The bad and the ugly.

[Zero_angel]

As I said, where you would absolutely expect to see reuse of work would be in the modeling/rendering... yet we see standards and premiums of almost exactly the same cars... it makes no sense that when a premium is made all similar models aren't also brought up to premium instead of left standard. But yet it happened...

And as for actual in game use, it's not that I don't understand the theory behind sharing data between assets, the question is does the format of the assets allow for it and/or do they choose to take advantage of it.

It's entirely possible that for some reason every car must have an entire cars worth of info wrapped up in one file and cannot pull from another. So while two vettes might look almost exactly the same, the file structure might mean each car has to contain every piece of data and can't "look into" another cars data to pull assets that are similar.

While it makes sense form a space saving perspective, it could well make the coding very messy to do this. Not saying it can't happen, but things like this are possible.

So while Joe Moderling might model one base model vette, then use that to create 8 other vettes that are almost the same effectively creating 9 vettes in less than twice the time it took to make the original base model, it doens't garauntee that the resulting models data files will have any space savings... it could be that each of those vettes is a full 20MB (or whatever) size.

I didn't say anything about space saving what im saying is the time it takes also you can make another folder whit the same code and its changes and also wen i said the 6 months i said it as in the person only doing 1 car none stop. Really the only way they pulled the 200+ premiums was by using the same models for certain cars. Im not bashing GT i love the game to the end im just being realistic also remember that japan is years ahead in technology that in any other place in the world check out folding@home a normal pc would take 30 years to make the movements the PS3 can do them in full 3d models ins tally. They might have found a away to use the same models whit different details without causing any errors or problems you never know everything is possible specially in technology.

 

[Sephy]

check out folding@home a normal pc would take 30 years to make the movements the PS3 can do them in full 3d models ins tally.

Could you explain this bit a little more because I think I am misunderstanding. My PC folds faster than my PS3. I think most do.

 

[Zero_angel]

Could you explain this bit a little more because I think I am misunderstanding. My PC folds faster than my PS3. I think most do.

Here is the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoMHnKMD_Aw

 

[FlourescentBlak]

It would defeat the purpose behind Kaz's vision of the GT series to be a virtual automotive museum, to allow people to drive vehicles they wouldn't normally get the opportunity to--whether it be the most humble of sub-compacts, to the most powerful of out-and-out racing cars.

I understand Kaz's vision and he is likley doing premium cars as efficiently as he can for whatever the final idea is for this generation of game engine and hardware lmitations. IE: GT6+

I would just rather have a premium Toyota MR2 I could buy used to start the game with over a VW van I might not even get into at all.

 

[Sephy]

a VW van I might not even get into at all.

Don't lie you can't wait to take that thing out on the 'ring.

 

[Sum1s2pid]

I understand Kaz's vision and he is likley doing premium cars as efficiently as he can for whatever the final idea is for this generation of game engine and hardware lmitations. IE: GT6+

I would just rather have a premium Toyota MR2 I could buy used to start the game with over a VW van I might not even get into at all.

Understandable, but it's a Samba!

Don't lie you can't wait to take that thing out on the 'ring.

Great minds something something...

👍

 

[Devedander]

I didn't say anything about space saving

I thought you were from back when you said

Plus DLC and updates are saved to the HDD not to the game disk

japan is years ahead in technology that in any other place in the world check out folding@home a normal pc would take 30 years to make the movements the PS3 can do them in full 3d models ins tally.

You lost me here... first of technology isn't really a country bound thing anymore and secondly the PS3 is pretty old tech really...

EDIT

Here is the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoMHnKMD_Aw

OK 1 that video is from 3 years ago and two it seems to make no sense and contradict itself a lot... it seems like a news report or something written by someone who doesn't really know what they are talking about.

In one part it says it would take a computer 30 years to do the same thing the PS3 does in a fraction of a second, then later it says the PS3 is roughly 20 times more powerful than the average PC... those numbers don't really add up.

For the price you got a lot of hardware, but all that talk of being better than all the super computers in the world... ummm... no.

EDIT 2 What they are actually saying is the combined result of all folding at home accomplishes in a fraction of a second what it would take any one computer 30 years to do... they are not saying 1 PS3 folding can do something in 1 10 millionth of a second what it would take a PC 30 years to do... if you really believed the PS3 did in a fraction of a second what it takes a PC 30 years to do you clearly don't understand the subject at hand.

 

[FlourescentBlak]

Don't lie you can't wait to take that thing out on the 'ring.

Well it is an RR drivetrain so it must handel like a Porsche...Ya sold me, I'll buy one immediatley.

In RL I owned an 81 Diesel Vanagon and absolutley loved it even though pinning 4th it only went like 110kph. Sadly the fuel injector died and the new one failed and it caught on fire and burned up. I bought it for 3 grand, insured it for 5, and got 7. 1 more year and it would have been a classic. The interior was mint as the previous owner cut pieces of carpet out to cover all the origional so it was like new.

 

[lalaurentide]

There's only 200 premium because they had to premium 50 tracks, GT6 will probably have all premium cars plus some additional circuits.

 

[Zero_angel]

I thought you were from back when you said





You lost me here... first of technology isn't really a country bound thing anymore and secondly the PS3 is pretty old tech really...

EDIT

OK 1 that video is from 3 years ago and two it seems to make no sense and contradict itself a lot... it seems like a news report or something written by someone who doesn't really know what they are talking about.

In one part it says it would take a computer 30 years to do the same thing the PS3 does in a fraction of a second, then later it says the PS3 is roughly 20 times more powerful than the average PC... those numbers don't really add up.

For the price you got a lot of hardware, but all that talk of being better than all the super computers in the world... ummm... no.

Well thats a maybe the only people that know how power full the PS3 really is is the people that made it unless someone can find a away to get all the restrictions off that limit the PS3 and duh a PC is more power full that the PS3 everyone knows that the games are made on a PC then ported to the console.

 

[FlourescentBlak]

GT6 will probably have all premium cars plus some additional circuits.

GT6 better

I can live without more tracks because we have the track generator. I am glad old tracks are returning though.

 

[Zero_angel]

There's only 200 premium because they had to premium 50 tracks, GT6 will probably have all premium cars plus some additional circuits.

There hasn't been anything said about premium tracks

 

[Zero_angel]

GT6 better

I can live without more tracks because we have the track generator. I am glad old tracks are returning though.

If the PS4 is power full enough then is possible i think Sony should let Kaz and his team make the PS4.

 

[Dravonic]

Well thats a maybe the only people that know how power full the PS3 really is is the people that made it unless someone can find a away to get all the restrictions off that limit the PS3 and duh a PC is more power full that the PS3 everyone knows that the games are made on a PC then ported to the console.

The PS3's processor and main memory is still faster than what you'll get in high end PCs nowadays. That's remarkable in itself. Specially considering it's nearly 4 years old tech.

But that's not relevant to this thread's topic in any way.

 

[Zero_angel]

The PS3's processor and main memory is still faster than what you'll get in high end PCs nowadays. That's remarkable in itself. Specially considering it's nearly 4 years old tech.

But that's not relevant to this thread's topic in any way.

Yeah we should focuses on the topic this will only cause another PS3 vs PC.

Well back to the topic bad and ugly on GT5 i find nothing bad nor ugly in the game unless the final built comes whit a bug that will destroy my ENZO before the start of the race.

 

[Jedi2016]

Yeah we should focuses on the topic this will only cause another PS3 vs PC.

Well back to the topic bad and ugly on GT5 i find nothing bad nor ugly in the game unless the final built comes whit a bug that will destroy my ENZO before the start of the race.

Nah, it's the 458 that bursts into flames. The Enzo's fine.

 

[Sum1s2pid]

Yeah we should focuses on the topic this will only cause another PS3 vs PC.

Well back to the topic bad and ugly on GT5 i find nothing bad nor ugly in the game unless the final built comes whit a bug that will destroy my ENZO before the start of the race.

Like GT2's super special awesome infamous disappearing garage glitch?

 

[Zero_angel]

Nah, it's the 458 that bursts into flames. The Enzo's fine.

XD as much as i love that car i still find it funny hopefully they fix it i haven't heard of any 458 burning after the recall and at lest the people that lost there's are getting a new one for free.

 

[Zero_angel]

Like GT2's super special awesome infamous disappearing garage glitch?

Or the one in GT5P were the F1 wen picking the colors if you let it rotate for awhile the colors go inside the car and pixelate into small blocks.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

i think Sony should let Kaz and his team make the PS4.

"PS4 to be released in 2015, 2016, 2017, 80% PS3 parts"



RE: this thread; I see small issues with the newest videos, but honestly, nothing deal-breaking for me. The night video of supercars runing around La Sarthe, for instance... the replay looks "off", to me, like the cars aren't interacting with the tarmac as much as I would expect them to be, like they're floating over it more like an old-gen NFS game. I chalk that up to the recording medium, though. As has been mentioned, there's also some tiny little things you can notice in regards to headlights, or water spray during rain. Again, tiny things.

I'm anxiously awaiting picking up my CE on release day. The latest round of news, specifically the amount of customization (not FM3 levels, but healthily more than any previous GT) has cemented my opinion that this game will almost exclusively reign in my PS3's BD player for a long, long time. I know Kaz does all this with a passion, and the ultimate appeal for me is making the cars feel more and more like my own personal, unique acquisition. I'm going to have an M3, in my particular colour, with my particular wheels, with my particular setup, and the poor thing is going to need a few engine refreshes after the near-constant mileage I'll be ringing up

 

[Devedander]

Well thats a maybe the only people that know how power full the PS3 really is is the people that made it unless someone can find a away to get all the restrictions off that limit the PS3 and duh a PC is more power full that the PS3 everyone knows that the games are made on a PC then ported to the console.

Hey I am no the one who was quoting PS3 as doing in a fraction of a second what would take a PC 30 years to do...

And as for ported games... not always... see MW2

 

[lalaurentide]

There hasn't been anything said about premium tracks

Premium as in "not imported straight from GT4", you are a slow one aren't you, every track in the game will be just as highly detailed as the TGS demo's tracks.

 

[cpp214]

The PS3's processor and main memory is still faster than what you'll get in high end PCs nowadays. That's remarkable in itself. Specially considering it's nearly 4 years old tech.

But that's not relevant to this thread's topic in any way.

An entry-level, Core 2 Duo PC with an 8800GT (a card that's over 2 years old) graphics card would beat a PS3 in terms of overall graphics performance in games. A quad core (or even triple core) AMD or Core i5/i7 PC with an ATI 4850 (another outdated video card) graphics card would CRUSH a PS3 in terms of overall gaming performance. Throw in a better video card and the PS3 would get slaughtered.

You couldn't possibly be more off base with your assessment of the PS3's capabilities against modern PC's...

 

[Zero_angel]

"PS4 to be released in 2015, 2016, 2017, 80% PS3 parts"



RE: this thread; I see small issues with the newest videos, but honestly, nothing deal-breaking for me. The night video of supercars runing around La Sarthe, for instance... the replay looks "off", to me, like the cars aren't interacting with the tarmac as much as I would expect them to be, like they're floating over it more like an old-gen NFS game. I chalk that up to the recording medium, though. As has been mentioned, there's also some tiny little things you can notice in regards to headlights, or water spray during rain. Again, tiny things.

I'm anxiously awaiting picking up my CE on release day. The latest round of news, specifically the amount of customization (not FM3 levels, but healthily more than any previous GT) has cemented my opinion that this game will almost exclusively reign in my PS3's BD player for a long, long time. I know Kaz does all this with a passion, and the ultimate appeal for me is making the cars feel more and more like my own personal, unique acquisition. I'm going to have an M3, in my particular colour, with my particular wheels, with my particular setup, and the poor thing is going to need a few engine refreshes after the near-constant mileage I'll be ringing up

Maybe thats cause is old code mix whit new one im sure it will be fix and im picking my CE too heck im getting to game stop at 8am then wait till 9am unless they do the midnight release only bad thing is i got class that day and i get home at 3pm -_- it sucks

Hey I am no the one who was quoting PS3 as doing in a fraction of a second what would take a PC 30 years to do...

And as for ported games... not always... see MW2

Hey i only said what the guy whit the beard said XD

Premium as in "not imported straight from GT4", you are a slow one aren't you, every track in the game will be just as highly detailed as the TGS demo's tracks.

Yeah but we saw there all detail to the fullest so there is no premium cause there all the same. But if you found a standard track please post a pic or the article were you read/saw it.

 

[Dravonic]

An entry-level, Core 2 Duo PC with an 8800GT graphics card would beat a PS3 in terms of overall graphics performance in games. A quad core (or even triple core) AMD or Core i5/i7 PC with an ATI 4850 graphics card would CRUSH a PS3 in terms of overall gaming performance. Throw in a better video card and the PS3 would get slaughtered.

You couldn't possibly be more off base with your assessment of the PS3's capabilities against modern PC's...

Oh well... That's why I hate engaging in off topic discussions. They can easily get out of hand.

What I said is, the processor is still faster than the high end ones you can buy today, and it is. I also said the main memory is faster than the one in high end PCs, and it is.

That doesn't mean PCs can't achieve better graphics. I have a PC which is able to deliver graphics the PS3 can't even dream of. However, it's processor and main memory is slower than the ones in my PS3. The reason why PCs deliver better graphics is the graphics processor, video card if you will, in PCs nowadays are a lot faster than the one present in PS3s.

 

[iAMgt5]

my biggest complaint about the game so far? i don't have it

but the one thing i do really like that's game-related ... the community. the forza 3 community just generally sucks. it's a bunch of posers who seem to want to rip into each other for no reason or for the sake of looking better. i was appalled by how vicious people were in the forums. not a fun experience at all.

it's good to see people able to criticize a game (although not released yet) and not be ripped apart. i made a thread like this on forza's forums and got my posting privileges revoked, well not revoked, but any time i made a post, it needed to be approved by a mod. WTF?

i guess it comes down to a simple logic. forza THREE vs gran turismo FIVE.

there's maturity both in the GT series and in its community. i hope to keep my experiences here as receptive as they've been.

but on topic, everything I've seen about the game i've loved so far, and actually haven't even noticed any of the issues mentioned. i'm sure now that i'm privy of them i'll give them a double glance. but right now, we're able to pick apart a game simply because that's the only exposure we've had to it. when i'm racing, i won't notice (or care for) the spread of my headlights or that the dashboard isn't lit up like I'd like.

maybe it's also because i'm a newcomer to this series. i've only played gt5rologue, no GT before that. and sure, we shouldn't be forgiving to a game. if we were ever-forgiving, issues wouldn't be noticed and improvements wouldn't be made.

so i think a thread such as this is only beneficial, as long as it's kept mature.

 

[Sephy]

my biggest complaint about the game so far? i don't have it

but the one thing i do really like that's game-related ... the community. the forza 3 community just generally sucks. it's a bunch of posers who seem to want to rip into each other for no reason or for the sake of looking better. i was appalled by how vicious people were in the forums. not a fun experience at all.

it's good to see people able to criticize a game (although not released yet) and not be ripped apart. i made a thread like this on forza's forums and got my posting privileges revoked, well not revoked, but any time i made a post, it needed to be approved by a mod. WTF?

i guess it comes down to a simple logic. forza THREE vs gran turismo FIVE.

there's maturity both in the GT series and in its community. i hope to keep my experiences here as receptive as they've been.

but on topic, everything I've seen about the game i've loved so far, and actually haven't even noticed any of the issues mentioned. i'm sure now that i'm privy of them i'll give them a double glance. but right now, we're able to pick apart a game simply because that's the only exposure we've had to it. when i'm racing, i won't notice (or care for) the spread of my headlights or that the dashboard isn't lit up like I'd like.

maybe it's also because i'm a newcomer to this series. i've only played gt5rologue, no GT before that. and sure, we shouldn't be forgiving to a game. if we were ever-forgiving, issues wouldn't be noticed and improvements wouldn't be made.

so i think a thread such as this is only beneficial, as long as it's kept mature.

Good post. I for one can't wait to do some fun clean races with you guys.

Also as far as nitpicking goes, I think everyone is extremely happy with how this game is turning out and by picking it apart we are just passing time until we can get our greedy hands on it.

 

[Devedander]

Hey i only said what the guy whit the beard said XD

No.... you used what he said in place of actual understanding of the subject to base the rest of your claims off of... pretty significant difference

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Maybe thats cause is old code mix whit new one im sure it will be fix and im picking my CE too heck im getting to game stop at 8am then wait till 9am unless they do the midnight release only bad thing is i got class that day and i get home at 3pm -_- it sucks

3 things:

1 - "Old code mix with new one" is painfully poor.

2 - Use proper sentences.

3 - Don't triple-post.

Just telling you before you hear it from a mod.

 

[cpp214]

Oh well... That's why I hate engaging in off topic discussions. They can easily get out of hand.

What I said is, the processor is still faster than the high end ones you can buy today, and it is. I also said the main memory is faster than the one in high end PCs, and it is.

That doesn't mean PCs can't achieve better graphics. I have a PC which is able to deliver graphics the PS3 can't even dream of. However, it's processor and main memory is slower than the ones in my PS3. The reason why PCs deliver better graphics is the graphics processor, video card if you will, in PCs nowadays are a lot faster than the one present in PS3s.

No on both counts. The cell processor is NOT faster than high end PC processors and hasn't been since the top of the line core i7's were introduced. And the main memory is NOT faster than high end PC GPU memory. IIRC the PS3 has 256MB of DDR2 memory. Modern mid-level gaming cards come with 1GB of DDR5 memory standard. This may be off topic, but you are stating things as fact that are obviously wrong. So I am going to call you on it.