The 20 tracks issue is really bugging me

Zathra5_
I think that your logic is faulty here. You are assuming that the current tracks will not have more variations. There is at least one more commonly used Daytona Road variation (shorter bus stop). I'm sure that there are more Fuji variations (weren't they present in GT4?). Also both London and Eiger were rumoured to have longer versions. That would add 2 more variations for each of those tracks.

I really don't think we can conclude much from what we have heard so far. Its too easy to lose things in translation. 20 tracks with 70 variations sounds to me to be the most likely situation but for all I know it could be 20 photomode locations and 70 tracks. I don't like the idea of calling a country a location. To me a location is much smaller. Tokyo would be a location. But then again, I don't know how it was translated.
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I am aware that there could be more variations per tracks, all I am doing is taking into account the current Known tracks & variations. You can easily insert the other tracks such as London & Eiger Nordwand layouts, still have to many variations. So far it has not clearly been interpreted that a location & a country are being referred to as the same. Again where here shooting in the dark, going round in circles. If it's 20 tracks then it's 20 track, but if you add to the sentance variations then you have to do the math.



There will be over 20 locations and 70 tracks,

The way that I am counting Courses & Layouts, are as follows:
Daytona Speedway is a Course, Daytona-Oval & Daytona-Road Course are Layouts
Grand Valley Speedway is a Course, Grand Valley Speedway & Grand Valley East is are Layouts
and so on



In my example below i am figuring for 20 Tracks & 70 Variations,

Tracks
Tracks seen in GT5P, Demos & E3 Videos, Modeled to GT5 Standards

1. Circuit de la Sarthe
2. Daytona Speedway
3. Eiger Nordwand
4. Fuji Speedway
5. High Speed Ring
6. Indianapolis Speedway
7. London
8. Norburgring Nordschleife
9. Rally Toscana
10. Suzuka Circuit
11. Top Gear Test Track?
12. Tokyo Route 246
13. Tskukuba Circuit
14. Madrid?
15. ?
16. ?
17. ?
18. ?
19. ?
20. ?


Appox. 8 Tracks remaining


Variations

1. Circuit de la Sarthe with chicanes
2. Circuit de la Sarthe without chicanes
3. Daytona Speedway - Super Speedway
4. Daytona Speedway - Road Course
5. Eiger Norwand
6. Fuji Speedway
7. Fuji Speedway - GT
8. High Speed Ring
9. Indianapolis Motor Speedway - Oval
10. Indianapolis Motor Speedway - Road Course?
11. London
12. Norburgring Nordschleife
13. Rally Toscona
14. Suzuka Circuit
15. Suzuka Circuit - East
16. Suzuka Circuit - West
17. Top Gear Test Track?
18. Tokyo Route 246
19. Tskukuba Circuit
20. Madrid?
30. ?
..
70. ?


Approx 50 Variations remaining

Using approx 8 Tracks remaining with 50 Variations remaining, that would leave 6.25 variations per each remaining Tracks.


:):)
 
Regnar: I know where you are coming from but I think it is better to go by the 3.5 variations per track overall. Which I would agree is quite high. From possible variations of the tracks we already know you can quickly knock off some of the 50 variations remaining.

London reverse
London long
London long reverse
Eiger reverse
Eiger long
Eiger long reverse
Daytona road used for the Rolex series
Top Gear half figure 8
Top Gear runway only
Tsukuba bike track

I've knocked another 10 off of your 50. There's also multiple variations of Nurburgring and probably the others.

edit: yes I realize that eiger long and london long aren't confirmed.
 
Just don't remember previous GT releases being as confusing, & I have been on GT boards for almost 10 years.

And just to make it a liitle more confusing, the Japanese web site is now posting "more than 20 locations, more than 60 variations" :crazy:

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/news/

Vehicle Rollover 👍 is now mentioned, I used Google Translator, take that with a grain of salt.
 
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1. Circuit de la Sarthe
2. Daytona Speedway
3. Eiger Nordwand
4. Fuji Speedway
5. High Speed Ring
6. Indianapolis Speedway
7. London
8. Norburgring Nordschleife
9. Rally Toscana
10. Suzuka Circuit
11. Top Gear Test Track?
12. Tokyo Route 246
13. Tskukuba Circuit
14. Madrid?
15. ? = Test Course
16. ? = Grand Valley
17. ? = Trial Mountain
18. ? = Deep Forest
19. ? = Special Stage R5 or R11
20. ? = Apricot Hill or
Laguna Seca or
Monaco or
another rally track or
Top Gear

Remember Forza 3 claims well over 100 tracks, when in reality it has only around 30 unique circuits

The steps:

1. Denial (Alot of you are here)
2. Rage/Anger
3. Acceptance (Im here)
 
Earth
Remember Forza 3 claims well over 100 tracks, when in reality it has only around 30 unique circuits
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And it has half (even if more varied) the number of cars - so if GT won't at very least have the same number of unique tracks as FM3, I'd have to say T10 did a better job on choosing the content.

Also - "Rally Toscana" listed as a one track? Now that's some bull, I'd be really bashing PD if all we get will be just a few useless rally tracks, similar to those in GT2 (also there are ice courses in GTPSP, so...).

I just want some clearer info, because this one is either innacurate/too cryptic, or just pure ripoff (and I don't want to believe the latter).

Masi_23 - if those 70 tracks were all unique (either rally or tarmac circuits) - I'm with you, bring it on :).
 
Possibility A

Counting all tracks from GT4, TT, GT5P, announcements and the weather thingy *** in Prologue:

- 55 venues (includes Tuscany)
- 73 variations (counting 1 Tuscan track)
- 14 countries
- 8 fictional locations * (stuff like Deep Forest, Grand Valley, etc.)

If you count countries as locations, that makes 22 locations, 73 variations.
Possible ? Not many new rally tracks then.


Possibility B

If you do not include the (never confirmed) "weather thingy" tracks:

- 46 venues
- 63 variations
- 12 countries
- 8 fictional locations *

This makes 20 locations, 63 variations.


Possibility C

20+ photo locations and 70+ actual tracks.



* Maybe those all exist in a fictional "Polyphonyland" and count as 1 location.
In that case, count the countries as locations.

*** The list:

Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
Circuit Zolder
Shanghai International Circuit
Circuit de Nevers (Magny-Cours)
Autodromo Nazionale Monza
Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari (Imola)
Autódromo do Estoril
Circuito Permanente de Jerez
Brands Hatch
Silverstone Circuit
 
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Even if we do figure out what the 20/70 thing means, PD has another 6 months to change their minds again.

At this point all we can hope for are good interviews with Kaz at TGS.
 
I just hope they at least get monza, spa, rome night, rome circuit, and red rock..... all there is to do now is wait. AND I HATE WAITING!
 
Hey, I dont know if this was already mentioned here, but something catched my eye when i played prolouge couple of minutes ago.

Ok, the new feature list stated, that we would have around 20 locations, right? When u take a look at the mainscreen in gt5p, u can see a world map and this... uaaahm weather radar (sry for my bad english^^). the world map has several red dots... each one represents one city. hm, there are about 18 red dots in that map, do u think that these places are the locations?
 
20 tracks. END OF

or maby 80.

or maby
Possibility A

Counting all tracks from GT4, TT, GT5P, announcements and the weather thingy *** in Prologue:

- 55 venues (includes Tuscany)
- 73 variations (counting 1 Tuscan track)
- 14 countries
- 8 fictional locations * (stuff like Deep Forest, Grand Valley, etc.)

If you count countries as locations, that makes 22 locations, 73 variations.
Possible ? Not many new rally tracks then.


Possibility B

If you do not include the (never confirmed) "weather thingy" tracks:

- 46 venues
- 63 variations
- 12 countries
- 8 fictional locations *

This makes 20 locations, 63 variations.


Possibility C

20+ photo locations and 70+ actual tracks.



* Maybe those all exist in a fictional "Polyphonyland" and count as 1 location.
In that case, count the countries as locations.

*** The list:

Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
Circuit Zolder
Shanghai International Circuit
Circuit de Nevers (Magny-Cours)
Autodromo Nazionale Monza
Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari (Imola)
Autódromo do Estoril
Circuito Permanente de Jerez
Brands Hatch
Silverstone Circuit
 
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"The game will feature over 950 cars, 20 locations, and 70 tracks."

copied and paisted strait from the live blog of the sony presser

thats 20 photomode location and 70 race tracks

b
 
I really, really, hope it is just 20 photomode 'locations' - BUT, is the quantity of photomode locations available really news in the same league as amount of cars and tracks?

It's a bit like announcing
* 950 cars.
* 70 tracks.
* Car wash with 5 levels of shampoo, wax and blow-dry.

Photomode locations are not a selling point.
 
TheCracker
I really, really, hope it is just 20 photomode 'locations' - BUT, is the quantity of photomode locations available really news in the same league as amount of cars and tracks?

It's a bit like announcing
* 950 cars.
* 70 tracks.
* Car wash with 5 levels of shampoo, wax and blow-dry.

Photomode locations are not a selling point.
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While Photomode is much cooler than I thought it would be in the begining, the reason I think it's not likely referring to it is that it's just out of place. I would think photomode locations would be in it's own bullet point.
 
I don't even understand where the confusion comes in.
Brands Hatch = 1 Location
Brands Hatch GP
Brands Hatch Indy
Brands Hatch something else
all = 1 location, 3 tracks.

so assuming it's exatcly 20 locations and 70 tracks, (though they said +) you can expect 20 race tracks, with an average of 3.5 variations of those tracks, to total 70 tracks, but only 20 different "locations", "locations" clearly meaning - Silverstone, Spa, Brands Hatch, etc, etc.

but knowing Sony, PD, and Kaz, It's all BS anyway, because that's what they do, BS the living crap out of us, over and over again, that's what they've done the past what? 10 years? or is it 8?
 
Fruitcake
Wut?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=138
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It's not likely to attract the casual gamer teetering on the edge of wondering whether to buy it or not. It's not going to gain column inches in car magazines. And it's now such old hat as a car game feature, having been in GT4 for getting on 5 years now and every other car game since then that 'new' PM locations are just taken for granted.

If new photomode locations are one of the main 'major advancments' PD have offered us up at the TGS, then i have few hopes for the final game.
 
The lack of clear info is quite aggravating... where are all those who kept saying how TGS was going to answer our questions and certainly it would all be cleared up?
 
Kazanski
do we even have a tracklist yet? was the only thing they annouced was the release date for Japan?
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Well even the release date is a target date, notice only the month was announced not a specific day.

:)
 
Yea, 20/70 is not any better than 20/60. GT4 had I think 50/100 ratio and GTPSP 35/70, so for GT5 to be worst doesn't make sense. I'm so bummed there wasn't any real clarification on this from TGS.
 
No, it says locations. Locations.
To me, a city or country is a location.

If they really do mean tracks...

1. Eiger
2. London
3. High Speed Ring
4. Fuji
5. Suzuka
6. Daytona
7. Nürburgring
8. Tuscany
9. Indianapolis
10. Madrid
11. Top Gear
12. Le Mans
13. Tsukuba
14. Tokyo R246
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

6 open spots. Grand Valley, Midfield, Deep Forest and Trial Mountain surely have to be in ?
And what about Autumn Ring and Apricot Hill ?
But then what about New York, Seoul, Hong Kong, Seattle, Paris, Amalfi, Aria, Monaco ?
Cathedral Rocks & El Capitan ? Grand Canyon ?
The night tracks in Tokyo. The rally tracks in the snow.
Oh and let's not forget Laguna Seca, Infineon and Motegi.

At least 15 of those wouldn't be in ? :(
 

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