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Tesla Cybertruck, Roadster, Semi delayed, focus shifts to self-driving and Optimus robot
Tesla won't launch any new vehicles in 2022, though the company is hopeful it can in 2023.
Tesla Master Plan: Part Deux
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Cybertruck "owners" club...
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Musk is, or has been, doing a little bit of what Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes was doing, and by that I mean her criminal fraud. Part of the task of all CEOs is to set a mission that maybe isn't quite yet delivered on, but will be, and basically stake the company on delivering on that mission. Especially early on, it's how companies work. If you wait until you've got every last kink worked out, you won't have the money to achieve the goal. To an extent, it's all about selling the vision of what the company is expected to do, eventually, when all of the kinks are worked out and the technology is built.
The difference between Elizabeth and Musk, is that Musk plays slightly closer to reality than she did. But you know who plays closer to reality than Musk? Most other car companies. It's all well and good to pretend that you can invent a bunch of tech you haven't hammered out (like full self driving, new battery tech, etc.) and sell it for peanuts. But Musk doesn't actually know if he can deliver on that (and it looks like for 2022 he can't). He's selling a dream, which can become a reality, but it isn't one yet.
I think the cybertruck jumped the shark a bit for him. Taking pre-orders for something you ultimately can't deliver on sounds an awful lot like theranos. How's everyone feeling about their tesla stock?
The difference between Elizabeth and Musk, is that Musk plays slightly closer to reality than she did. But you know who plays closer to reality than Musk? Most other car companies. It's all well and good to pretend that you can invent a bunch of tech you haven't hammered out (like full self driving, new battery tech, etc.) and sell it for peanuts. But Musk doesn't actually know if he can deliver on that (and it looks like for 2022 he can't). He's selling a dream, which can become a reality, but it isn't one yet.
I think the cybertruck jumped the shark a bit for him. Taking pre-orders for something you ultimately can't deliver on sounds an awful lot like theranos. How's everyone feeling about their tesla stock?
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Musk is a liar, a shyster, a bully, a con man, and if his story was put in the context of a Bond film, probably a psychopath and master villain .. but not a cool one like Max Zorin...
... but the cult is faithful ... I'm sure TSLA will be solid for a good while yet.
"Almost all input is error, now let me put a chip in your brain and fly you to a place where my law is the law, and AI robots can replace people. Now, pay me a deposit on something I can't make to fund it all..." - eLoon Musk... probably.
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All stocks are down right now so you can't really blame anything Tesla or Musk are doing on it being down.
But then again he's everyone's favorite person to hate so he could sneeze too hard and the economy would crash. I find it hilarious how much people hate him, like he killed their first born or something.
But then again he's everyone's favorite person to hate so he could sneeze too hard and the economy would crash. I find it hilarious how much people hate him, like he killed their first born or something.
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I don't know if this is aimed at little bit at me, but I'll answer for myself. I don't hate musk. I actually think he's a pretty interesting and weird person. I do think that he oversells, and the way he oversells is borderline intentionally manipulative.
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There's a surprise.
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Unfortunately Tesla is so far ahead of the rest of the industry that they could be the shadiest company on the planet and still have the advantage. That probably won't last forever but they're multiple years ahead when it comes to their charging network and they're basically the only company with a viable semi truck on the horizon. I think the pickup is a mistake and they really did miss that boat but other than that they're in such a good position that Musk basically doesn't care anymore. Maybe that's a problem with total market dominance.
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I don't hate him, he has no impact on my life. I hate people like Boris Johnson, because he does... but, Musk appears to be a fairly scummy person, he is a liar, his actions are that of a con man, he clearly has personal and social issues, and is credited for achievements he hasn't earned. Even if I loved Teslas, and was a massive SpaceX fan, there's no way I would ever defend his behavior, because I don't need a cult of personality within corporations I like or respect, to like or respect them. It's been observed that I'm quite the BMW fan, but I don't go around defending or making excuses for the behavior of the Quandt family in the 1940's the way the Tesla cult lines up behind their supreme leader and excuse everything he does... it's not hilarious, it's weird.
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Maybe you should stop reading the media headlines and try to find other ways to see him in a different light than the typical BS the news beats up. People love to hate on him because he's successful and doing A LOT to advance us into the future. We need more people like that. More CEO's that interact with the consumer. Someone can ask him to make a change to something on a Tesla on Twitter and he'll agree and do it? You see Ford or GM doing that? More people with an actual sense of humor. People need to lighten up.
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It is no secret Tesla has played a fundamental role in getting electric cars to be as desirable as they are today and probably earned the 'pioneer' tag.
As for leader of the EV market, that varies depending on territory, with charging infrastructure playing a key part in this. Tesla probably still has a significant advantage in North American territories with the supercharger network and bespoke charging ports. In Europe, charging ports are universal and Supercharger compatibility with most modern electric vehicles is a few clicks away, with some stations already enabling this feature as part of a pilot. They could arguably be a leader, but not for much longer.
With that said, phishing for attention is always the wrong way to go about recognition... But it is in line with the standards expected from Tesla stans.
As for leader of the EV market, that varies depending on territory, with charging infrastructure playing a key part in this. Tesla probably still has a significant advantage in North American territories with the supercharger network and bespoke charging ports. In Europe, charging ports are universal and Supercharger compatibility with most modern electric vehicles is a few clicks away, with some stations already enabling this feature as part of a pilot. They could arguably be a leader, but not for much longer.
With that said, phishing for attention is always the wrong way to go about recognition... But it is in line with the standards expected from Tesla stans.
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Speaking of Tesla leading the industry, apparently their lawyers finally realized that their cars were intentionally programmed to break the law, and now they've forced the company to issue a formal recall to save their ass.
Nice! Like I always say, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. I'm pretty sure we had a discussion recently about how well this would turn out and we all decided it wasn't going to turn out well. We were right.
Tesla Recalls 54,000 Cars With FSD Beta for Rolling Through Stop Signs
Nice! Like I always say, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. I'm pretty sure we had a discussion recently about how well this would turn out and we all decided it wasn't going to turn out well. We were right.
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Depending on whether the UK parliament decides to take on board the recommendations of The Law Commission, they may also turn out to be intentionally marketed to break the law too...
Level 2, like Tesla Autopilot, is not self-driving, it is monitored driving. L5 is the only self-driving tech, with L4 a mix depending whether the car is in an approved area and if the driver has chosen to use self-driving modes.
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I would be impressed if Biden mentioned Nikola Tesla in an unrelated comment sometime in the next few days.
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The online petition is pathetic, while Musk's bitching isn't. If you only listened to how they angle the whole EV revolution thing you wouldn't know Tesla existed, meanwhile Tesla is by far the biggest reason EVs made a comeback. Tesla does deserve all the credit and praise for it. It wouldn't be an issue if Biden didn't care about EVs, or didn't call others, like GM, pioneers, leaders or whatever else. It just reeks of corruption.
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