earn less points.

I feel GT Sport is more like say, the champions league, teams get randomly put into groups, the winners progress, and so forth. In the end you have two teams who are the best playing for the overall win of the championship.
You could end up in a really tough group, but your win still equates to the same of another team winning in an easier group, it's the luck of the draw. Means you sometimes end up with teams getting further than realistically they should.
Same could happen in GTS, you could end up with a C driver in an A race later down the line in the season, never know what could happen, he could be consistent and beat a lot of people.

I just feel that it does't feel right or realistic to basically get a random number of points depending on what difficulty of race you get put in. I would rather have been put in a harder races then as I won 3 of my Nations races with 500-600 points per win, where I could have come 7th, say 10th and gotten more points?

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I had some fun, and some glitches, I had some issues that were "my" own fault as we'll. I had just upgraded to a T300RS from a T150 when in one race the T300RS died mid race. I had to finish the race with a DS4 which I had never used for racing before. So I finished the race last and was lapped. That was not fun. Another race I got a real poor qualifying time due to people blocking me in qualifying. I found this to be very poor sportsmanship. The last few races were good, clean racing for the most part, great battles etc. Then... This happened.

The race went to the wrong track, and we were kicked out a few times, finally they let the race happen, but it's a mix of Gr.4 and Gr.3 cars. I'm sure others experienced this as well, but I'm not sure if they experienced what I did... The race starts and it looks very odd, but I some how end up in first of the pack. Okay whatever. I take off and I come around the end of the straight and what do I see.... The entire grid! I weave though them and keep on going. I don't want to exit and take an SR and DR hit so I finish the race. Then I get into the lobby and everyone is calling me names saying how poor of a sport I am. I'm like... I just raced this race myself lol. I talk w/ another racer send him my replay and he puts this together for me! It looks like everyone else that raced saw me and I was just hamming everyone. What I see comes into the video around the 4 min mark along side what everyone else saw.

 
Some players in SR S are an absolute joke:



Such players shouldn't be allowed to participate in FIA events, just my opinion.
It wasn't a nice end to the season.

Even more ridiculous, he didn't even receive a penalty for his actions.
 
I was placed with B aliens on today FIA Cup ( after getting top 5 so many times on yesterday Gr3 at Alsace Village.

And those top split contented registering sub 2 minutes at Nurb GP and I only manage to hit 2:01 just for few times. Same thing happened at Suzuka Gr4.

Just imagine if DR:B that fast, how to compete with true alien at DR:S ?

Love #gtsport just for this..so I can accept that aliens really exists.
 
Some players in SR S are an absolute joke:



Such players shouldn't be allowed to participate in FIA events, just my opinion.
It wasn't a nice end to the season.

Even more ridiculous, he didn't even receive a penalty for his actions.


That’s clearly worthy of a race ban ;) Unsportmanlike behaviour.

I finished 15th with a pace similar to yours against some aliens and fast guys. I was spun at turn one but I almost got hit by someone who clearly forgot to use his brakes. It was a ramfest. Never hot an ounce of draft in qualy and in the race. It felt pretty lonely out there getting places back as the crazies where at work ruining other drivers’ race.
 
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