Tesla Model 3 General Discussion

[kikie]

Somewhat - Tesla produced 50k cars last year and had to do some serious ramping-up to achieve that. Hitting the 200k reservations so far (provided those 200k people actually go ahead with wanting a Model 3) will take some serious doing.

I think he referred to the maximum capacity of the factory. They're nowhere near 500.000 a year atm. Total production for 2015 was 17.400.

No, he literally said that the Fremont factory has made almost 500,000 cars a year in the past.

 

[homeforsummer]

No, he literally said that the Fremont factory has made almost 500,000 cars a year in the past.

It has not. I'm pretty sure Tesla hasn't yet made half a million cars in total, let alone in a year.

Wiki suggests just over 100k Model Ss in total so far, and Model X is nowhere near that.

 

[Blackbird.]

It has not. I'm pretty sure Tesla hasn't yet made half a million cars in total, let alone in a year.

Wiki suggests just over 100k Model Ss in total so far, and Model X is nowhere near that.

If this were true 880 (the freeway alongside the factory) would be clogged at all times with all the trucks transporting them. I see Model S and Model X all the time on my commute be it driving or on a truck being shipped somewhere. I pass by the factory literally every day. They're not producing 500,000 units per day. Not a chance.

 

[kikie]

It has not. I'm pretty sure Tesla hasn't yet made half a million cars in total, let alone in a year.

Wiki suggests just over 100k Model Ss in total so far, and Model X is nowhere near that.

That means that Elon Musk is lying or my English is so bad and I misunderstand every word he said.




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[homeforsummer]

They're not producing 500,000 units per day. Not a chance.

Per year. But they're not doing that either.

 

[YSSMAN]

No, he literally said that the Fremont factory has made almost 500,000 cars a year in the past.

Historically speaking, NUMMI peaked at 468k per year, under management of GM and Toyota in 2006. Back when it was just GM as Freemont Assembly, it would have maxed out somewhere near 370k. Assuming they (Tesla) could meet or exceed their current Q4 2015 production of 17,272 year round, that'd maybe factor out to 80k units annually...

We can chalk production issues off to battery availability, quality issues, and design problems, but there simply isn't enough time to get everything off the line as quickly as they need to at the moment. As it stands today, potential Model 3 buyers are going to have a hell of a time getting their hands on one.

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

That means that Elon Musk is lying or my English is so bad and I misunderstand every word he said.

What he said was that the factory, when running at full capacity will be able to make 500.000 cars a year.

 

[kikie]

What he said was that the factory, when running at full capacity will be able to make 500.000 cars a year.

No, no, no. that is not what he said. EDIT: but that is probably what meant to say (other car brands as well).


I'm not saying that Tesla produced 500,000 cars (I even have problems believing that) but he, and I'm repeating and quoting, "our Fremont factory in the past has actually made almost 500,000 cars a year". Or did he say almost 500,000 parts a year?

And the youtube clip shows this text:

Or maybe the Fremont factory produced almost 500,000 cars a year but not exclusively Teslas. Maybe he was talking about other car brands as well (in the past).
That must be it.

 

[homeforsummer]

Or maybe the Fremont factory produced almost 500,000 cars a year but not exclusively Teslas. Maybe he was talking about other car brands as well (in the past).
That must be it.

See @YSSMAN's post. Tesla bought a facility that previously operated under Toyota and GM, who made various different vehicles there and approached the 500k figure.

Tesla has the space to ramp up to half a million a year, but they haven't yet done so, nor are they likely to do so for a good few years to come.

 

[kikie]

See @YSSMAN's post. Tesla bought a facility that previously operated under Toyota and GM, who made various different vehicles there and approached the 500k figure.

Tesla has the space to ramp up to half a million a year, but they haven't yet done so, nor are they likely to do so for a good few years to come.

I don't have to look at @YSSMAN 's post, I found out myself.

And you are repeating what I already said in my previous post.

 

[Omnis]

It has not. I'm pretty sure Tesla hasn't yet made half a million cars in total, let alone in a year.

Wiki suggests just over 100k Model Ss in total so far, and Model X is nowhere near that.

Thanks YSSMAN for posting that for me. Antony straight jumping people on here.

The Fremont space can handle 500k cars per years. But, as it stands, the Tesla working area within that factory is relatively small. Most of the factory that they own is just empty floor space.



Everything is packaged into robotic, modular assembly stations. They just have to build out the factory as they grow.

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

After letting the impressions of the car sink in for a couple of days, I've now decided I'll be putting down a deposit come summer - when I get my vacation leave money. I just can't find a deal where you get so much car for such a relatively low amount of money.

 

[kikie]

After letting the impressions of the car sink in for a couple of days, I've now decided I'll be putting down a deposit come summer - when I get my vacation leave money. I just can't find a deal where you get so much car for such a relatively low amount of money.

You have no problem with the monitor that replaces the dashboard?

Just being curieus.

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

You have no problem with the monitor that replaces the dashboard?

Just being curieus.

I think we'll see some changes to the interior in the final production car compared to what we saw in the reveal cars. But even if they go with just the one big screen, the fact that it'll have a Heads Up Display as well will probably make it feel less weird.

 

[kikie]

I think we'll see some changes to the interior in the final production car compared to what we saw in the reveal cars. But even if they go with just the one big screen, the fact that it'll have a Heads Up Display as well will probably make it feel less weird.

Heads up display? Didn't know that. That is actually good news.

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

Heads up display? Didn't know that. That is actually good news.

Looks like I may have jumped the gun a little on that one. Trawling the net I didn't find any actual confirmation on it (although I could have sworn it was mentioned at the launch, must be my imagination). Although I wouldn't be surprised to see it at least as an option.

Found this rather interesting article in the process:
http://electrek.co/2016/04/02/tesla-model-3-instrument-cluster/

Apparently what we where shown was an "engineering prototype". A proof of concept if you will, meaning the technical aspects of the car is nowhere near finalized. Much can change.


Edit:
On the same site I came across an article on an AMA session Elon had on Twitter. Lots of tantalizing info.

http://electrek.co/2016/04/03/model...ction-ramp-dashboard-trunk-and-more-updating/

 

[kikie]

Aha, the Model 3 is still a concept.. There could still be changes in the final model.

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

Aha, the Model 3 is still a concept.. There could still be changes in the final model.

Yep! According to one of Elons tweets on his AMA session, the exterior is still being tweaked. There is still hope for a faux grille.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Reservations at 276,000 and counting.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/04/tesla-model-3-pre-orders-reach-276000.html?m=1

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

Reservations at 276,000 and counting.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/04/tesla-model-3-pre-orders-reach-276000.html?m=1

God I hope they decide to crank that gigafactory to 11 when they start making it. Otherwise people will die of old age before they ever get their car.

 

[kikie]

God I hope they decide to crank that gigafactory to 11 when they start making it. Otherwise people will die of old age before they ever get their car.

Or the battery technology will be much better that the Model 3 becomes obsolete.

 

[CodeRedR51]

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/04/tesla-model-3-will-be-rwd-awd-5k-option.html

• RWD standard, AWD will be a $5k option
• Steering wheel is not final, per Musk: "Wait until you see the real steering controls and system for the 3. It feels like a spaceship."
• Front "grille" may change: "some tweaking is underway” and “edge and contour refinement is ongoing".

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

According to Elon the AWD option should be less than $5k (although $4999 would technically be under 5k ).

 

[mustafur]

Chances are i'll be buying one, but im not putting an order on one untill I have proper pricing. Stuff ends up alot more in Australia sometimes and i just want to make sure it's not far off, I would expect it to sell here for around 50-60k AUD for the base model.

 

[Crash]

The Fremont space can handle 500k cars per years. But, as it stands, the Tesla working area within that factory is relatively small. Most of the factory that they own is just empty floor space.



Everything is packaged into robotic, modular assembly stations. They just have to build out the factory as they grow.

Thanks for posting a quick video tour of their factory. Interesting to see how they set up the production line and are building cars.

 

[AudiMan2011]

Reservations at 276,000 and counting.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/04/tesla-model-3-pre-orders-reach-276000.html?m=1

They're just not going to be able to build them anywhere near fast enough to cater to so much demand. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a minimum 18 month waiting list.

 

[CodeRedR51]

They're just not going to be able to build them anywhere near fast enough to cater to so much demand. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a minimum 18 month waiting list.

Someone commented on Autoblog or somewhere else that Tesla should purchase the Mitsubishi factory that's going under and use it to double their production.

 

[homeforsummer]

Someone commented on Autoblog or somewhere else that Tesla should purchase the Mitsubishi factory that's going under and use it to double their production.

I'm not sure that's really necessary. Their issue isn't the size of the factory (Fremont can theoretically handle half a million cars a year, as Musk quotes), rather the actual hardware to build the cars. Having even more floor space wouldn't really solve that.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Mitsubishi's factory is also in Illinois. I think part of Tesla's logistics package is the adjacency/proximity that the gigafactory has to the main assembly plant, 263 miles by road. I'm not sure if there is an available rail-freight corridor, but that could work even better, potentially.

 

[SHDante]

It looks like the French Energy Minister wants to offer Tesla the Fessenheim nuclear plant. http://electrek.co/2016/04/05/tesla-alsace-nuclear-plant/